Brazilian gun control failed miserably

[Gusschneider10]

The American liberal media have been supporting gun control for a long time, but does gun control decrease the homicide rate? NO, IT DOESN’T.

The Disarmament Statute made almost impossible to own a legal gun in Brazil, it was signed by ex-socialist President Lula in 2006.

On October 23, 2005, the Brazilian government held a referendum on the prohibition of firearms sale in Brazil. 63% of the population voted against the Disarmament Statute, nevertheless the gun control law was approved without the consensus of the people.

Brazil had a homicide rate of 25,2 per 100,000 population in 2015, in other words, there has been an increase of 10,6% since 2005.

The population is defenseless, criminals have no fear committing their crimes.

 

[Goshin]

The American liberal media have been supporting gun control for a long time, but does gun control decrease the homicide rate? NO, IT DOESN’T.

The Disarmament Statute made almost impossible to own a legal gun in Brazil, it was signed by ex-socialist President Lula in 2006.

On October 23, 2005, the Brazilian government held a referendum on the prohibition of firearms sale in Brazil. 63% of the population voted against the Disarmament Statute, nevertheless the gun control law was approved without the consensus of the people.

Brazil had a homicide rate of 25,2 per 100,000 population in 2015, in other words, there has been an increase of 10,6% since 2005.

The population is defenseless, criminals have no fear committing their crimes.

Thank you for posting this. Many of us have been saying for years that gun control has little effect on homicides, and may even increase them.

Of course the anti-gun crowd will probably not listen, as usual.

 

[ttwtt78640]

It just takes a while for it to trickle down to violent criminals.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Thank you for posting this. Many of us have been saying for years that gun control has little effect on homicides, and may even increase them.

Of course the anti-gun crowd will probably not listen, as usual.

Other factors in 3, 2, 1...

 

[Tigerace117]

The American liberal media have been supporting gun control for a long time, but does gun control decrease the homicide rate? NO, IT DOESN’T.

The Disarmament Statute made almost impossible to own a legal gun in Brazil, it was signed by ex-socialist President Lula in 2006.

On October 23, 2005, the Brazilian government held a referendum on the prohibition of firearms sale in Brazil. 63% of the population voted against the Disarmament Statute, nevertheless the gun control law was approved without the consensus of the people.

Brazil had a homicide rate of 25,2 per 100,000 population in 2015, in other words, there has been an increase of 10,6% since 2005.

The population is defenseless, criminals have no fear committing their crimes.

Your average criminal doesn't fear your average civilian regardless.

 

[Tigerace117]

The American liberal media have been supporting gun control for a long time, but does gun control decrease the homicide rate? NO, IT DOESN’T.

The Disarmament Statute made almost impossible to own a legal gun in Brazil, it was signed by ex-socialist President Lula in 2006.

On October 23, 2005, the Brazilian government held a referendum on the prohibition of firearms sale in Brazil. 63% of the population voted against the Disarmament Statute, nevertheless the gun control law was approved without the consensus of the people.

Brazil had a homicide rate of 25,2 per 100,000 population in 2015, in other words, there has been an increase of 10,6% since 2005.

The population is defenseless, criminals have no fear committing their crimes.

Your average criminal doesn't fear your average civilian regardless.

 

[vegas giants]

The American liberal media have been supporting gun control for a long time, but does gun control decrease the homicide rate? NO, IT DOESN’T.

The Disarmament Statute made almost impossible to own a legal gun in Brazil, it was signed by ex-socialist President Lula in 2006.

On October 23, 2005, the Brazilian government held a referendum on the prohibition of firearms sale in Brazil. 63% of the population voted against the Disarmament Statute, nevertheless the gun control law was approved without the consensus of the people.

Brazil had a homicide rate of 25,2 per 100,000 population in 2015, in other words, there has been an increase of 10,6% since 2005.

The population is defenseless, criminals have no fear committing their crimes.

When you have no rule of law.....laws are pretty meaningless

 

[Goshin]

Your average criminal doesn't fear your average civilian regardless.

Not strictly true.


A study was done some years ago, and a large number of convicts were questioned about a variety of things.


Among other things, two items were found: criminals had little fear of locks, alarms or cops, but they feared two things: Big aggressive dogs, and armed citizens who looked like they'd shoot.

 

[Gusschneider10]

You're welcome.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

The American liberal media have been supporting gun control for a long time, but does gun control decrease the homicide rate? NO, IT DOESN’T.

The Disarmament Statute made almost impossible to own a legal gun in Brazil, it was signed by ex-socialist President Lula in 2006.

On October 23, 2005, the Brazilian government held a referendum on the prohibition of firearms sale in Brazil. 63% of the population voted against the Disarmament Statute, nevertheless the gun control law was approved without the consensus of the people.

Brazil had a homicide rate of 25,2 per 100,000 population in 2015, in other words, there has been an increase of 10,6% since 2005.

The population is defenseless, criminals have no fear committing their crimes.

Here's the oddest thing about what you posted. Bear with me here, bot-boi, it'll just take a sec.

Everything you just said about a gun ban in 2005 was a lie.

https://nacla.org/article/disarming-brazil-lessons-and-challenges

Hey! Say 'hi' to Vlad.

 

[Tigerace117]

Not strictly true.


A study was done some years ago, and a large number of convicts were questioned about a variety of things.


Among other things, two items were found: criminals had little fear of locks, alarms or cops, but they feared two things: Big aggressive dogs, and armed citizens who looked like they'd shoot.

Of course nobody is scared of a lock. It's an inanimate object with no real power to harm anyone; likewise with alarms. And people who have been arrested and "know the drill" so to speak.

Dogs and guns make sense, but your average civilian doesn't exactly possess an aura of martial confidence.

 

[Goshin]

Here's the oddest thing about what you posted. Bear with me here, bot-boi, it'll just take a sec.

Everything you just said about a gun ban in 2005 was a lie.

https://nacla.org/article/disarming-brazil-lessons-and-challenges

Hey! Say 'hi' to Vlad.

The total ban failed, but it sounds like there were severe restrictions anyway.


From your article:

Sou da Paz reported that in the year before the statute, 7,387 guns were newly registered in the state of São Paulo. After the first year of the new requirements, there were only 2,064 registration requests in the state and only 16 were granted. Overall, the legal commerce of firearms dropped by 92%, forcing many gun shops out of business.*

Also, from wikipedia...

n 2005, a majority of Brazil's population voted against banning the sale of guns and ammunition to civilians in a referendum. However, the Brazilian Department of Justice (Ministério da Justiça), which performs each individual's mandatory background check (which is made prior every gun acquisition, and every three years after it is acquired, which allows gun confiscation at the discretion of authorities), have been forbidding almost every citizen from buying guns,[8][9] based on the Executive Order # 5.123, of 07/01/2004 (Decreto n.º 5.123, de 1º de julho de 2004),[10] which allows the Federal Police to analyze the given reasons for owning a gun, under which "self defense" is not considered a valid reason because there are allegedly sufficient public police officers to maintain nationwide security.[11]

 

[Goshin]

Of course nobody is scared of a lock. It's an inanimate object with no real power to harm anyone; likewise with alarms. And people who have been arrested and "know the drill" so to speak.

Dogs and guns make sense, but your average civilian doesn't exactly possess an aura of martial confidence.

Depends on exactly what you mean.

Plenty of average folks who aren't Chuck Norris clones will still shoot you dead if it seems necessary.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

The total ban failed, but it sounds like there were severe restrictions anyway.


From your article:




Also, from wikipedia...

n 2005, a majority of Brazil's population voted against banning the sale of guns and ammunition to civilians in a referendum. However, the Brazilian Department of Justice (Ministério da Justiça), which performs each individual's mandatory background check (which is made prior every gun acquisition, and every three years after it is acquired, which allows gun confiscation at the discretion of authorities), have been forbidding almost every citizen from buying guns,[8][9] based on the Executive Order # 5.123, of 07/01/2004 (Decreto n.º 5.123, de 1º de julho de 2004),[10] which allows the Federal Police to analyze the given reasons for owning a gun, under which "self defense" is not considered a valid reason because there are allegedly sufficient public police officers to maintain nationwide security.[11]

OK. But what the OP posted remains bull****.

That's pretty much what I was addressing.

 

[Beaudreaux]

The total ban failed, but it sounds like there were severe restrictions anyway.


From your article:




Also, from wikipedia...

n 2005, a majority of Brazil's population voted against banning the sale of guns and ammunition to civilians in a referendum. However, the Brazilian Department of Justice (Ministério da Justiça), which performs each individual's mandatory background check (which is made prior every gun acquisition, and every three years after it is acquired, which allows gun confiscation at the discretion of authorities), have been forbidding almost every citizen from buying guns,[8][9] based on the Executive Order # 5.123, of 07/01/2004 (Decreto n.º 5.123, de 1º de julho de 2004),[10] which allows the Federal Police to analyze the given reasons for owning a gun, under which "self defense" is not considered a valid reason because there are allegedly sufficient public police officers to maintain nationwide security.[11]

There you go, interjecting facts into what had all the appearances of being a perfectly good rant...

Don't we also have a new thread about how average, otherwise reasonable people, will deny facts if they contradict their ideological beliefs?

 

[Goshin]

There you go, interjecting facts into what had all the appearances of being a perfectly good rant...

Don't we also have a new thread about how average, otherwise reasonable people, will deny facts if they contradict their ideological beliefs?

Bad habit of mine.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Sorry to interject this here, but there's this odd digital burp that's happening here tonight.

Posts aren't actually doing what they should be doing.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Sorry to interject this here, but there's this odd digital burp that's happening here tonight.

Posts aren't actually doing what they should be doing.

There are numerous, and strange, ideas running through my head of what could both constitute an "odd digital burp" as well as what it may look like, and what distinguishes an "odd digital burp" versus a "normal digital burp?"

 

[Tanngrisnir]

There are numerous, and strange, ideas running through my head of what could both constitute an "odd digital burp" as well as what it may look like, and what distinguishes an "odd digital burp" versus a "normal digital burp?"

You likely can't hear my laughter from deep, dark Los Angeles, but that's genuinely funny.

What I meant was is that there are, I guess, hiccups in how posts are being made. Might be bandwidth. Might be something else.

Posts that I've made aren't showing up like I posted them.

And, that indicates certain digital possibilities that have to do with coding and some other stuff.

 

[Goshin]

One of the toughest guys I ever met didn't look it.

5'8", balding, slight beer gut, cheerful, friendly, almost always smiling. Looked a little rounded at a glance.


Hard as a rock, much stronger than he looked. Could take a punch without losing his smile. Black belts in Judo and Aikido, also knew some boxing and wrestling.

Yeah he could shoot too.


Can't go by appearances.

 

[TurtleDude]

One of the toughest guys I ever met didn't look it.

5'8", balding, slight beer gut, cheerful, friendly, almost always smiling. Looked a little rounded at a glance.


Hard as a rock, much stronger than he looked. Could take a punch without losing his smile. Black belts in Judo and Aikido, also knew some boxing and wrestling.

Yeah he could shoot too.


Can't go by appearances.

true enough. You probably remember my post about a study down in California of hardened street criminals. researchers filmed dozens of people at a mall and asked the thugs to identify which shoppers they would mug and which ones they would let be. the responses were varied but one that almost every prisoner said he'd leave alone was a 60 or so slightly built man. IF you watch the film, you saw a man that looked pretty ordinary, actually smaller than most men. but he walked like a cat, and was constantly looking around. Not like someone fearful of demons but someone who was well aware of his environment. One prisoner said-that dude looks like he'd gut you. Another guy said-that man gives me the creeps. Cannot say why, he just does. Well it turned out that those prisoners were pretty smart when it came to avoiding danger. The guy in question was a highly decorated veteran special forces type who was a pure bad ass.

 

[FederalRepublic]

The total ban failed, but it sounds like there were severe restrictions anyway.


From your article:




Also, from wikipedia...

n 2005, a majority of Brazil's population voted against banning the sale of guns and ammunition to civilians in a referendum. However, the Brazilian Department of Justice (Ministério da Justiça), which performs each individual's mandatory background check (which is made prior every gun acquisition, and every three years after it is acquired, which allows gun confiscation at the discretion of authorities), have been forbidding almost every citizen from buying guns,[8][9] based on the Executive Order # 5.123, of 07/01/2004 (Decreto n.º 5.123, de 1º de julho de 2004),[10] which allows the Federal Police to analyze the given reasons for owning a gun, under which "self defense" is not considered a valid reason because there are allegedly sufficient public police officers to maintain nationwide security.[11]

According to my Brazilian friends, pretty much the only people in Brazil with guns are cops and criminals (sometimes that description overlaps). The average person isn't armed and can't buy a gun. They are preyed on heavily by both groups.

 

[Goshin]

According to my Brazilian friends, pretty much the only people in Brazil with guns are cops and criminals (sometimes that description overlaps). The average person isn't armed and can't buy a gun. They are preyed on heavily by both groups.

That's what I have heard also. Terrible shame.


He who disarms you is not your friend.

 

[Fenton Lum]

The American liberal media have been supporting gun control for a long time, but does gun control decrease the homicide rate? NO, IT DOESN’T.

The Disarmament Statute made almost impossible to own a legal gun in Brazil, it was signed by ex-socialist President Lula in 2006.

On October 23, 2005, the Brazilian government held a referendum on the prohibition of firearms sale in Brazil. 63% of the population voted against the Disarmament Statute, nevertheless the gun control law was approved without the consensus of the people.

Brazil had a homicide rate of 25,2 per 100,000 population in 2015, in other words, there has been an increase of 10,6% since 2005.

The population is defenseless, criminals have no fear committing their crimes.

That's it, I'll never vote for that **** again!

 

[TaterTots]

I like how people from the left like to compare much smaller countries like Australia for statistics to the U.S. 4 out of 10 homes have firearms in the U.S. It's not going anywhere. It's an identifier.