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Nice rant. I think here is something for you to think on.I said in response to your question
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now, you said that I said "If pregnancy is the condition necessary for being human, then why is a baby outside the womb a human?" .................. that is NOT what I said.
can you not read the difference? a sperm is human, is "alive" but its not a living human life is it ?
it is the way every single person knows for 100% sure there is a living human unborn lie
I did not
best I can yes I am, you don't like my answers is all
ok
#1 you need to acknowledge that you didn't know embryo's wasn't harvested from the mother? I don't know what you posted that
#2 this entire thread started with a woman who was brain dead and the circumstances was keep her alive until the baby in her womb was old enough to remove or allow them both to die. IVF has NOTHING to do with that. Also, frozen embryo's or in a petri dish have nothing to do with a woman having a doctor end a pregnancy by killing the unborn child in the womb
now, the only thing that ties it in, is that an embryo outside the mothers womb does have the dna, it does have qualities of human life ............. but without the beginning of a normal pregnancy what is it ? its a good question, its a good thin to discuss ... but what we know for sure, and everyone does and has to agree, that if there is a normal pregnancy there HAS to be a living human mother and a living human unborn life in the womb
those saying she was dead are 100% wrong
if there wasn't a living unborn life in the womb there would be no pregnancy
it really is as simple as that and the same baby 1 minute born? that's the same baby 1 minute before, 10 minutes before, 10 days before and 10 weeks before. Same. And if it has value after birth it is does equally before because its the same. Now if you want to go BEFORE ? and look at the first 6 days of an embryo? Do that, make the argument, I encourage you to. Prove its a living human life at that stage? then it certainly is during a pregnancy. Prove its not? doesn't matter, because it is once a pregnancy begins
You cannot breach my argument - its solid and without flaw.
the ONLY people that can argue it is those who do not value human life at all. To them, human life isn't valuable at 10 years old, 1 years old, 1 day old, or anytime in the womb. Life isn't valuable, kill it at anytime, doesn't matter, nothing is lost really. They can be consistent at least, we've seen them on this thread.
As this is the essence of people’s issue with your position on abortion..
Your position simply puts women’s lives at risk of death , paralysis , sterility, and a whole host of other common medical issues.
It puts fetuses at risk for pain and suffering
And ironically it appears to lead to more abortion.
( at least according to the data)
And your position does this based on this idea you propose of “ human value “.
Yet you can’t define in nor quantify it in any manner.