Bitter Divisiveness Today Caused by Obama And Company

[code1211]

It's like Trump supporters have the memory of a gold fish. Like they can't remember the last ten years, and the outright belligerence showed to Obama from day one.

It's like they think they were this sweet and innocent people that gave him a fair shake, like they are asking for now.

Difference is, Obama wasn't a slime ball and deserved a fair shake. Trump deserved prison before he even declared his candidacy.

Now Trump Supporters are asking for something they don't deserve and never gave.

**** em.

I hope the next President deports the lot of Trump supporters, that'll make America Great Again. Send em back to Europe. Not our problem if they don't know the languages, and lack any kind of support structure when they arrive.

Obama wasn't a slime ball?

Interesting lack of understanding in your post.

 

[code1211]

Actually I don't think that is what was the major contributor. It might have had some effect but I don't think its near close to the top. Obama had a habit of supporting things that he shouldn't have. Like saying that if he'd had a son he'd look like Trayvon. Giving support to the BLM even after it was found out how much they lied or used false/misleading statistics while essentially ****ting on cops.

All that said, Trump certainly hasn't made things any better that is for sure. And that graph is being misused by MrWonderful and has lied about what it actually says. The 86% he cites is in 2017. The graph doesn't say when in 2017 it was made and since MrWonderful didn't provide a link it is not possible to find out when it came out unless you search the Pew Research site. In addition to that even if it was at the beginning of 2017 that still leaves a full year (all of 2016) in which Trump was campaigning and being elected. Saying all the crap that he said contributed to that 86%. If the poll was taken at the end of each year then that would be two full years in which Trump has had an influence on that 86%. All of that is of course under the assumption that either one (Obama or Trump) is solely responsible for the divisiveness. Reality shows that they are not solely responsible. A contributing factor certainly. But not the sole factor.

In the end, what that graph ACTUALLY shows is that the divisiveness between Americans has risen. It does not show how or why it has risen. It does not attribute blame to anyone. It simply shows that divisiveness has grown in the US. Period. That's it.

The major moves in the sentiments shown on the graph were made by about 2013.

 

[code1211]

Funny you seem to be regurgitating left wing nut sewage



When did Mitch McConnell say he wanted to make Obama a one-term president?

Usually, facts will undermine talking points.

Good post!

 

[Helix]

#buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutObama!

:lol:

lol. i needed some weekend funnies.

 

[Cameron]

The bitter divisiveness across the United States can be laid at the doorstep of Barack Obama and all his henchmen, from the top down.

A Pew Research Poll shows divisiveness at 46% in 2009. Under Obama, that divisiveness increased to 86%.
President Trump had NOTHING to do with it. Obama and his Democrats had everything to do with it, particularly when he promised to unite us under his *brilliant* leadership.

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Please, Obama was perhaps the least divisive president in modern history, in terms of what he said and actually did. His most divisive policy, healthcare, was a compromise that originated as a Republican idea. If you want to put blame on someone for divisiveness, it goes to the nutjob right-wing blogs that used Obama's 8 years in office to craft a countless string of conspiracy theories turning a soft-spoken, thoughtful, inspirational leader into some sort of anti-american, muslim dictator/traitor.

Obama promised to unite the country and was rewarded for that with a sweeping victory in 2008, and conservatives made it their mission in life to make sure that didn't happen. End of story.

8 years later, Trump promised to give conservatives everything they want, lost the popular vote, won the electoral vote by 80,000 votes, and has proceeded to implement as divisive policies as possible, all the while using the most divisive rhetoric of any president in modern history.

If you honestly don't see this, I don't know how to help you.

 

[code1211]

Oops! In the end, what that graph ACTUALLY SHOWS is that the divisiveness has risen DURING OBAMA'S INCOMPETENT TERM IN OFFICE!
HE preached bring us back together time and again, while doing exactly the opposite, time and again.
HE preached one thing and then said, "They bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
HE preached "They take the low road, we take the high road." It's NOT "the high road" to encourage our enemies, to encourage black youth to beat down whites, to encourage "The Knockout Game" by blacks, to preach hate and divisiveness.

Leftists meanwhile said any criticism of Incompetent Obama was "racism." Race-baiting and class warfare are two key ways the Left maintains its base and its hold on their fragile, hateful minds. How many photographs are circulated comparing Trump to orangatangs and Bush to monkeys, but Roseanne Barr makes ONE comment on Valerie Jarrett, who is from the middle east, and Roseanne loses her show. The hypocrisy of the Left is flagrant, sickening, deadly.

Obama was in an absolutely unique position to deliver an absolutely unique message to a very receptive audience.

He blew it.

He could have, SHOULD HAVE, been addressing the Black youth of our country every day at every opportunity with one, singular message:

Whatever your situation and whatever the cause of it, put that aside. You can improve and you can rise in this, the greatest country in the world. Look at me. I did it. You can, too.

Instead, his message was this: Whitey is your enemy and you are lost before you start. You can't win and you never will. You're screwed. This country hates you and your life and your hopes are a lost cause.

If he had delivered the message of hope instead of divison, he could have then exhorted EVERYONE to unite as Americans to make a better country in a better world.

Instead he proclaimed in every breath that there were powerful forces stopping those who he loved and he was going to fight against those powerful forces.

Pathetic!

 

[MrWonderful]

Difference is, Obama wasn't a slime ball and deserved a fair shake. Trump deserved prison before he even declared his candidacy.

Ronald Reagan "deserved a fair shake" too. He was a decent and honorable man. What did you Leftists say about Reagan?
"A third rate actor."
"He's going to start World War III."
"Stupid"
"Cut taxes for the rich"

George Bush was a decent and honorable man.
Leftists paraded in protest, hanging him in effigy.
He was caricatured as Hitler, fascist, a Nazi over and over again.

You Leftists would be speechless if you couldn't call us "Nazis" and "fascists" and "racists" and "stupid."

I hope the next President deports the lot of Trump supporters, that'll make America Great Again. Send em back to Europe. Not our problem if they don't know the languages, and lack any kind of support structure when they arrive.

"I don't speak Austrian." - Barack Obama, again embarrassing himself in Europe, ignorant of the fact that German is the language of Austria
"I've been to like 57 states. Two more to go." - Barack Obama, genius
"The time for come has changed." - Barack Obama, not fluent in English

 

[MrWonderful]

Obama was in an absolutely unique position to deliver an absolutely unique message to a very receptive audience.

He blew it.

He could have, SHOULD HAVE, been addressing the Black youth of our country every day at every opportunity with one, singular message:

Whatever you situation and whatever the cause of it, put that aside. You can improve and you can rise in this, the greatest country in the world. Look at me. I did it. You can, too.

Instead, his message was this: Whitey is your enemy and you are lost before you start. You can't win and you never will. You're screwed. This country hates you and your life and your hopes are a lost cause.

If he had delivered the message of hope instead of divison, he could have then exhorted EVERYONE to unite as Americans to make a better country in a better world.

Instead he proclaimed in every breath that there were powerful forces stopping those who he loved and he was going to fight against those powerful forces.

Pathetic!

But wait, the "Red Line in the Sand"! You forgot about how well that brilliant strategy worked!

 

[code1211]

Please, Obama was perhaps the least divisive president in modern history, in terms of what he said and actually did. His most divisive policy, healthcare, was a compromise that originated as a Republican idea. If you want to put blame on someone for divisiveness, it goes to the nutjob right-wing blogs that used Obama's 8 years in office to craft a countless string of conspiracy theories turning a soft-spoken, thoughtful, inspirational leader into some sort of anti-american, muslim dictator/traitor.

Obama promised to unite the country and was rewarded for that with a sweeping victory in 2008, and conservatives made it their mission in life to make sure that didn't happen. End of story.

8 years later, Trump promised to give conservatives everything they want, lost the popular vote, won the electoral vote by 80,000 votes, and has proceeded to implement as divisive policies as possible, all the while using the most divisive rhetoric of any president in modern history.

If you honestly don't see this, I don't know how to help you.

The Pacers scored more points than the Cavs in their playoff series and yet lost more games.

The Cavs advance because they won according to the rules in place when the series was played.

I'm so sick to death of the whining of the leftists here about the popular vote.

THE POPULAR VOTE MEANS NOTHING OUTSIDE OF THE STATE IN WHICH THAT POPULAR VOTE IS COUNTED.

There might have been as many as 10% of Obama's addresses in which he did NOT set up an us vs them analogy. I can't think of any right now.

THAT is dividing. He did all the time in all words, actions and thoughts. That is the way the guy is built.

 

[Cameron]

Obama was in an absolutely unique position to deliver an absolutely unique message to a very receptive audience.

He blew it.

He could have, SHOULD HAVE, been addressing the Black youth of our country every day at every opportunity with one, singular message:

Whatever you situation and whatever the cause of it, put that aside. You can improve and you can rise in this, the greatest country in the world. Look at me. I did it. You can, too.

You mean like this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-for-african-americans-idUSTRE56G06K20090717
https://www.thedailybeast.com/brilliant-speech-by-obama-ugly-reaction-by-drudge
Obama Gave a "Tough Love" Speech Before Leaving Kenya, but do Black People Really Need His Lectures?

“[T]here are some things, as black men, we can only do for ourselves. . . . we know that too many young men in our community continue to make bad choices. And I have to say, growing up, I made quite a few myself. Sometimes I wrote off my own failings as just another example of the world trying to keep a black man down. I had a tendency sometimes to make excuses for me not doing the right thing. But one of the things that all of you have learned over the last four years is that there’s no longer any room for excuses … Nobody cares how tough your upbringing was. Nobody cares if you’ve suffered some discrimination.” ~ Obama

Instead, his message was this: Whitey is your enemy and you are lost before you start. You can't win and you never will. You're screwed. This country hates you and your life and your hopes are a lost cause.

He has literally never said anything to that effect. The one thing conservatives most frequently cite is his comment about Trayvon Martin. God forbid. As if Trump hasn't made a million times more tongue-in-cheek undercover racist remarks only 1.5 years into his presidency. Yet Obama is the divisive one.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Both sides are just as guilty as the other when it comes to smearing.

The television talking heads, web sites, talk show hosts, and politicians will all pick the slightest incident to inflate the level of hostility that goes on.

Some of the usual thread makers on here are a prime example.

 

[Cameron]

The Pacers scored more points than the Cavs in their playoff series and yet lost more games.

The Cavs advance because they won according to the rules in place when the series was played.

I'm so sick to death of the whining of the leftists here about the popular vote.

THE POPULAR VOTE MEANS NOTHING OUTSIDE OF THE STATE IN WHICH THAT POPULAR VOTE IS COUNTED.

This thread is about divisiveness, and whether your policies are supported by the majority is a key indicator of divisiveness.

You should be sick and tired about people minimizing the fact that Trump did not win a majority of the vote, and yet is governing as if he has a conservative mandate.

There might have been as many as 10% of Obama's addresses in which he did NOT set up an us vs them analogy.

Please, quote me a single us/them speech. Should be easy to find given your comment.

 

[code1211]

But wait, the "Red Line in the Sand"! You forgot about how well that brilliant strategy worked!

Obama was absolutely clear in his words. He could really turn a phrase and delivered his lines perfectly.

Sadly, if any action involved a move that strayed outside the lines of his comfort zone which was to hate Republicans or divide our society to advance his interests, he was lost.

The Red Line was one of many in which he thought that a stern look alone would carry the day.

His flexibility promised to Putin seems to have caused quite a stir and that stir is not at all noted by his acolytes in the press.

Most "flexible" backbone any US President ever showed.

 

[MrWonderful]

Both sides are just as guilty as the other when it comes to smearing.

.

Stop it. That is not REMOTELY TRUE.

YOU CANNOT NAME ONE HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITY who held up a severed head of Barack Obama or Bill Clinton as Kathy Griffin did of Trump.

YOU CANNOT NAME ONE HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITY who advocated kidnapping a child of the Obamas and putting that child in prison with a bunch of pedophiles,
or who advocated blowing up the White House with Obama in it, or "being the next actor to assassinate a president."

People have lost their jobs for threatening assassination of Trump, not Obama, TRUMP.

You cannot name one conservative arrested for trying to shoot a bunch of Democrat congressmen at a baseball game.
And on and on and on.

You should be ASHAMED of yourself for being a veteran and trying to pull off crap such as that. But you aren't. Evil is like that.

 

[MrWonderful]

This thread is about divisiveness, and whether your policies are supported by the majority is a key indicator of divisiveness.

The "and" nonsense is what YOU added on. Obama promised to unite us. He did just the opposite, and you continue the bitter legacy of the bitter couple.
"All this for a flag?" - Michelle being disrespectful of the national anthem and flag raising
"I know." - Obama agreeing with his equally hateful harridan

You should be sick and tired about people minimizing the fact that Trump did not win a majority of the vote, and yet is governing as if he has a conservative mandate.
.

YOU PEOPLE should be sick and tired of your own vitriol, your hatred, your "racism" "fascism" "Nazi" name-calling, and protest marches of hate, carried live by the fawning left-wing mainstream media, day after day.
YOU PEOPLE should be sick and tired of hearing violent threats from Robert Deniro and Peter Fonda and Madonna and college professors who brainwash impressionable snowflakes, making many more hundreds of thousands of anti-American liberals. But you aren't.

What part of "PRESIDENT TRUMP" don't you understand?

"Elections have consequences. We won. You lost. Deal with it."- Barack Obama, whose words were pretty cute and appealing to you back in 2009
Not so much today, eh?

"If you don't like it, elect your own president next time." - Barack Obama in his usual smartass way
We did!

"At least I WAS president." - Obama giggling when he predicted that Trump WOULD NOT be president

Who's giggling now? NOT YOU PEOPLE, that's for sure.

 

[Cameron]

The "and" nonsense is what YOU added on. Obama promised to unite us. He did just the opposite, and you continue the bitter legacy of the bitter couple.
"All this for a flag?" - Michelle being disrespectful of the national anthem and flag raising
"I know." - Obama agreeing with his equally hateful harridan




What part of "PRESIDENT TRUMP" don't you understand?

"Elections have consequences. We won. You lost. Deal with it."- Barack Obama, whose words were pretty cute and appealing to you back in 2009
Not so much today, eh?

"If you don't like it, elect your own president next time." - Barack Obama in his usual smartass way
We did!

"At least I WAS president." - Obama giggling when he predicted that Trump WOULD NOT be president

Who's giggling now? NOT YOU PEOPLE, that's for sure.

Hilarious that you complain about divisiveness while calling a first lady a "harridan" and referring repeatedly to "YOU PEOPLE." Seems like a little self-reflection is in order, if you are honestly disturbed by divisiveness.

 

[ttwtt78640]

This thread is about divisiveness, and whether your policies are supported by the majority is a key indicator of divisiveness.

You should be sick and tired about people minimizing the fact that Trump did not win a majority of the vote, and yet is governing as if he has a conservative mandate.

Please, quote me a single us/them speech. Should be easy to find given your comment.

That, of course, ignores that the slightly more popular Hillary (from an excess of popular votes in NY and CA?) represented the party that does not hold a majority in either the House or the Senate.

 

[MrWonderful]

Hilarious that you complain about divisiveness while calling a first lady a "harridan" and referring repeatedly to "YOU PEOPLE." Seems like a little self-reflection is in order, if you are honestly disturbed by divisiveness.

"Harridan" is not calling her a name. It is describing her accurately.
I haven't hit anyone over the head with a six pound bike lock, while wearing a black mask, like college lecturer, Eric Clanton did. His trial for attempted murder is August 8.

I haven't rioted and set cars aflame, like your side did.

I haven't threatened the Obamas with murder or kidnapping one of their daughters as your side did to Trump.

For you to even ATTEMPT to equate the word "harridan" with the vile felonies and other actions that your side takes on a daily basis shows just how desperate and dishonest your side is.

 

[CriticalThought]

The bitter divisiveness across the United States can be laid at the doorstep of Barack Obama and all his henchmen, from the top down.

A Pew Research Poll shows divisiveness at 46% in 2009. Under Obama, that divisiveness increased to 86%.
President Trump had NOTHING to do with it. Obama and his Democrats had everything to do with it, particularly when he promised to unite us under his *brilliant* leadership.

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Before there was TDS there was ODS.

 

[Cameron]

That, of course, ignores that the slightly more popular Hillary (from an excess of popular votes in NY and CA?) represented the party that does not hold a majority in either the House or the Senate.

I don't think it ignores it. The point is that national leaders should govern with reference to the will of the majority. We are a 50-50 country, and neither side once in power should be pushing to get 100% of what they want. Until both sides learn that, this country will continue to go down the tubes.

 

[Cameron]

"Harridan" is not calling her a name. It is describing her accurately.
I haven't hit anyone over the head with a six pound bike lock, while wearing a black mask, like college lecturer, Eric Clanton did. His trial for attempted murder is August 8.

I haven't rioted and set cars aflame, like your side did.

I haven't threatened the Obamas with murder or kidnapping one of their daughters as your side did to Trump.

For you to even ATTEMPT to equate the word "harridan" with the vile felonies and other actions that your side takes on a daily basis shows just how desperate and dishonest your side is.

I didn't equate the word "harridan" with any "vile felonies." For you to equate the felonies of a few people and attribute it to approximately 50% of the country is ridiculous and the epitome of a divisive statement.

 

[Perotista]

The bitter divisiveness across the United States can be laid at the doorstep of Barack Obama and all his henchmen, from the top down.

A Pew Research Poll shows divisiveness at 46% in 2009. Under Obama, that divisiveness increased to 86%.
President Trump had NOTHING to do with it. Obama and his Democrats had everything to do with it, particularly when he promised to unite us under his *brilliant* leadership.

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If you look at your chart, that divisiveness was there in 2004 with 66% of the country stating we are more divided. the election of Obama brought us together a bit, down to 46%. But it didn't last and divisiveness rose to 86% in 2017, the highest on your chart.

You're correct that the divisiveness was in place prior to Trump, but one can't say it was all Obama's fault either. It was there during Bush, only not so much. Going from 46-86 under Obama is true. But it went from 66% under Bush up to 86% under Obama, a rise of 20 points instead of 40. The divisiveness was there during Bush, Obama enhanced it some.

 

[code1211]

You mean like this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-for-african-americans-idUSTRE56G06K20090717
https://www.thedailybeast.com/brilliant-speech-by-obama-ugly-reaction-by-drudge
Obama Gave a "Tough Love" Speech Before Leaving Kenya, but do Black People Really Need His Lectures?

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He has literally never said anything to that effect. The one thing conservatives most frequently cite is his comment about Trayvon Martin. God forbid. As if Trump hasn't made a million times more tongue-in-cheek undercover racist remarks only 1.5 years into his presidency. Yet Obama is the divisive one.

Yes, those messages are the kind I would have like to have heard much more.

Those messages sound pretty similar to the messages my dad gave me on a nearly daily basis in my teens.

 

[Cameron]

Yes, those messages are the kind I would have like to have heard much more.

Those messages sound pretty similar to the messages my dad gave me on a nearly daily basis in my teens.

Just want to say I appreciate this post.

 

[Lovebug]

The Obama campaign has repeatedly claimed it has been the target of dirty tricks by the Clinton team. A senior member of her staff, Bill Shaheen, had to resign last year after raising Obama's admitted use of marijuana and cocaine as a youth.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/25/barackobama.hillaryclinton

Painting Obama As Not ‘Fundamentally American’
Throughout the 2008 election season, racist and bigoted smears about Barack Obama circulated online, and bubbled up into mainstream conversation about the campaign in the traditional news media. Two of the most prominent lies about Obama, which persist to this day, were that he is secretly a Muslim (playing on fear-mongering and bigotry about Islam), and that he was not really born in America. Both of these ideas paint Obama as “other” and outside the mainstream, drawing their potency from fears about Black people gaining power. People generally associate these memes with the right wing. But the truth is that for the entire Democratic primary, not only did Hillary Clinton’s campaign do nothing to push back against the racist fear-mongering about Obama, it actually fed this atmosphere and helped it grow. It was a part of their strategy from early in the campaign.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-rucker/can-black-people-trust-hillary_b_9312004.html