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Bill to remove short barreled rifles from NFA.

Maccabee

Maccabee

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I'm personally skeptical about it passing after what happened to the hearing protection act and national reciprocity for carry permits, but I'd thought it'll be a nice topic to discuss. I personally don't see any issue with. We already have AR pistols with arm braces that can act like a stock so the NFA is mostly defunct anyway is this regard.
 
It would be great if it passed, but it won't. The Democrats and most Republicans would never vote for it.
 
Maccabee said:
I'm personally skeptical about it passing after what happened to the hearing protection act and national reciprocity for carry permits, but I'd thought it'll be a nice topic to discuss. I personally don't see any issue with. We already have AR pistols with arm braces that can act like a stock so the NFA is mostly defunct anyway is this regard.
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Leftist wussies are scared to death of guns and stupidly think making guns illegal will force thugs to lay their guns down like good little boys.
 
Maccabee said:
I'm personally skeptical about it passing after what happened to the hearing protection act and national reciprocity for carry permits, but I'd thought it'll be a nice topic to discuss. I personally don't see any issue with. We already have AR pistols with arm braces that can act like a stock so the NFA is mostly defunct anyway is this regard.
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Can you cite the actual legislation? It would be nice to see what the bill actually says.
 
marke said:
Leftist wussies are scared to death of guns and stupidly think making guns illegal will force thugs to lay their guns down like good little boys.
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Again you make it political, no-one is scared of guns par se, merely what allowing a (virtually) unrestricted supply of guns causes in terms of death and maiming.
 
Rich2018 said:
Again you make it political, no-one is scared of guns par se, merely what allowing a (virtually) unrestricted supply of guns causes in terms of death and maiming.
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Please.

Okay.. please explain how if my rifle barrel is 15 and 1/2 inches its appreciably more dangerous than when my rifle barrel is 16 inches.

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jaeger19 said:
Please.

Okay.. please explain how if my rifle barrel is 15 and 1/2 inches its appreciably more dangerous than when my rifle barrel is 16 inches.

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It's not, and I didn't say it was.

I guess the government wants to draw the line somewhere and a restriction of rifle barrel lengths probably affects restrictions on shotgun barrel lengths.

You may be OK with a very short length shotgun barrel but I am not OK with that.
 
Rich2018 said:
It's not, and I didn't say it was.

I guess the government wants to draw the line somewhere and a restriction of rifle barrel lengths probably affects restrictions on shotgun barrel lengths.

You may be OK with a very short length shotgun barrel but I am not OK with that.
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Why?

Is it more deadly?
 
It's actually much safer, at least in a home defense situation. In some instances, trying to use any kind of "long gun" becomes problematic in close quarters, thus a shorter barrel might just ensure that you get the important shot at the right time.

I think they need to relax the rules about sawed off shotguns, too.

Respectfully,
Checkerboard Strangler - lefty gun owner
 
Maccabee said:
I'm personally skeptical about it passing after what happened to the hearing protection act and national reciprocity for carry permits, but I'd thought it'll be a nice topic to discuss. I personally don't see any issue with. We already have AR pistols with arm braces that can act like a stock so the NFA is mostly defunct anyway is this regard.
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I can keep that sawed off shotgun Santa brought me?
 
Rich2018 said:
That's not what I meant.

Sawed-off shotgun - Wikipedia


This is what I mean
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Like I said and has been told to you a gazillion times: they aren't illegal to own...

Under the National Firearms Act (NFA), it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun (a shotgun with a barrel length shorter than 18 inches (46 cm) or a minimum overall length of the weapon, total. including the 18 inch minimum barrel, of under 26 inches (66 cm)) (under U.S.C. Title II), without a tax-paid registration from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, requiring a background check and either a $200 or $5 tax for every transfer,
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Maccabee said:
I'm personally skeptical about it passing after what happened to the hearing protection act and national reciprocity for carry permits,
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We still can get national reciprocity and the hearing protection act passed, especially if Trump gets elected for a 2nd term.
 
Rich2018 said:
It's not, and I didn't say it was.

I guess the government wants to draw the line somewhere and a restriction of rifle barrel lengths probably affects restrictions on shotgun barrel lengths.

You may be OK with a very short length shotgun barrel but I am not OK with that.
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Why not? A longer barreled shotgun is particularly more dangerous at long ranges.
 
They SHOULD pass it. The laws as currently constituted are just...dumb.

This is perfectly legal with no special provisions

zastava M92.webp

and this is also perfectly legal with no special provisions

zastave M92 with brace.webp

But THIS is illegal without a tax stamp and a permit.

zastava M92 with a stock.webp
 
Fledermaus said:
Why?

Is it more deadly?
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Rich hates legal gun ownership. He won't support any law that makes it easier for people to own guns. No rational reason for it. He just hates people being able to own firearms.
 
DebateChallenge said:
We still can get national reciprocity and the hearing protection act passed, especially if Trump gets elected for a 2nd term.
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Reciprocity is very important because this mish-mosh of competing and differing state regs is the height of stupidity.
A law abiding gun owner WANTS TO BE law abiding.
What a surprise!!

How can they be with a withering maze of ridiculous state and even intra-state regulations that cannot possibly be reconciled.
I don't mind so much if they set the standard high. If I have to study, practice, train and keep everything squeaky clean, I'll do it.

But I never want to have to feel the way I felt driving back from Tulsa Oklahoma to California with my legal pistol stored in the back compartment of our van. These days, if you're a senior traveling across country with a disabled wife, it might be pretty important to have protection with you...protection you can actually USE.

I shouldn't have to worry about my right to keep a piece stored where I can access it in an emergency to protect my wife.
I am squeaky clean, I am well trained, I am sane and rational and I do abide by the law.
And if I pass the smell test in one state, it should be good enough for all fifty.
After all, most if not all states now have no problem with reciprocity when it comes to traffic violation fines and warrants, do they?
 
Rich2018 said:
It's not, and I didn't say it was.

I guess the government wants to draw the line somewhere and a restriction of rifle barrel lengths probably affects restrictions on shotgun barrel lengths.

You may be OK with a very short length shotgun barrel but I am not OK with that.
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Do you know that this weapon is PERFECTLY legal with no tax stamp or provisions?

14 shotgun.webp

As is this

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?
 
TurtleDude said:
Rich hates legal gun ownership. He won't support any law that makes it easier for people to own guns. No rational reason for it. He just hates people being able to own firearms.
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Okayfinewhatever but what truly makes no sense is the fact that, even if you pose a clear case of "him or me" and "HIM" is an armed criminal who has made it clear they intend to kill you, Rich STILL objects to the notion that you might exercise your "right to stay alive".

Sorry Rich, if it's him or me, I will always vote for ME, and if that means "him" is so evil and so stupid that they want to risk their life by threatening mine, so be it. The choice to die belongs to "him" because I made my choice to survive by any means necessary.
 
Rich2018 said:
Again you make it political, no-one is scared of guns par se, merely what allowing a (virtually) unrestricted supply of guns causes in terms of death and maiming.
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What is the price of freedom? If God-fearing Americans can volunteer to go to war overseas and risk their lives to protect Americans at home you would think weenies at home would be willing to take some risks to guaranteed the 2nd amendment rights of those God-fearing Americans when they return home.
 
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