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[oneworld2]

OMFG....

Jews worked with the Nazi government to prevent Jews from suffering under Nazi rule.

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem joined hands with the Nazis in their persecution of the Jews....

Yeah.... Same, same.

Obviously that anti Arab/Palestinian bigotry is still alive and kicking. As if it ever really goes away , nonetheless let's decipher the bais in the above and phrase it how it should be framed.

" Jews worked with the Nazi government to prevent Jews from suffering under Nazi rule."

Some Zionists worked with the Nazis to help those under Nazi rule for sure , they also worked with them so they would send them to Palestine in particular to help them with the dream of creating the Jewish state. No problem with that

But look how that bias kicks in when it comes to the Arabs/Palestinians............dramatic difference despite the goal being more or less the same........... the realisation of a homeland for their people

"The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem joined hands with the Nazis in their persecution of the Jews...."

People will or should notice that there is NO MENTION that the Mufti had been a long time activist/fighter for the realisation of a state of their own and autonomy for the Palestinian Arabs desperate to throw off British rule. According to your biased commentary in the abscence of any mention of his own nationalist aspirations he " joined hands with the Nazis" presumeably because he just wanted to join in on the "persecution of the Jews"

Because that's what you want people to believe with all of this ignorant and selective nonsense

He wanted to influence/work with the Nazis for the very same reasons some of the Jewish people in Palestine wanted to.............. to help realize a nation state of their own for their own people. People should note too that there is NO MENTION that his willingness to try to work with Nazis might have to do with ........ Palestinians suffering under British rule, recall this is just after the British ruthless suppression of the Palestinian revolt of 1936-39

So a quick recap again

Palestinians rip out their own plumbing and prefer to try to kill Israelis with it even though the sewage situation might kill them

A Palestinian leader of the pre state British Mandate period wasn't motivated by a wish to see a national home for his people , he must have just wanted to join hands with Nazis so as to stick it to the Jews.

Once more we see lies and ommisions colouring your commentary so as to create a picture of the sub human maniacal Palestinian opposite the caring Jew

The more truthful picture is that some Jews and some Palestinians sought to use influence/relations with the Nazis in order to bolster their chances of a state of their own and end the suffering of their people........... but that's no good for the image you wish to promote that is outlined above so, you use baseless smears , innuendo and factual ommisions with which to try to concoct the reality you prefer people to see in true style of diehard racism

" OMFG ".............. indeed !! At least you are consistant which makes debuking it easier and more compelling to the others here

 

[oneworld2]

Yes. Someone must counter the obvious lies of a propagandist.

What lies are you on about ? Maybe you can actually make a list instead of just accusing ?

 

[LowDown]

This is becoming downright ****ing scary. Netanyahu better lose his election or there's going to be WW3. For the first time in Israel's history, Netanyahu goes into this election while under criminal investigation for briber and corruption. Who would vote for a man like that?? Oh...the U.S. would, never mind.

I think that people will be shocked if Netanyahu loses and the winners have a foreign policy identical to his. Because that's what will happen.

 

[Fledermaus]

Obviously that anti Arab/Palestinian bigotry is still alive and kicking. As if it ever really goes away , nonetheless let's decipher the bais in the above and phrase it how it should be framed.

" Jews worked with the Nazi government to prevent Jews from suffering under Nazi rule."

Some Zionists worked with the Nazis to help those under Nazi rule for sure , they also worked with them so they would send them to Palestine in particular to help them with the dream of creating the Jewish state. No problem with that

But look how that bias kicks in when it comes to the Arabs/Palestinians............dramatic difference despite the goal being more or less the same........... the realisation of a homeland for their people

"The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem joined hands with the Nazis in their persecution of the Jews...."

People will or should notice that there is NO MENTION that the Mufti had been a long time activist/fighter for the realisation of a state of their own and autonomy for the Palestinian Arabs desperate to throw off British rule. According to your biased commentary in the abscence of any mention of his own nationalist aspirations he " joined hands with the Nazis" presumeably because he just wanted to join in on the "persecution of the Jews"

Because that's what you want people to believe with all of this ignorant and selective nonsense

He wanted to influence/work with the Nazis for the very same reasons some of the Jewish people in Palestine wanted to.............. to help realize a nation state of their own for their own people. People should note too that there is NO MENTION that his willingness to try to work with Nazis might have to do with ........ Palestinians suffering under British rule, recall this is just after the British ruthless suppression of the Palestinian revolt of 1936-39

So a quick recap again

Palestinians rip out their own plumbing and prefer to try to kill Israelis with it even though the sewage situation might kill them

A Palestinian leader of the pre state British Mandate period wasn't motivated by a wish to see a national home for his people , he must have just wanted to join hands with Nazis so as to stick it to the Jews.

Once more we see lies and ommisions colouring your commentary so as to create a picture of the sub human maniacal Palestinian opposite the caring Jew

The more truthful picture is that some Jews and some Palestinians sought to use influence/relations with the Nazis in order to bolster their chances of a state of their own and end the suffering of their people........... but that's no good for the image you wish to promote that is outlined above so, you use baseless smears , innuendo and factual ommisions with which to try to concoct the reality you prefer people to see in true style of diehard racism

" OMFG ".............. indeed !! At least you are consistant which makes debuking it easier and more compelling to the others here

Wow... A lot of typing.

Much of it prattling about things that have nothing to do with the discussion...

Yes, the Mufti was agitating for Arab Liebensraum a la Hitler his BFF.

He partnered with the Nazis not only for an Arab State but also for an Arab Final Solution.

You appear not to appreciate the gravity of that fact.

He helped recruit Nazi Waffen SS troops for God's sake...

 

[oneworld2]

Again, not even close.

The Mufti was exactly what the commentator said he was. He did the things the commentator said he did. The only question is how influential he was. Whether he caused the nazis to adopt the final solution or was just a loud cheerleader who tried to have it extended to the middle east while working to implement it in Europe is a matter of degree. I think the seeds were planted in the Germans’ rabid antisemitism and the Germans’ conduct in Africa in WW1, but that’s just me.

Having said that, nothing in the least allows for a blood libel to be an analogous comparison. It is not just embellished (the worst that poster cam be accused of), it is entirely false and malicious. I assume you know this and are just being purposely obtuse, but I’ve been surprised before so figured I would spell it out.


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The Mufti did what some Jewish people did during the same period.............. tried to influence/use relations with the Nazis so as to better set in place the national homeland for the people which is what they were working towards.

The " commentator " FAILED to mention this crucial aspect thus leading the reader to believe that his workings with the Nazis were due to wanting to get in on the sticking it to/persecution of the Jews. So yes the sentiments I said inform their opinions and actions are the same or similar. It is involved with spreading lies, misrepresentations and crucial factual omissions in the hope of demonizing the targeted group in the most heinous ways possible

So I will spell it out for you too

Did I expect you to object to the posters obviously biased and bigoted framing of events ? Not at all. Did I expect you to qualify that commentary with a mentioning of the Muftis long time/lifelong nationalistic ambitions for autonomy for the Palestinians ? Not at all. You will support it , as you have done here , because deep down you hold the same/similar views and also have a history of wanting to demonize the Palestinians/Arabs, you just choose to be cute about it ( which is okay too )

 

[OldFatGuy]

Obviously that anti Arab/Palestinian bigotry is still alive and kicking. As if it ever really goes away , nonetheless let's decipher the bais in the above and phrase it how it should be framed.

Obviously a history inclusive of indiscriminate bombings and murder of civilians, throwing a wheel chair bound man into the seas to die, hijackings, rocket attacks, murdering children, lies and more lies, do not enter your vision for as sources of bias, fomentation of backlash hate.

 

[oneworld2]

Wow... A lot of typing.

Much of it prattling about things that have nothing to do with the discussion...

Yes, the Mufti was agitating for Arab Liebensraum a la Hitler his BFF.

He partnered with the Nazis not only for an Arab State but also for an Arab Final Solution.

You appear not to appreciate the gravity of that fact.

He helped recruit Nazi Waffen SS troops for God's sake...

I could have typed 10 times that but I didn't need to in outlining the bigoted and biased presentation you made.

You have been FORCED to concede that the Muftis flirting with the Nazis was down to his wishes for Arab/Palesinian autonomy and fredom from British French rule . BUT you are then FORCED to liken that view , FALSELY , with the Nazi Leibensraum . You just can't help yourself in your attempts to redefine/rename events so as to tie the Arab mentality/wishes with German/Nazi antisemtisim.

The Mufti wanted pan Arab state union/autonomy with himself as the leader which is completely different from the colonizing nature of Leibensraum and there was no " Arab Final Solution " , he just wanted the Axis powers to reverse the proposed Jewish state in Palestine and not send anymore Jewish people over so he could better achieve the above. Your inaccurate and rabidly biased phrasing cannot be classed as an accident here , it just follows the same anti Palestinian/Arab bigotry that infests your commentary

Yep he was intrumental in creating military units that would fight alongside the Nazi war machine but he was aware that during the Arab Revolt in Palestine 1936-39 the Jews had fought with the British to help suppress it. In fact the similarities are completely obvious to any that don't harbour completely irrational and biased views based on their own complete prejudice.

Once again we see that infamous double standard being applied

A Palestiinan helps to organize fighters for those suppressing Jews in their own country and elsewhere and that's awful BUT Jews in Palestine help to organize fighters to help those in suppressing Palestinians and that is fine

This is the reality of your commentary........... highly selective , rife with omissions , rife with baseless slurs , littered with double standards and aimed at smearing the one party whilst whitewashing the other

The Haganah (Hebrew for "defence"), a Jewish paramilitary organisation, actively supported British efforts to suppress the uprising, which reached 10,000 Arab fighters at their peak during the summer and fall of 1938. Although the British administration did not officially recognise the Haganah, the British security forces cooperated with it by forming the Jewish Settlement Police, Jewish Supernumerary Police, and Special Night Squads. The Special Night Squads engaged in activities described by colonial administrator Sir Hugh Foot, as 'extreme and cruel' involving torture, whipping, abuse and execution of Arabs.[1]

1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine - Wikipedia

 

[oneworld2]

Won’t work. In their world Gaza is still controlled by Israel and only Israel, notwithstanding that Israel does not have people there, does not control all of its borders, and quite clearly has no control over their government.

The web of lies and distortions that permeates their discourse on Israel is so pervasive and so pathological that they genuinely cannot see reality even when it is right in front of them.


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We all inhabit the same world and your view that you are the one that has it all nailed down is risible. People rightly hold that Israel still controls the lives of Gazans for a whole host of valid reasons and the real " distortion " is presented by the denials of that by people like yourself.

So Egypt is the minor callaborator , it doesn't alter the degree of control Israel exerts over all aspects of Gazan life and death. If you move the prison gaurds out of the prison and on to the perimeter fence you STILL effectively control those left inside. That's not a distortion , it's actually the reality.

 

[CJ 2.0]

The Mufti did what some Jewish people did during the same period.............. tried to influence/use relations with the Nazis so as to better set in place the national homeland for the people which is what they were working towards.

The " commentator " FAILED to mention this crucial aspect thus leading the reader to believe that his workings with the Nazis were due to wanting to get in on the sticking it to/persecution of the Jews. So yes the sentiments I said inform their opinions and actions are the same or similar. It is involved with spreading lies, misrepresentations and crucial factual omissions in the hope of demonizing the targeted group in the most heinous ways possible

So I will spell it out for you too

Did I expect you to object to the posters obviously biased and bigoted framing of events ? Not at all. Did I expect you to qualify that commentary with a mentioning of the Muftis long time/lifelong nationalistic ambitions for autonomy for the Palestinians ? Not at all. You will support it , as you have done here , because deep down you hold the same/similar views and also have a history of wanting to demonize the Palestinians/Arabs, you just choose to be cute about it ( which is okay too )

Lol. So you are cool with genocide as a legitimate tool to achieve national objectives?

And to call him out on it but give him more credit than he is due in causing it is equivalent to the blood libel?

Keep going man. This is getting good...


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[oneworld2]

Obviously a history inclusive of indiscriminate bombings and murder of civilians, throwing a wheel chair bound man into the seas to die, hijackings, rocket attacks, murdering children, lies and more lies, do not enter your vision for as sources of bias, fomentation of backlash hate.

Both sides are guilty of it so your point is just the latest example of your own obvious bias

Still waiting for the list regarding the " lies " you claim I have come up with

:roll:

 

[Fledermaus]

You have been FORCED to concede that the Muftis flirting with the Nazis...

"FORCED to concede" = Laughable nonsense.

The Grand Mufti aided and abetted Nazi Germany in their subjugation of the Jews....

I Snipped the rest of your ad hominem laced diatribe.

 

[PeteEU]

"FORCED to concede" = Laughable nonsense.

The Grand Mufti aided and abetted Nazi Germany in their subjugation of the Jews....

I Snipped the rest of your ad hominem laced diatribe.

LOL.. The Grand Mufti sided with Nazi Germany to get rid of the British.

 

[Fledermaus]

LOL.. The Grand Mufti sided with Nazi Germany to get rid of the British.

LOL... He recruited Muslims for the Waffen SS.

LOL... He visited Hitler where they discussed an Arab "Final Solution".

LOL... He was instrumental in riots against Jews who dared to buy land...

 

[oneworld2]

Lol. So you are cool with genocide as a legitimate tool to achieve national objectives?

Where is there any call for genocide ? You would think such a call would be highlighted in the " encyclopediaHolocaust" but having read through their timeline of events there appears to be no mention of any such call

Hajj Amin al-Husayni: Key Dates | The Holocaust Encyclopedia

And to call him out on it but give him more credit than it is worth is equivalent to the blood libel?

Keep going man. This is getting good...


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I'm calling him out on his wish to portray the Mufiti as just wanting to join in with the Nazis on the " persecuting Jews " but leaving out the obvious and well documented aim of Arab autonomy that was the real aim of any collaboration , the same as it was for some Zionists that collaborated with the Nazis at the same time

It's calling out the double standards , double standards you seem happy enough to let slide and object to actually being called out. What does that say about you ?

I have accepted the charge that they are NOT the same but I mantain that the sentiments that inform them ARE the same IE to bend the truth/slur/lie in order to try to demonize the targeted group as subhuman maniacs

You support for it is what , imo ," is getting good" insomuchg as it is instructive of your own views and actions

 

[oneworld2]

LOL.. The Grand Mufti sided with Nazi Germany to get rid of the British.

correct and waaay too reasonable/impartial a view to be accepted by the poster you are going to fail convincing of it

 

[oneworld2]

"FORCED to concede" = Laughable nonsense.

Did you mention it until I forced you to concede the obvious ?

The Grand Mufti aided and abetted Nazi Germany in their subjugation of the Jews....

Some Jews in Palestine " aided and abetted " the British colonialists in their subjugation of the Palestinians but I don't see you mentioning it or condemning it.............. but it's obvious why you haven't

I Snipped the rest of your ad hominem laced diatribe.

Nope you avoided having to comment on it because you can't defend yourself or those biased views that keep getting exposed in your posts. Don't want to be called out for bigotry ?........ then don't construct obviously bigoted posts aimed at demonizing palestinians

 

[PeteEU]

LOL... He recruited Muslims for the Waffen SS.

LOL... He visited Hitler where they discussed an Arab "Final Solution".

LOL... He was instrumental in riots against Jews who dared to buy land...

And you are still pushing age old zionist bull**** propaganda.

His country was under the control of the British Empire and he wanted to be free of them. He sided with the Nazi scum to do so, because of the enemy of my enemy is my friend theory. The Ukrainians, Baltic Nations, Fins, people in Burma, Malaya, Indonesia and many other places did the exact same to fight their colonial masters or Soviets. The Vietnamese welcomed the Japanese because it got rid of the French.. that it did not work out as they thought it would is another matter. This was happening all over the colonial world.

Now was the uncontrolled Jewish immigration to the area a problem? yes, not necessarily because they were Jews, but because they were foreigners. Muslims and Jews had lived in peace and intermarried for centuries under Ottoman rule and before, but as soon as the British came around the whole thing started falling apart because that is what the British and French did.. divided people based on religion and ethnicity. Much the problems in the area today, can be attributed to the British and French rule after the Ottoman empire... things like the Lebanese civil war and even the current Syrian civil war. And allowing in outsiders to settle in your area without your consent because the "rulers" saw you as sub-humans who should have no say in who was allowed in, tends to garner up revolutionary thoughts.

I aint defending the guy on his beliefs or views, but no way in hell should the Palestinian or general colonial wish for freedom from the largely pro Christian racist British and French Empires be relegated to a footnote just because there were Jews involved.

When the Japanese took the Philippines, many saw them as saviours from American oppression. That attitude changed of course, but it still happened.

 

[Fledermaus]

And you are still pushing

Historical fact =/= "age old zionist bull**** propaganda"

 

[Fledermaus]

Did you mention it until I forced you to concede the obvious

FORCED = Stupid claim.

You have no power to FORCE me to do anything.

None.

Zilch.

Nada.

 

[Fledermaus]

Some Jews in Palestine " aided and abetted " the British colonialists in their subjugation of the Palestinians but I don't see you mentioning it or condemning it.............. but it's obvious why you haven't

"Some Jews" were not the Religious Leader for their region.

And since I was speaking of what the Grand Mufti did it would be silly to discuss what Jews did.

Nope you avoided having to comment on it because you can't defend yourself or those biased views that keep getting exposed in your posts. Don't want to be called out for bigotry ?........ then don't construct obviously bigoted posts aimed at demonizing palestinians

More off topic prattle...

Me: The Grand Mufti did.....

You: BUT DA JOOOOZ....

 

[oneworld2]

FORCED = Stupid claim.

You have no power to FORCE me to do anything.

None.

Zilch.

Nada.

My challenging your omission forced you to concede that which was omitted but you just can't accept that obvious conclusion

I have put much to you but you have completely failed in any reasonable response to it......... that's what happens when you try and pervert things to promote hatred , the defence becomes untenable and only highlights further biases

Evidently you haven't learned that life lesson yet

 

[oneworld2]

"Some Jews" were not the Religious Leader for their region.

And since I was speaking of what the Grand Mufti did it would be silly to discuss what Jews did.



More off topic prattle...

Me: The Grand Mufti did.....

You: BUT DA JOOOOZ....

Some of them Jewish people were leaders of Jewish factions like Stern

And , no it's not silly to point out that both sides did similar things at the same time in their history to someone who is trying to demonize one side for doing them. I will counter your bigoted commentary for as long as I can because you are little different from those that wish to promote old fashioned antisemitism byt selective viewing/misrepresentation and outright falsehoods

The last sentence you concocted just shows how desperate you are getting imo

 

[Fledermaus]

My challenging your omission forced you to concede that which was omitted but you just can't accept that obvious conclusion

I have put much to you but you have completely failed in any reasonable response to it......... that's what happens when you try and pervert things to promote hatred , the defence becomes untenable and only highlights further biases

Evidently you haven't learned that life lesson yet

You reminded me of a quote from a recent movie....

"Amazing every word of which you just said is wrong "

 

[oneworld2]

You reminded me of a quote from a recent movie....

"Amazing every word of which you just said is wrong "

Nope , you are just continuing to make a fool of yourself imo and showing a very very disturbing bigotry towards Palestinians/ Arabs

 

[Fledermaus]

Some of them Jewish people were leaders of Jewish factions like Stern

And , no it's not silly to point out that both sides did similar things at the same time in their history to someone who is trying to demonize one side for doing them. I will counter your bigoted commentary for as long as I can because you are little different from those that wish to promote old fashioned antisemitism byt selective viewing/misrepresentation and outright falsehoods

The last sentence you concocted just shows how desperate you are getting imo

Jewish faction leaders vs. THE SPIRITUAL LEADER for the Muslims in the Holy Lands.....

One would think THE SPIRITUAL LEADER for a given religion would not be chatting genocide with Hitler and his buddies....

Imagine if the Pope discussed methods of disposal for the Polish Jews....

More 'But the JOOOZ' nonsense....