• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Brexit Deal Reached

Chagos said:
He's become obsessed with his Oct-31 promise.

As if it made any difference whether it's then or Nov-10 or Dec-24.

S'long as parliament has had ample opportunity to look at the thing and, if necessary, table and vote whatever addendum it sees fit.

The EU are not going to obstruct an extension and BoJO can't call a snap election on account of not having the numbers, so he'll just have to spin his failure of today on delivering into parliament having prevented him.

That sells with his fans anyway.
Click to expand...

Tonight is really interesting, in my view it opens the way to a customs union agreement at the end. BoJo and the Brexiteers can claim they got Brexit done and the Remain side can see that we are still aligned to our biggest market.

October 31st is BoJo's very last opportunity for a no-deal. He's lost the DUP unless he offers vast amounts of money and the opposition will not grant him an election - they probably will keep BoJo in power as a weak Prime Minister with a minority Govt unable to make huge changes or direction plans as he doesn't have the numbers to support him.

He gets to claim "win," as does the Remain side - the public that have been asking "let's just get this over" gets to think we have gotten it done.

Strangely, this reminds me of the scene in "Laurence of Arabia" at the end when the civil servants usher the men of war out so they can quietly discuss the final carve up.
 
Chagos said:
He's become obsessed with his Oct-31 promise.

As if it made any difference whether it's then or Nov-10 or Dec-24.

S'long as parliament has had ample opportunity to look at the thing and, if necessary, table and vote whatever addendum it sees fit.

The EU are not going to obstruct an extension and BoJO can't call a snap election on account of not having the numbers, so he'll just have to spin his failure of today on delivering into parliament having prevented him.

That sells with his fans anyway.
Click to expand...

He has become obsessed because either he or/and his Rees-Moggers have money bet on that date.. They could be losing billions.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Tonight is really interesting, in my view it opens the way to a customs union agreement at the end. BoJo and the Brexiteers can claim they got Brexit done and the Remain side can see that we are still aligned to our biggest market.

October 31st is BoJo's very last opportunity for a no-deal. He's lost the DUP unless he offers vast amounts of money and the opposition will not grant him an election - they probably will keep BoJo in power as a weak Prime Minister with a minority Govt unable to make huge changes or direction plans as he doesn't have the numbers to support him.

He gets to claim "win," as does the Remain side - the public that have been asking "let's just get this over" gets to think we have gotten it done.

Strangely, this reminds me of the scene in "Laurence of Arabia" at the end when the civil servants usher the men of war out so they can quietly discuss the final carve up.
Click to expand...
Me it reminds of the second but last scene of Ground Hog Day where only a look at my watch encouraged me to believe that the loop wouldn't go on forever.

As to the DUP, he'd probably have to re-criminalize both abortion and SSM in N.Ireland by now to gain any favour with that lot.

As to further proceedings, I wouldn't put it past the pouting child to try and convince the EU not to grant an extension on grounds of the threat of no-deal (towards parliament) still potentially enabling the deal to be pushed thru.

That would constitute projecting his own stupidity onto the EU leaders of course, but narcissistic little children are prone to do that.

From proroguing parliament to sacking his own, there isn't a thing he's so far not bungled. So nothing surprises me any more.

Of course the main worry that caused him to take the ball home with him today is that the deal that found "embracement" will be so limpeted with amendments by the time things are thru, that it won't be HIS deal anymore at all. He doesn't trust the others and rightly so. Just as much as they don't trust him, just as rightly so.
 
PeteEU said:
He has become obsessed because either he or/and his Rees-Moggers have money bet on that date.. They could be losing billions.
Click to expand...
Yeah, they must have already made a tidy fistful in the pound's roller coast last week.
 
Boris Got his deal from the EU and got it passed which is far more than anybody else and did so in a lot less time. And the poor Germans didn't think it could be done :boohoo:

Now if he can get the EU not to extend to January in order to force a decision on the time table, he will have done what he set out to do.
 
Drawdown said:
Boris Got his deal from the EU and got it passed which is far more than anybody else and did so in a lot less time. And the poor Germans didn't think it could be done :boohoo:

Now if he can get the EU not to extend to January in order to force a decision on the time table, he will have done what he set out to do.
Click to expand...
1) it has not been done yet. A majority agreed in principle to the deal. Once they actually read the deal and get the impact assessments then well...the final passage might not be as easy.
2) The UK had a deal before and could not get it done.
3) why bring up the Germans? What do they have to do with the failed right wing political elite in the UK?

Stop pushing blame on Germans, French or who ever you fancy. The blame on all of this is with Farage, Rees-Mog, Gove and Boris and thier Putin linked billionaire friends.

Sent from my Honor 8X
 
PeteEU said:
1) it has not been done yet. A majority agreed in principle to the deal. Once they actually read the deal and get the impact assessments then well...the final passage might not be as easy.
2) The UK had a deal before and could not get it done.
3) why bring up the Germans? What do they have to do with the failed right wing political elite in the UK?

Stop pushing blame on Germans, French or who ever you fancy. The blame on all of this is with Farage, Rees-Mog, Gove and Boris and thier Putin linked billionaire friends.

Sent from my Honor 8X
Click to expand...

Ever noticed how every single Brexit argument comes down to "I hate immigrants" and "I hate the EU"?
 
Phys251 said:
Ever noticed how every single Brexit argument comes down to "I hate immigrants" and "I hate the EU"?
Click to expand...

It's often "fascist EU" - which always makes me laugh. The more ardently someone tries to claim fascist / fascism the inverse of basic intelligence and ability to understand complex situations.

I don't have a problem with those who truly believe Brexit will allow the UK to develop an independent trade path - it's the morons who then claimed that Brexit would be followed by le Pen and Wilders leading their nations out of the EU or the imminent collapse of the EU.
 
Drawdown said:
Boris Got his deal from the EU and got it passed which is far more than anybody else and did so in a lot less time. And the poor Germans didn't think it could be done :boohoo:

Now if he can get the EU not to extend to January in order to force a decision on the time table, he will have done what he set out to do.
Click to expand...
That all your entries here are governed by extreme ignorance on what you spout over, is by now common knowledge.

Just as much as the fact that you substitute intelligent appraisal by what appear to be lies of your own making.
 
Phys251 said:
Ever noticed how every single Brexit argument comes down to "I hate immigrants" and "I hate the EU"?
Click to expand...
It's all emotion and no rational thinking based on fact. In view of which I wouldn't speak of "argument".
 
Rogue Valley said:
No. There's no Trump Devotion Syndrome here in this thread.

Try down the hall and to the far right -------------------->>
Click to expand...


Recognizing great results is not the result of a syndrome. It's the result of a dispassionate review of real world outcomes.

The "D" in TDR denotes "DERANGEMENT" and, brother, you got it!
 
PoS said:
The German and Ukrainian agents in this forum tried so hard to paint a picture of Boris as being a clown, yet he succeeds. Well done, Boris.
Click to expand...

The only reason he got his crap deal is by capitulating on a border down the sea. Something he's previously said was unthinkable.
 
Aristaeus said:
The only reason he got his crap deal is by capitulating on a border down the sea. Something he's previously said was unthinkable.
Click to expand...
Yeah, get rid of the backstop by replacing it with a frontstop.

Sheer genius.:roll:
 
code1211 said:
Recognizing great results is not the result of a syndrome. It's the result of a dispassionate review of real world outcomes.

The "D" in TDR denotes "DERANGEMENT" and, brother, you got it!
Click to expand...

Trump-deranged Republicans? ;)
 
It is admittedly good to see another country's legislators know well enough to put down a Trump copy like similar idiot/liar Boris. They did not put up with him, at all.
 
Phys251 said:
Trump-deranged Republicans? ;)
Click to expand...

The possibilities are endless.

When the economy is going this well, we all have plenty of time for recreational thinking!

Yet ANOTHER benefit of the Trump economy! :)
 
code1211 said:
The possibilities are endless.

When the economy is going this well, we all have plenty of time for recreational thinking!

Yet ANOTHER benefit of the Trump economy! :)
Click to expand...

You mean the stock market that has bounced around like a pinball since January 2018, a skyrocketing deficit, and a slumping manufacturing sector? No thanks. I want the Obama economy back. :thumbs:
 
code1211 said:
The possibilities are endless.

When the economy is going this well, we all have plenty of time for recreational thinking!

Yet ANOTHER benefit of the Trump economy! :)
Click to expand...

Phys251 said:
You mean the stock market that has bounced around like a pinball since January 2018, a skyrocketing deficit, and a slumping manufacturing sector? No thanks. I want the Obama economy back. :thumbs:
Click to expand...

I really ought to get my eyes tested again.

I'm certain that I clicked on a Brexit thread in the Europe section.... Silly me!
 
code1211 said:
Recognizing great results is not the result of a syndrome. It's the result of a dispassionate review of real world outcomes.

The "D" in TDR denotes "DERANGEMENT" and, brother, you got it!
Click to expand...

The only thing deranged around here are your deranged posts.
 
danielpalos said:
why not negotiate a better deal with the Union?
Click to expand...

Bozo's own bean counters reckon his great Brexit deal will cost every British family £2,000 a year. I'd rather keep the benefits of remaining a European.
Pink passport and all.
 
Last edited:
Manc Skipper said:
Bozo's own bean counters reckon his great Brexit deal will cost every British family £2,000 a year. I'd rather keep the benefits of remaining a European.
Pink passport and all.
Click to expand...

We are having a similar problem. We have a Commerce Clause but the right wing refuses to improve our profit position.
 
Snazzy said:
I really ought to get my eyes tested again.

I'm certain that I clicked on a Brexit thread in the Europe section.... Silly me!
Click to expand...

Sorry.

A poster observed that the Brits made an ill informed choice on Brexit.

I observed sarcastically that Democracy sucks.

Democrat-Socialists are easily triggered and immediately linked democracy to Hitler and their deranged minds reflexively pushed them from Hitler to Trump.

I'll go with the flow and discuss the topic(s) presented in the post(s) to which I respond.

Like rabid racists who see the entire world only through the prism of race, there are those that see the entire world only through the prism of Trump. It is Called Trump Derangement Syndrome. It controls their thinking and their lives.

It's really a little sad.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom