Bowe Bergdahl pleads guilty to desertion

[Mr Person]

of course it is in our nation's interest to further incarcerate someone having severe mental health issues, despite that he was a taliban prisoner for years already

Well, you see we have to deter people from having severe mental health issues. What'll the world come to if people think they can go around having problems?

/sarc. off




I think the key should be how those mental health problems relate to the charges, ie, did they interfere with his ability to form an intent to do something (if that's relevant to the charges), are they mitigating factors, etc.

But yeah, time as a taliban prisoner should be considered, I'd say, even if it doesn't fall strictly under "time served" (ie, typically time spent awaiting trial that later counted towards an eventual sentence).

 

[Chomsky]

Maybe I shouldn't, but I feel bad for the guy. Not sure what he deserves, but I hope he doesn't get life.

Well, yeah I can understand where you're coming from. He is psychologically unfit for the service. And he did slip through the cracks, somehow. But even with whatever psych issues he has, as compassionate as we'd like to be, he does have to pay some reasonable cost. In order to protect the integrity of our armed services.

(all in my humble opinion of course, since I've never served)

 

[Southern Dad]

And yet, the facts surrounding his disappearance were not known then. Again: did Obama's actions to get him released differ from general policy? I know that it is not black and white when dealing with terrorist demands.

The ability to use him for leverage still remained as long as he was in enemy hands.

Interesting. So it is your opinion that the President of the United States was IGNORANT of the circumstances surrounding Bowe Bergdahl's disappearance five years after he deserted? Given it was Barack Obama, I guess I could buy that. Talk about painting your guy into a stupid corner. Commander-in-Chief and he didn't know this guy deserted?

 

[Chomsky]

The US Coast Guard turned him out after 26 days! But the Army needs warm bodies......

Whoa, I didn't know that - thank you.

And according to friends of Bergdahl, it was for psych reasons.

 

[Lursa]

Interesting. So it is your opinion that the President of the United States was IGNORANT of the circumstances surrounding Bowe Bergdahl's disappearance five years after he deserted? Given it was Barack Obama, I guess I could buy that. Talk about painting your guy into a stupid corner. Commander-in-Chief and he didn't know this guy deserted?

I didnt hear that this video was after his trial.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl pleads guilty to desertion - CNNPolitics
Obama's favorite military hero is headed for prison.
How many soldiers did we lose and terrorists did we give away to save this traitor?

Has it not crossed your mind that Obama deserved to be bashed?

Obama is not president and has absolutely nothing to do with this case. Can you give one example of Obama praising Bergdahl in any way, shape or form? This is just silly partisanship injected into completely unrelated topics.

Not really. Obots spent 8 years blaming and bashing Bush. Now only 8 months out of office, these same people demand Obama be free of criticism. Sorry, that's not going to happen. Hell, there are liberals here still bashing Reagan. So no matter how hard you guys try, Obama wont be getting his safe space any time soon.

So what specifically is Obama guilty of? Did he convince Bergdahl to go AWOL? Did he praise him or shield him from prosecution? Be specific. Sounds like a serious case of ODS - Obama Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Rogue Valley]

I trust the military judge will consider everything (desertion admission, material evidence, circumstantial evidence, psychological eval's etc.) and arrive at a fair and just sentence.

 

[Southern Dad]

I didnt hear that this video was after his trial.

So you are saying that President Obama shouldn't have known the piece of **** who's parents he was standing between was a deserter until after Bergdah's trial? Again, it's Obama. I can see you believing that.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Of course you do not see what President Obama did wrong on this issue. Let me clue you in...

Interesting. So it is your opinion that the President of the United States was IGNORANT of the circumstances surrounding Bowe Bergdahl's disappearance five years after he deserted? Given it was Barack Obama, I guess I could buy that. Talk about painting your guy into a stupid corner. Commander-in-Chief and he didn't know this guy deserted?

Nobody had any idea why he was gone until afterwards. He could've been kidnapped against his will. Regardless of the reason, it is our responsibility to recover our soldiers from enemy hands. Any crimes they committed will then be prosecuted, as they have been. You're basically demanding we abandon POWs in enemy hands and just assume they're all deserters.

So you are saying that President Obama shouldn't have known the piece of **** who's parents he was standing between was a deserter until after Bergdah's trial? Again, it's Obama. I can see you believing that.

Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. Are you saying that the president has a mind reading device capable of world wide interrogation of anyone on the planet? Do you have evidence of this device or evidence that he could have or did know?

 

[Deuce]

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl pleads guilty to desertion - CNNPolitics



Obama's favorite military hero is headed for prison.

How many soldiers did we lose and terrorists did we give away to save this traitor?

Do you think "Obama's favorite military hero" is an honest way to describe this person?

Don't bother answering here, we all know the answer. This question is for you to assess yourself. Analyze your own choices.

 

[Deuce]

Interesting. So it is your opinion that the President of the United States was IGNORANT of the circumstances surrounding Bowe Bergdahl's disappearance five years after he deserted? Given it was Barack Obama, I guess I could buy that. Talk about painting your guy into a stupid corner. Commander-in-Chief and he didn't know this guy deserted?

Identify the dates of:

Desertion
Recovery
Trial
That video

 

[Southern Dad]

Nobody had any idea why he was gone until afterwards. He could've been kidnapped against his will. Regardless of the reason, it is our responsibility to recover our soldiers from enemy hands. Any crimes they committed will then be prosecuted, as they have been. You're basically demanding we abandon POWs in enemy hands and just assume they're all deserters.

Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. Are you saying that the president has a mind reading device capable of world wide interrogation of anyone on the planet? Do you have evidence of this device or evidence that he could have or did know?

Thank you for clarifying that you think that President Barack H Obama was ignorant of the circumstances behind Bowe Bergdahl's disappearance. It just shows us how clueless you all believe the top man over the military really was. If Obama did not know, it was because he did not want to know. We are talking about FIVE years after he deserted.

 

[Lursa]

So you are saying that President Obama shouldn't have known the piece of **** who's parents he was standing between was a deserter until after Bergdah's trial? Again, it's Obama. I can see you believing that.

I think we should adopt the policy here in the US people that are innocent until proven guilty.

Oh, wait....

 

[Southern Dad]

Identify the dates of:

Desertion
Recovery
Trial
That video

Oh no, we'll stick with your opinion that the Commander-in-Chief was utterly ignorant as to the circumstances to Bowe Bergdahl's leaving his post five years earlier. Damn, he had good intelligence people, didn't he?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Thank you for clarifying that you think that President Barack H Obama was ignorant of the circumstances behind Bowe Bergdahl's disappearance. It just shows us how clueless you all believe the top man over the military really was. If Obama did not know, it was because he did not want to know. We are talking about FIVE years after he deserted.

Then please, provide evidence that he or anyone else knew for a fact that he deserted and wasn't kidnapped. It seems like you're saying we should abandon all POWs because they might be deserters. We had no idea what his side of the story was until we could talk to him. Now that we know the story he's being prosecuted. Until convicted he is innocent and was an American soldier. That may not mean much to you but it means a lot to most real Americans.

 

[Southern Dad]

I think we should adopt the policy here in the US people that are innocent until proven guilty.

Oh, wait....

Do you hold that same position on conservatives? President Trump? People in his administration?

 

[Skeptic Bob]

So you are saying that President Obama shouldn't have known the piece of **** who's parents he was standing between was a deserter until after Bergdah's trial? Again, it's Obama. I can see you believing that.

Whatever his personal opinion of the case was at the time is irrelevant. In our country one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

 

[Southern Dad]

Then please, provide evidence that he or anyone else knew for a fact that he deserted and wasn't kidnapped. It seems like you're saying we should abandon all POWs because they might be deserters.

Oh no, I've already accepted your position, that President Barack H Obama was so ignorant that he had no clue this dirtbag deserted. Apparently everyone his staff dropped the ball on this one. Damn, how foolish.

 

[Lursa]

Thank you for clarifying that you think that President Barack H Obama was ignorant of the circumstances behind Bowe Bergdahl's disappearance. It just shows us how clueless you all believe the top man over the military really was. If Obama did not know, it was because he did not want to know. We are talking about FIVE years after he deserted.

That we knew he intentionally deserted instead of wandering away/doing something and being captured?

We had all the facts on that?

No, but what did start to come out were his mental issues which a) the army wasnt looking forward to taking any accountability for and b) left the door open to multiple circumstances

 

[Southern Dad]

Whatever his personal opinion of the case was at the time is irrelevant. In our country one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

He traded five high ranking Taliban for one low ranking deserter.

 

[Lursa]

Do you hold that same position on conservatives? President Trump? People in his administration?

Yes
..

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Oh no, we'll stick with your opinion that the Commander-in-Chief was utterly ignorant as to the circumstances to Bowe Bergdahl's leaving his post five years earlier. Damn, he had good intelligence people, didn't he?

LOL, what intelligence do you think our intelligence officers can gather about what's going on in the head of a missing soldier in Afghanistan? Do you think they swept the area for finger prints and semen and determined it was definitely desertion? You must watch too much CSI.

 

[Southern Dad]

That we knew he intentionally deserted instead of wandering away/doing something and being captured?

We had all the facts on that?

No, but what did start to come out were his mental issues which a) the army wasnt looking forward to taking any accountability for and b) left the door open to multiple circumstances

 

[Deuce]

Oh no, we'll stick with your opinion that the Commander-in-Chief was utterly ignorant as to the circumstances to Bowe Bergdahl's leaving his post five years earlier. Damn, he had good intelligence people, didn't he?

I'm attempting to establish the timeline because I don't remember the timeline. If you're unable to provide that timeline, your argument is weak.

 

[Southern Dad]

LOL, what intelligence do you think our intelligence officers can gather about what's going on in the head of a missing soldier in Afghanistan? Do you think they swept the area for finger prints and semen and determined it was definitely desertion? You must watch too much CSI.

I'm betting they could have asked any of these guys...