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Fledermaus said:
He may be. I don't care. Report him if you wish.

And it is a fact that over time the people of and the rulers over the area of Palestine have changed... Drastically is some cases.
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Again, non-sequitur.
 
Fledermaus said:
You keep using the term "non-sequitur". Your usage suggests you have no clue to its meaning.
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This is coming from a poster who is confused as to why Gaza is not a sovereign state.
 
Fledermaus said:
Some fled, others forced off lands. Yep.

Just as Jews were forced off Muslim lands in 1948. Muslims bragged the Jerusalem was free of Jews for the first time in history. Jews were evicted in practically every surrounding nation.

As to being violent because of an invader....

One would think the Palestinians of Gaza would have become less violent now that they had their own territory. The exact opposite happened.
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The Palestinians do not have full sovereignty over Gaza, they are still enclosed and embargoed by Israel. The fact remains is that you absolutely would get violent were your country treated like that. Israel's goal is the complete control of all of former Israel and they do not care about the natives they have to replace to get it.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The Palestinians do not have full sovereignty over Gaza, they are still enclosed and embargoed by Israel. The fact remains is that you absolutely would get violent were your country treated like that. Israel's goal is the complete control of all of former Israel and they do not care about the natives they have to replace to get it.
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Jews are the native people of the land of Israel, and Israel's intention is to provide them security against Islamist terrorism.
There is no such 'fact' that shows anyone who lives in the Palestinian territories automatically gets the urge to murder innocent people. Violence is still the choice of the few, and those who choose violence must be stopped and crashed.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
That is insane blabbering, totally outside of the realm of reality.
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There is not now nor ever has been a Palestinian State. If you think that's insane blabbering then it should be easy to show when there was.

Zuheir Mohsen
Palestinian politician.

*The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people*

Zuheir Mohsen - Wikiquote
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The Palestinians do not have full sovereignty over Gaza, they are still enclosed and embargoed by Israel. The fact remains is that you absolutely would get violent were your country treated like that. Israel's goal is the complete control of all of former Israel and they do not care about the natives they have to replace to get it.
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You do understand why the embargo happened... Yes?

The never ending importation of weapons to further the terrorist attacks upon Israeli citizens....

Please show where a sovereign state must allow weapons to an attacking entity.
 
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Fledermaus said:
To deny there are people who identify as Palestinian is a violation.
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Considering I never denied there were people who identified as Palestinian, I guess it's all good.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
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Read comprehension is your friend.

There are several million that identify as being Palestinian.

*The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people*

Zuheir Mohsen - Wikiquote
 
Exactly how does digging up a quote that repeats again the denial of Palestinians.....help you?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Exactly how does digging up a quote that repeats again the denial of Palestinians.....help you?
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Just showing you what an early leader in the PLO knew the truth to be.
There is not now nor ever has been a sovereign state of Palestine, there is no Palestinian culture, there are no Palestinian peoples, they are Arabic.
 
hanger4 said:
Just showing you what an early leader in the PLO knew the truth to be.
There is not now nor ever has been a sovereign state of Palestine, there is no Palestinian culture, there are no Palestinian peoples, they are Arabic.
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Mohsen essentially followed the line of as-Sa'iqa's Syrian Ba'athist ideology, which interpreted the Palestinian question through a perspective of pan-Arab nationalism. In some respects this contravened the PLO charter, which affirmed the existence of a Palestinian people with national rights. Historically, some hostility existed between the main Fatah faction of the PLO under Yasser Arafat and the Ba'ath party of Hafez al-Assad on this issue.
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The journalist Robert Fisk was to claim that al-Saiqa, under Mohsen, was to employ its energies "almost exclusively against their brother Palestinians",[6] stating that in June 1976 he saw "the PLO in open combat within West Beirut against al-Saiqa, who had attacked Arafat's forces on orders from Damascus."[7]
 
Fledermaus said:
Another term you appear not to understand.

Pointing out your inconsistencies is not a strawman.
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pointing them out...would be...quoting.

Straw is the practice of creating fiction, knocking it over and acting like you defeated something I said.

non sequiturs are comments which do not logically follow what you are attempting to counter. You have been overdoing both rhetorical fallacies, wasting my time.
 
Apocalypse said:
This is the what? Millionth time you repeat such nonsense?
And it is based on what exactly? The overwhelming majority of Palestinians aren't violent.
It looks like just the same amount of every other Islamist country in conflict out there - Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.

You're jumping through hoops to promote murderous violence against completely innocent people.
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Who speaks for the Palestinians?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The Palestinians do not have full sovereignty over Gaza, they are still enclosed and embargoed by Israel. The fact remains is that you absolutely would get violent were your country treated like that. Israel's goal is the complete control of all of former Israel and they do not care about the natives they have to replace to get it.
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Israel and Egypt.

You guys should at least pretend that your “concern” for the Palestinians has something to do with more than just sticking it to the Jews. Suggest you at least try to acknowledge basic reality as a starting point. Helps build you some fake credibility that way.


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Gimmesometruth said:
Mohsen essentially followed the line of as-Sa'iqa's Syrian Ba'athist ideology, which interpreted the Palestinian question through a perspective of pan-Arab nationalism. In some respects this contravened the PLO charter, which affirmed the existence of a Palestinian people with national rights. Historically, some hostility existed between the main Fatah faction of the PLO under Yasser Arafat and the Ba'ath party of Hafez al-Assad on this issue.
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The journalist Robert Fisk was to claim that al-Saiqa, under Mohsen, was to employ its energies "almost exclusively against their brother Palestinians",[6] stating that in June 1976 he saw "the PLO in open combat within West Beirut against al-Saiqa, who had attacked Arafat's forces on orders from Damascus."[7]
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Fisk. Lol.


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