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Bloomberg once blamed the end of ‘redlining’ for the 2008 collapse

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Bloomberg once blamed end of '''redlining''' for 2008 collapse

"It all started back when there was a lot of pressure on banks to make loans to everyone," Bloomberg, now a Democratic presidential candidate, said at a forum that was hosted by Georgetown University in September 2008. "Redlining, if you remember, was the term where banks took whole neighborhoods and said, "People in these neighborhoods are poor, they're not going to be able to pay off their mortgages, tell your salesmen don't go into those areas."
He continued: "And then Congress got involved -- local elected officials, as well -- and said, "Oh that's not fair, these people should be able to get credit." And once you started pushing in that direction, banks started making more and more loans where the credit of the person buying the house wasn't as good as you would like."

I'm in real estate, and he's 100% correct. In the run up to the crash, banks were handing out mortgages like candy to anyone with a pulse. But, like his comments on inner city gun violence, it is extremely politically incorrect to state the truth if the truth disparages minorities in any way whatsoever.

I really hope he qualifies for the debate in Nevada. I'm looking forward to seeing the other commies pile on this wannabe autocrat.
 
Bloomberg once blamed end of '''redlining''' for 2008 collapse



I'm in real estate, and he's 100% correct. In the run up to the crash, banks were handing out mortgages like candy to anyone with a pulse. But, like his comments on inner city gun violence, it is extremely politically incorrect to state the truth if the truth disparages minorities in any way whatsoever.

I really hope he qualifies for the debate in Nevada. I'm looking forward to seeing the other commies pile on this wannabe autocrat.

I have seen some stats that showed some of these programs had comparable or slightly lower default rates than others up until the recession.
 
Bloomberg once blamed end of '''redlining''' for 2008 collapse

I'm in real estate, and he's 100% correct. In the run up to the crash, banks were handing out mortgages like candy to anyone with a pulse. But, like his comments on inner city gun violence, it is extremely politically incorrect to state the truth if the truth disparages minorities in any way whatsoever.

I really hope he qualifies for the debate in Nevada. I'm looking forward to seeing the other commies pile on this wannabe autocrat.

Cities like Baltimore ending up suing scumbanks like Wells Fargo (literal bank robbers) over their no-'count mortgage giveaways...
 
I have seen some stats that showed some of these programs had comparable or slightly lower default rates than others up until the recession.

Only because the spit hadn't hit the fan yet.

No down payment???

Please.

:hm
 
No one denies the housing bubble or what caused it. I'm just surprised Fannie and Freddie were not mentioned.
 
Only because the spit hadn't hit the fan yet.

No down payment???

Please.

:hm

Perhaps, but often those people got soaked on the PMI if they had bad credit. Banks didn't really care who they were lending to because the banks had no intention of holding those debts for the long-term. Then there were the speculators. Then their were the fraudsters buying up slum property they pumped and dumped. Pretty much everybody from the borrower to the closer was in on it in some way.

Anyway, I strongly support programs that make home buying more affordable for poorer people. That is not to say I think poor people should be getting interest-only, stated income zero down payment loans so they can live next to their doctor. There is a middle ground in there somewhere.
 
I stopped associating with an acquaintance because of his mortgage. He had a wife and kid and he took a mortgage that was totally impossible. When he told me the monthly, I made a noise. It was twice what he could expect to reliably pay each month. I couldn't stick around and watch it happen. I hope he got through it okay.
 
I have seen some stats that showed some of these programs had comparable or slightly lower default rates than others up until the recession.

I have so many stories from this crazy time. In 2007 I sold a multi family (which I bought for 40k five years earlier) to a guy who looked like a homeless person. He drove up in junk car. We talked and I asked him about his job. Turns out he worked at the McDonald's down the street. I pulled his agent aside and said,"Wtf are doing you wasting my time with this guy?", she said, "He's preapproved". He made a full price offer of somewhere around 300k and the deal closed. The bank took back the house about 3 years later, and I bought the same house again for 60k.
 
I have so many stories from this crazy time. In 2007 I sold a multi family (which I bought for 40k five years earlier) to a guy who looked like a homeless person. He drove up in junk car. We talked and I asked him about his job. Turns out he worked at the McDonald's down the street. I pulled his agent aside and said,"Wtf are doing you wasting my time with this guy?", she said, "He's preapproved". He made a full price offer of somewhere around 300k and the deal closed. The bank took back the house about 3 years later, and I bought the same house again for 60k.

Sure but at the same time, I knew a lot of poor people who didn't lose their homes and a lot of middle class people trying to live like upper middle class people who did. It wasn't just the mortgage. It was the new cars, the new clothes, eating out all the time on plastic, strip out their equity to pay those off, rinse and repeat until the recession kept them from getting that last life-saving refinance because credit was locked down and there was no more rungs up on the equity ladder. I have not been in my house a long time, but I certainly could not have afforded it had the recession not happened and my city in general and my neighborhood in particular having been hit extremely hard by people like that. A lot of foreclosures got held up in my state for about six years as a bank's case made its way through the federal courts so when that was resolved and a bunch of houses in my hood hit the market all within months of each other with the bank needing to get them off their books, I just happened to have been in a position to move on it.
 
Only because the spit hadn't hit the fan yet.

No down payment???

Please.

:hm

And interest-only payments! Sell in a few years, make a bundle! Real estate always goes up!
 
I stopped associating with an acquaintance because of his mortgage. He had a wife and kid and he took a mortgage that was totally impossible. When he told me the monthly, I made a noise. It was twice what he could expect to reliably pay each month. I couldn't stick around and watch it happen. I hope he got through it okay.

It's sad when money drives people apart.
 
Sure but at the same time, I knew a lot of poor people who didn't lose their homes and a lot of middle class people trying to live like upper middle class people who did. It wasn't just the mortgage. It was the new cars, the new clothes, eating out all the time on plastic, strip out their equity to pay those off, rinse and repeat until the recession kept them from getting that last life-saving refinance because credit was locked down and there was no more rungs up on the equity ladder. I have not been in my house a long time, but I certainly could not have afforded it had the recession not happened and my city in general and my neighborhood in particular having been hit extremely hard by people like that. A lot of foreclosures got held up in my state for about six years as a bank's case made its way through the federal courts so when that was resolved and a bunch of houses in my hood hit the market all within months of each other with the bank needing to get them off their books, I just happened to have been in a position to move on it.

The problem is that the criteria for loans is being decided by politics instead of by the market. It's like student loans today, where you can get a 50k loan for a degree in Lesbian Dance Theory, because "everyone deserves to go to college".
 
Bloomberg once blamed end of '''redlining''' for 2008 collapse



I'm in real estate, and he's 100% correct. In the run up to the crash, banks were handing out mortgages like candy to anyone with a pulse. But, like his comments on inner city gun violence, it is extremely politically incorrect to state the truth if the truth disparages minorities in any way whatsoever.

I really hope he qualifies for the debate in Nevada. I'm looking forward to seeing the other commies pile on this wannabe autocrat.

Actually he's overwhelmingly wrong; of all the subprime mortgage origination/volumes, private lending accounted for the vast majority (84% origination rate as of 2006), and Fannie and Freddy in the post-mortem along with other GSEs, were found to have played no considerable role; indeed their exposure to the subprime market declined dramatically as it progressed to bursting: Subprime mortgage crisis - Wikipedia

Moreover it is notable that a similar bubble occurred in commercial real estate as well, which had absolutely zero exposure to Fannie and Freddy, GSEs or government sponsored insurance/guarantees.

Ultimately the foundations of the 2007-8 crisis are attributable to an almost total vacuum of regulation regarding lending standards and the wide proliferation of utterly irresponsible (and predatory) NINJA/subprime mortgages that were effectively ticking timebombs with teaser rates and literally no credit oversight or money down required (and no, this sort of extreme risk taking was not obligated by government programs whatsoever). In truth, private lenders (the Countrywide division of Bank of America most notoriously) spearheaded this drive towards dangerously under-qualified lending, and others followed due to competitive pressures.

Then you had the intermediary stage of bad mortgages being bundled into horrible collateralized debt bundles whose ratings were grossly and inanely inflated by rating agencies in an epic conflict of interest where said agencies were paid by their clients (the banks), thus obscuring the actual risk, while said banks unloaded these shoddy financial products on an unsuspecting public, including their own clients, in many cases clearly knowing full and well their dangerous, risky and toxic nature (featuring such colourful internal references to these securitizations as 'toxic waste' among the lowest quality tranches).

Beyond that was the end stage with another regulatory vacuum featuring derivatives authored by banks and major financial institutions which multiplied the risk presented by these toxic mortgages many times past the underlying mortgage valuation per the mechanism of CDOs and credit default swaps; this is what ultimately made the problem truly systemic and existential in scope and breadth. Essentially you had people on Wall Street making huge outsized bets that these housing prices would continue to go up: issuers of CDOs would get to collect effective (and handsome) premiums from their counterparties so long as the mortgages underlying the derivative didn't go tits up (in which case they would have to pay out, and this payout amount could vastly exceed the nominal value of those mortgages).


The idea that government programs and entities were overwhelmingly responsible for the financial crisis/Great Recession is mostly falsehood and utterly disingenuous revisionist history, meant to minimize and otherwise obscure the dominant and unmistakably seminal role of the private sector in bringing about this catastrophe. Naturally this effort to recast the origins of the crisis derive from political and economic motives that seek to blunt the case for financial sector reform and increased government oversight and regulation.
 
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The problem is that the criteria for loans is being decided by politics instead of by the market. It's like student loans today, where you can get a 50k loan for a degree in Lesbian Dance Theory, because "everyone deserves to go to college".

Investment involves risk though. Part of what allows this to happen is you can have online lenders from much farther away than it used to be that just look at numbers on a piece of paper who may not know as well as a local bank, hummmmmm this property may not be the best thing for us to be stuck with when we have to foreclose.
 
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