Bob Woodward’s new book reveals a ‘nervous breakdown’ of Trump’s presidency

[trixare4kids]

No one is suggesting that Woodward is not to be questioned.

Ha! You need to reread the thread again.

 

[Fiddytree]

Possibly. During Watergate the GOP waited until the 11th hour to finally cave and pull their support of Nixon. Today's GOP has turned into the trump party with zero balls, terrified of trump's radical supporters. One can only hope that'll change.

While it is important to talk about the lack of balls in the current GOP, we must remind ourselves that the GOP of the early-to-mid 1970s was a minority player. The pressures to back the President were different.

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[Chomsky]

I’m just like that! Only for porn instead

:lamo

 

[Kobie]

No, honestly I can't believe that her book hit #1 on the NYT Best Sellers list. She's an attention whore, and this book was just another money grab for her.

That's not exactly a glorious distinction. There have been oodles of just garbage books that have gone No. 1 on the NYT Best Seller list.

 

[Superfly]

That's not exactly a glorious distinction. There have been oodles of just garbage books that have gone No. 1 on the NYT Best Seller list.

Point well taken.

 

[Fearandloathing]

This is off topic, but I am wondering how the NAFTA re- negotiations are playing out in Canada? (feel free to start a thread if needed, but I am really interested in the Canadian POV, thanks)

As a journalist I have many years experience on trade talks. It is not like buying a house or fixing a motor cycle. It is complex, NAFTA has 30,000 "items of identity" including human rights on the job site. "Progress" or any comment is as much thin air as no one can say when, how, where etc. I do know that in this game the US has NOT been bargaining in good faith as we see Trump stating as much, so I will be surprised if there IS a deal.

Trump especially is using the talks and the lie of how we have so badly treated you as a foil against the investigations about his illegal activities. Behind the scenes it's meaningless to the negotiators - note: dairy constitute 2% of the entire NAFTA deal and you already sell more here than we buy. It's a ghost issue.

Trump does NOT want a problem solving aspect where a third party determines a foul, he wants to be able to break the rules without penalty.

It's another political game where you're being used as ballot fodder. They continue to exude optimism but I know there is a "plan Z"...and, the US will be selling a lot less to Canada no matter what. A huge, unofficial, grass roots boycott is under way. My neighbor just bought a Honda because Harley's "are made by assholes"

You've made enemies. I know I will never believe the word of an American again.

 

[trixare4kids]

As a journalist I have many years experience on trade talks. It is not like buying a house or fixing a motor cycle. It is complex, NAFTA has 30,000 "items of identity" including human rights on the job site. "Progress" or any comment is as much thin air as no one can say when, how, where etc. I do know that in this game the US has NOT been bargaining in good faith as we see Trump stating as much, so I will be surprised if there IS a deal.

Trump especially is using the talks and the lie of how we have so badly treated you as a foil against the investigations about his illegal activities. Behind the scenes it's meaningless to the negotiators - note: dairy constitute 2% of the entire NAFTA deal and you already sell more here than we buy. It's a ghost issue.

Trump does NOT want a problem solving aspect where a third party determines a foul, he wants to be able to break the rules without penalty.

It's another political game where you're being used as ballot fodder. They continue to exude optimism but I know there is a "plan Z"...and, the US will be selling a lot less to Canada no matter what. A huge, unofficial, grass roots boycott is under way. My neighbor just bought a Honda because Harley's "are made by assholes"

You've made enemies. I know I will never believe the word of an American again.

Well, aren't you special....

 

[JustHanging]

Well, aren't you special....

I know that this wasn't directed at me...

...but you just got taken to the wood shed, and this is the best you can come up with? Maybe you should take the post you replied to and spend some time thinking about it?

 

[HumblePi]

I'm actually chuckling over the title of the article; ‘I don’t talk the way I am quoted’.

I found a way around the WP paywall so I'll copy a couple of paragraphs. Starting with that quote. “I don’t talk the way I am quoted,” Trump said in a morning tweet. “If I did I would not have been elected President. These quotes were made up.”

“You people know me. I don’t talk that way,” Trump said. “I can’t get up and talk in front of a crowd, many times without notes, for an hour and 25 minutes and get the biggest crowds in the history of politics. . . . You don’t get up and do that because you don’t know how to think or talk. You can only do that if you’re at a very very high level.”

Woodward wrote that his book was drawn from hundreds of hours of interviews with firsthand participants and witnesses — interviews that were conducted on “deep background,” meaning that Woodward could use the information but not reveal who provided it. His account is also drawn from meeting notes, personal diaries and government documents, he said.

Trump suggested that libel laws should be changed so that he would be better positioned to seek “retribution” against Woodward, whose book portrays a presidency careening toward a “nervous breakdown.”

 

[SheWolf]

As a journalist I have many years experience on trade talks. It is not like buying a house or fixing a motor cycle. It is complex, NAFTA has 30,000 "items of identity" including human rights on the job site. "Progress" or any comment is as much thin air as no one can say when, how, where etc. I do know that in this game the US has NOT been bargaining in good faith as we see Trump stating as much, so I will be surprised if there IS a deal.

Trump especially is using the talks and the lie of how we have so badly treated you as a foil against the investigations about his illegal activities. Behind the scenes it's meaningless to the negotiators - note: dairy constitute 2% of the entire NAFTA deal and you already sell more here than we buy. It's a ghost issue.

Trump does NOT want a problem solving aspect where a third party determines a foul, he wants to be able to break the rules without penalty.

It's another political game where you're being used as ballot fodder. They continue to exude optimism but I know there is a "plan Z"...and, the US will be selling a lot less to Canada no matter what. A huge, unofficial, grass roots boycott is under way. My neighbor just bought a Honda because Harley's "are made by assholes"

You've made enemies. I know I will never believe the word of an American again.

Personally I think Trump will declare a win for himself no matter what. He will handle any announcement like he handled NK. He declared the nuclear threat gone, and he was either too stupid or too much a lair to recognize he was wrong. I suppose then, our expectations are the same of the NAFTA discussions, and I always saw Trump as a liar on NAFTA and it's dairy issues.

Most of my friends in Canada immigrated there, and I get invited. I met a Canadian recently, and she is a Muslim of Pakistani decent, and she told me how proud she is of Canada. When I met Canadians like her, they don't seem angry, at least, not towards me, but I am obviously not a Trump supporter. I think they feel a little sorry for my situation, the family being largely Muslim, and my husband going through immigration. They tell me there is little racism there, and invite us there.

I am a little sad to hear you say that you will never trust an American again, because not all Americans are Trump supporters. His supporters are about 30 to 40%, which is too high IMO, and I worry about the direction he could lead this country in, even after he is gone... but that's another story.

 

[SheWolf]

Well, aren't you special....

I live in Trump country and work with a lot of supporters. The only way to deal with it is avoid all political talk. I have also had some really messed up situations with Trump supporters confronting me about my and my husband's immigration status and other issues. Trump supporters have no idea how offensive you and Trump are capable of being.

As far as I can tell, we spend a lot of time ignoring each other in America.

 

[Aberration]

I live in Trump country and work with a lot of supporters. The only way to deal with it is avoid all political talk. I have also had some really messed up situations with Trump supporters confronting me about my and my husband's immigration status and other issues. Trump supporters have no idea how offensive you and Trump are capable of being.

As far as I can tell, we spend a lot of time ignoring each other in America.

You realize that works both ways, right?

 

[SheWolf]

You realize that works both ways, right?

I said we mostly just ignore each other in America. But the difference is, my group experiences disrespect, fear, and sometimes anger from a certain segment of Trump supporters and Trump himself. Your side ignores it all, and tells us we are brainwashed by the MSM.

But yeah, we mostly ignore and dont listen each other.

 

[Lursa]

Just got mine delivered to my Kindle...starting on it now.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Personally I think Trump will declare a win for himself no matter what. He will handle any announcement like he handled NK. He declared the nuclear threat gone, and he was either too stupid or too much a lair to recognize he was wrong. I suppose then, our expectations are the same of the NAFTA discussions, and I always saw Trump as a liar on NAFTA and it's dairy issues.

Most of my friends in Canada immigrated there, and I get invited. I met a Canadian recently, and she is a Muslim of Pakistani decent, and she told me how proud she is of Canada. When I met Canadians like her, they don't seem angry, at least, not towards me, but I am obviously not a Trump supporter. I think they feel a little sorry for my situation, the family being largely Muslim, and my husband going through immigration. They tell me there is little racism there, and invite us there.

I am a little sad to hear you say that you will never trust an American again, because not all Americans are Trump supporters. His supporters are about 30 to 40%, which is too high IMO, and I worry about the direction he could lead this country in, even after he is gone... but that's another story.

No, you won't hear 'new Canadians' entering that fray. Nor will the average Canadian raise the topic, politics are impolite you see.

However, beneath a thin patina of "nice" exists roiling resentments some of which date back to Kennedy. Recently a friend identified the US as "the pigs of the planet who won't even help clean it up."

You won't see demonstrations at Trump Tower, but you will hear cliques of bus drivers, construction workers, hair stylists etc. griping about it being a "monument to greed and lies."

As a nation we have entered a healing phase as directed by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. We are trying to find ways to undo the horror we inflicted on the indigenous people of this land. But news of these things gets overwhelmed by the angst, anger and hate emminating from the White House and America's tribal politics.

For the record, Canada and the US are not and never have been "friends" and sure as **** are not now. The great "friends' speech by JFK in the early 60's was 100% bull****. Behind the scenes Kennedy was demanding we accept nuclear missiles and threatened sanctions if we didn't.

The Height of US-Canada popularity was in the late 80's when prime minister Brian Mulroney piloted Canada through the Canada-US trade agreement which became NAFTA. Even then, a majority of Canadians were solidly negative on Reagan. That was followed by sanctions on our softwood lumber, which was followed by Clinton and HIS softwood sanctions which led to Bush II and more softwood sanctions - 12,000 Canadians lost their jobs AS WE were shipping soldiers into Afghanistan.

So, no "trust" is not a word that comes to mind when I think of Americans.

 

[Aberration]

I said we mostly just ignore each other in America. But the difference is, my group experiences disrespect, fear, and sometimes anger from a certain segment of Trump supporters and Trump himself. Your side ignores it all, and tells us we are brainwashed by the MSM.

But yeah, we mostly ignore and dont listen each other.

As I said. It works both ways. You ignored how we been treated for decades. You justified it. It’s how Trump came about. How convenient you forgot. We don’t ignore it. We just care if you complain. You set the standard for acceptable behavior.

 

[SheWolf]

As I said. It works both ways. You ignored how we been treated for decades. You justified it. It’s how Trump came about. How convenient you forgot. We don’t ignore it. We just care if you complain. You set the standard for acceptable behavior.

How were you treated?

 

[Atheist 2020]

On the first day, the book sold 750,000 copies. I got one and I already read it.