Brexit Deal Reached

[Drawdown]

A look at history shows us that nationalism led to two world wars. That is why Brexit has no future. Please explain why nation-states have no future in the European Union.Union has no future.

The nation states will necessarily dissolve as the EU matures and Brexit isn't about evil nationalism. It is about the sovereignty of the UK not to be digested in the stomach acid of the EU and Germany.

 

[PoS]

With Juncker having said exactly the same thing wrt May, I guess my assessment of the Russian trolls failing to prevent themselves from looking like fools is spot on.

But thanks for supporting that anyway.

There is a big difference- the Irish backstop is gone- something you utterly failed to mention. Looks like the real fool has been exposed alright. Well done. :mrgreen:

 

[Chagos]

There is a big difference- the Irish backstop is gone- something you utterly failed to mention. Looks like the real fool has been exposed alright. Well done. :mrgreen:

I'm getting bored with you as is inevitable after a short time, so I'll end on calling your supposition that what has so far surfaced in this deal as being any better for the N.I. unionists, to be utterly stupid.

Yeah, real fools get exposed all the time, as I can see and as you can clearly not, most often by their own doing.

 

[Drawdown]

There is a big difference- the Irish backstop is gone- something you utterly failed to mention. Looks like the real fool has been exposed alright. Well done. :mrgreen:

Some people also proclaimed there wouldn't be any deal, but we shouldn't pick on the soon to be unemployed. Not sporting.

 

[Manc Skipper]

There is a big difference- the Irish backstop is gone- something you utterly failed to mention. Looks like the real fool has been exposed alright. Well done. :mrgreen:

At the cost of moving the border between England and Northern Ireland. It's an impossible plan to get passed. He's in a worse place than May.

 

[PoS]

I'm getting bored with you as is inevitable after a short time, so I'll end on calling your supposition that what has so far surfaced in this deal as being any better for the N.I. unionists, to be utterly stupid.

Yeah, real fools get exposed all the time, as I can see and as you can clearly not, most often by their own doing.

As if you know what the NI Unionists think lol. Your amateurish opinion matters not. What matters is that the UK is free to pursue their own trade deals. I know you wanted to keep the German hegemony intact but its not gonna happen. Better luck next time, friend. :mrgreen:

Some people also proclaimed there wouldn't be any deal, but we shouldn't pick on the soon to be unemployed. Not sporting.

LOL yeah, thuggish scaremonger tactics. But then again Germans arent known for their sense of humor or common sense period. :lol:

 

[danielpalos]

Poor England. If 20th century history teaches us anything, its that there is no future in nationalism.

Let's see how it plays out. The Irish can always ask for better rates than the English; Union Rates!

 

[Chagos]

At the cost of moving the border between England and Northern Ireland. It's an impossible plan to get passed. He's in a worse place than May.

Not much sense in pointing the blind to look at the obvious.

The DUP is already shooting the whole thing down (we'll have to see Saturday for more) on account of an assembly majority to vote on it in future and not the DUP all on its own.

Can't say I blame them, looking at it from their vantage.

 

[Chagos]

LOL yeah, thuggish scaremonger tactics. But then again Germans arent known for their sense of humor or common sense period. :lol:

while nobody is gonna accuse you (Russian agent or not) of being known for either your spelling or your grammar.:2razz:

The rest of your above post being composed of your usual inane garbage, seeing how you show to be totally ignorant of the N. Irish unionists having already expressed what they think.

 

[Drawdown]

As if you know what the NI Unionists think lol. Your amateurish opinion matters not. What matters is that the UK is free to pursue their own trade deals. I know you wanted to keep the German hegemony intact but its not gonna happen. Better luck next time, friend. :mrgreen:



LOL yeah, thuggish scaremonger tactics. But then again Germans arent known for their sense of humor or common sense period. :lol:

YOU KNOW NOTHING!!!!!!!! :lamo

There was always going to be some sort of 11th hour 45th minute deal. The EU doesn't do anything until then. Macron was signaling for awhile it was probably coming. Merkel is a lame duck at this point so her trembling no no no really was never a factor.

Boris just has to sweeten the pot for DUP or bring over some Labour hold outs. If he can't, Johnson gets his election and the same deal Brexit in January or there is a no deal Brexit on the 31st. It is the end of the remainers either way.

 

[Snazzy]

Not much sense in pointing the blind to look at the obvious.

The DUP is already shooting the whole thing down (we'll have to see Saturday for more) on account of an assembly majority to vote on it in future and not the DUP all on its own.

Can't say I blame them, looking at it from their vantage.

Everybody has their price, so I'm wondering if the DUP are perhaps holding out for some kind of uber-concession from Westminster, or, if they're genuinely looking to block the deal, would they accept some kind of uber-concession from Westminster?

One can only imagine the secret handshakes in motion over the next 48 hours!

 

[Snazzy]

The nation states will necessarily dissolve as the EU matures and Brexit isn't about evil nationalism. It is about the sovereignty of the UK not to be digested in the stomach acid of the EU and Germany.

Why do you mention the two (EU, Germany) separately?

Also, surely Germany's sovereignty will also have to be relinquished along the way - if that's the way the EU is heading.

 

[PoS]

while nobody is gonna accuse you (Russian agent or not) of being known for either your spelling or your grammar.:2razz:

The rest of your above post being composed of your usual inane garbage, seeing how you show to be totally ignorant of the N. Irish unionists having already expressed what they think.

This gives the term grammar Nazi a whole new meaning. :lol:


Sorry, Germans dont speak for the Unionists no matter how much your boss Merkel thinks. Run along now.

 

[PeteEU]

YOU KNOW NOTHING!!!!!!!! :lamo

There was always going to be some sort of 11th hour 45th minute deal. The EU doesn't do anything until then. Macron was signaling for awhile it was probably coming. Merkel is a lame duck at this point so her trembling no no no really was never a factor.

Boris just has to sweeten the pot for DUP or bring over some Labour hold outs. If he can't, Johnson gets his election and the same deal Brexit in January or there is a no deal Brexit on the 31st. It is the end of the remainers either way.

Err the EU proposed this 3 years ago.....

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[Drawdown]

Why do you mention the two (EU, Germany) separately?

Also, surely Germany's sovereignty will also have to be relinquished along the way - if that's the way the EU is heading.

German banks own the EU

 

[PeteEU]

German banks own the EU

God..... There is ONE ****ing German bank in the top 10 of EU banks. There are 3 British and 4 French banks plus a Dutch and a Spanish.

Sent from my Honor 8X

 

[Chagos]

German banks own the EU

:lamo:lamo:lamo

The stupidity of your statements clearly knows no limits.

 

[Chagos]

Sorry, Germans dont speak for the Unionists no matter how much your boss Merkel thinks. Run along now.

Unionists speak for the Unionists and you'd by now have read that unless your reading is as bad as your writing.

 

[Chagos]

Everybody has their price, so I'm wondering if the DUP are perhaps holding out for some kind of uber-concession from Westminster, or, if they're genuinely looking to block the deal, would they accept some kind of uber-concession from Westminster?

One can only imagine the secret handshakes in motion over the next 48 hours!

Well, that the DUP is bribe-able is no secret. Not talking about accepting bribes on a personal level but on behalf of N.I. so as to look good and have better chances in elections than they currently have.

Thing for them is that if they agree to a majority of the Assembly deciding over future vetos, they practically shaft themselves. So whatever concession (read money), it'll have to be lot bigger than what May gave them.

Nothing can be ruled out and I personally wish this deal would now go thru. Not because I think it's any good (no Brexit deal will be) but because it would finally end this agony over the withdrawal. Because, once done, that's where the real work starts that has already been delayed for so long.

 

[Chagos]

Err the EU proposed this 3 years ago.....

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don't confuse him with facts.

 

[PeteEU]

don't confuse him with facts.

And the best news of the day... Farage is now calling for staying in the EU... for wee bit more.

 

[PoS]

Unionists speak for the Unionists and you'd by now have read that unless your reading is as bad as your writing.

Yup, they do, and nothing's been decided as of yet. Even if the DUP doesnt agree, Boris has got plenty of options to get things done. So your whining is just that... whining.

 

[Chagos]

And the best news of the day... Farage is now calling for staying in the EU... for wee bit more.

Sure.

On one hand it would play into his hands (or he'd like it to) if BoJo fails to deliver on his promise of out by Oct-31, on the other some more months of salary in Brussels (Strasbourg) are not to be spat upon.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

With Labour, the SNP, the LibDems and the DUP all having voiced that they won't support the deal, only Saturday will tell whether there'll be Ground Hog Day 4.0 or not.

I'm actually suspecting this time Theresa May's deal will get through. Fourth time lucky?

I'm curious how the DUP will see this over the next few days - BoJo clearly is prepared to throw Northern Ireland's protestants under his big red bus for the deal at any cost. In 1973, Australia, Canada and New Zealand felt the UK abandoned them to join the EU and maybe the protestants will see that England is not interested in the idea of the UK if Brexit is to be lost. Maybe, just maybe, the protestants will start to look at either relocating to the mainland UK to avoid becoming part of Eire OR they may choose to stay, seek reconciliation and throw in with Eire.

Difficult choice awaits them, either way.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

~ Either way, he wins politically.

How? Nigel Farage and the DUP have already stated they are against this "new" deal and it is very clearly something the EU are for.

The German and Ukrainian agents in this forum tried so hard to paint a picture of Boris as being a clown, yet he succeeds. Well done, Boris.

That's a stupid and vapid comment I'm afraid. Boris has not "succeeded" - he's simply presented Theresa May and the EU's deal from 3 years ago. Any German and Ukrainian "agents" would welcome this deal as it's exactly the one that the EU asked for 3 years ago.