Bill Maher interviews Megyn Kelly.

[Oborosen]

Oh you're back to calling everyone Eppstein loyalists? I've never in 20 years of politics seen anyone in person or in the internet talk about how great they find Eppstein. I did see a bunch of pictures and videos of your cult leader with him.

Is that your game? If you call everyone Eppstein loyalists without backing it up it'll make Trump's friendship with a serial pedophile less spectacular? You reek of desperation.

Seeing as you can't actually smell me. The game here is up, you're just too tired of a poster here Rabid.
You act like a child at the drop of a hat, you add nothing to the conversation and when I use your own rules against you. You puff up with the same hot air that you always do, but to no avail.

I've just done so because it shows just how weak your argument is. If you can't handle that, then I think you don't actually need to try your hand at online debates for a few days.

Take a vacation, read a book, go fishing. Hell, take another trip to Little St James for all I care.

Because after all is said and done, we're both just going to be stuck behind our keyboards and at no worse for wear.

You have supplied nothing and can still supply nothing that can actually effect me.

Yet I know that I can upset you by just playing by your own rules.

 

[Master Debator]

The vast majority of dems love Maher, and agree with his criticism of the far left, as do I.


My criticism of the right is that they always try and portray the far left as your "typical liberal"

I don't know if the vast majority of dems love Maher, I've watched him since Politically Incorrect, which means I started watching him when I was around 12 years old, so I kind of grew up with Maher. And Dennis Miller, loved his HBO show even though I understood only about a third of he was saying. My problem with Maher is he goes after the left a lot harder than he goes after people like Kelly who, while the victim of horrible sexism and sexual assault, is also a racist who used words like 'thugs" and "terrorists" to describe BLM and used her time at Fox to spread fear of minorities and immigrants. I don't hate Maher, and I think he's an excellent interviewer, one of the best, but punches down way too often while smarming up to other celebrities even if they're despicable like Megan Kelly. He's the poster child of liberal elitism.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Seeing as you can't actually smell me. The game here is up, you're just too tired of a poster here Rabid.
You act like a child at the drop of a hat, you add nothing to the conversation and when I use your own rules against you. You puff up with the same hot air that you always do, but to no avail.

I've just done so because it shows just how weak your argument is. If you can't handle that, then I think you don't actually need to try your hand at online debates for a few days.

Take a vacation, read a book, go fishing. Hell, take another trip to Little St James for all I care.

Because after all is said and done, we're both just going to be stuck behind our keyboards and at no worse for wear.

You have supplied nothing and can still supply nothing that can actually effect me.

Yet I know that I can upset you by just playing by your own rules.

LOL, you have the gall to call me childish after attacking me as an "Eppstein loyalist"? Wtf does that even mean? What are you even basing that in?

You can't argue in merit so you just make up nonsense.

 

[Craig234]

The vast majority of dems love Maher, and agree with his criticism of the far left, as do I.


My criticism of the right is that they always try and portray the far left as your "typical liberal"

There is no 'far left' in the Democratic Party. There are progressives and corporatists (witting or unwitting). Bill is something like a pro-pot corporatist and he has quite a fondness for the right while claiming to be liberal; his closest friend appears to be Ann Coulter, who he demands his audience be nice to and thanks over and over if she and other righties come on the show.

Your 'vast majority' is wishful thinking by you (and happily for the country, wrong). There's a reason Bernie is #1.

 

[Craig234]

I made that comment based on what I have seen from his audience in the past. To Maher's credit, most of the time when that happens he steps up and says something to them.

To Maher's credit... no, it's not. Who knows his motive, but likely suspects are sympathy for the right, a desire to boost his ratings by having right-wing guests on, and betraying his 'liberal's clothing' hostility to his audience's anti-right views.

 

[AProudLefty]

You must have skipped right over the thousands of posts & threads on here about typical conservatives.

But yes, both sides are just as guilty.

Oh brother. :roll:

What a way to miss the point and the topic.

 

[AProudLefty]

there is no 'far left' in the democratic party. There are progressives and corporatists (witting or unwitting). Bill is something like a pro-pot corporatist and he has quite a fondness for the right while claiming to be liberal; his closest friend appears to be ann coulter, who he demands his audience be nice to and thanks over and over if she and other righties come on the show.

Your 'vast majority' is wishful thinking by you (and happily for the country, wrong). There's a reason bernie is #1.

hahahahhahahaha

 

[Craig234]

I've mostly stopped watching Maher unless there's a guest I'd like to see, which there often is. Wish they kept the show and renamed it 'Real Time without Bill Maher'.

But he has excellent humor and content on occasion - his running bit on the right-wing bubble with an actual bubble was wonderful.

 

[AProudLefty]

God the posts in this thread are so hilarious.

 

[Craig234]

God the posts in this thread are so hilarious.

hahahahahahahaahaha

 

[AProudLefty]

hahahahahahahaahaha

Exactly. I'm still chuckling. That is why I come here every day.

 

[OscarLevant]

There is no 'far left' in the Democratic Party. There are progressives and corporatists (witting or unwitting). Bill is something like a pro-pot corporatist and he has quite a fondness for the right while claiming to be liberal; his closest friend appears to be Ann Coulter, who he demands his audience be nice to and thanks over and over if she and other righties come on the show.

Your 'vast majority' is wishful thinking by you (and happily for the country, wrong). There's a reason Bernie is #1.

Yes, there does exist the 'far left" watch Portlandia. The characterizations may seem cartoonish, but I know people like that. Indeed, "far left". By that, Maher is not really referring to the spectrum, he's referring to some terrible things extreme progressives do that isn't right, such as denying someone a forum on college campus, just because the views of the person wanting to give a speech has a philosophy or views incompatable with that of the Campus, and other things, like some kind of purity test for candidates, if adhered to, might nominate someone completely unelectable ( like Nader was unelectable ). etc.

Given your comment, in my view you misunderstand Maher completely.

I'm voting for Bernie, by the way. When I say "vast majority" I'm not referring to progressives, I'm referring to the majority do not identify as socialist.

I'm a progressive, but not a socialist. I don't even believe Bernie is a true socialist, that is why I can vote for him, and I know a few true soclalists, and to those guys, we are right wingers.

Maher welcomes anyone on his show who is willing to appear. He's for civility. He respects Coulter because she willing to appear on a show whose audience's views are anathema to hers, and she knows it. I don't like her, personally, but I give her credit for appearing on his show..

 

[OscarLevant]

I don't know if the vast majority of dems love Maher, I've watched him since Politically Incorrect, which means I started watching him when I was around 12 years old, so I kind of grew up with Maher. And Dennis Miller, loved his HBO show even though I understood only about a third of he was saying. My problem with Maher is he goes after the left a lot harder than he goes after people like Kelly who, while the victim of horrible sexism and sexual assault, is also a racist who used words like 'thugs" and "terrorists" to describe BLM and used her time at Fox to spread fear of minorities and immigrants. I don't hate Maher, and I think he's an excellent interviewer, one of the best, but punches down way too often while smarming up to other celebrities even if they're despicable like Megan Kelly. He's the poster child of liberal elitism.

YOu must be young. I was in my 40s when Politically Incorrect was on TV.

Dennis Miller is a right winger. He's not even funny.

Maher goes after the left because he is acutely aware of their shortcomings, which the right will hammer them with it. He does this because he wants to improve the left.

Going after the right is a given, but it doesn't really help his cause ( and that of the left ) as much as trying to prevent the left from being their own worst enemy.

I don't think Megyn is despicable, just worthy of criticism. She's a right winger, and harbors views that are typical on the right, which I do not support. Maher was soft on her, and yes, he deserves criticism for that. No one bats a 1000 in this world.

I would reserve the "despicable" adjective for persons like Donald Trump because to toss it at Megyn would rather diminish it's weight, when using it against Trump.

 

[Craig234]

Yes, there does exist the 'far left" watch Portlandia. The characterizations may seem cartoonish, but I know people like that. Indeed, "far left". By that, Maher is not really referring to the spectrum, he's referring to some terrible things extreme progressives do that isn't right, such as denying someone a forum on college campus, just because the views of the person wanting to give a speech has a philosophy or views incompatable with that of the Campus, and other things, like some kind of purity test for candidates, if adhered to, might nominate someone completely unelectable ( like Nader was unelectable ). etc.

Given your comment, in my view you misunderstand Maher completely.

I'm voting for Bernie, by the way. When I say "vast majority" I'm not referring to progressives, I'm referring to the majority do not identify as socialist.

I'm a progressive, but not a socialist. I don't even believe Bernie is a true socialist, that is why I can vote for him, and I know a few true soclalists, and to those guys, we are right wingers.

Maher welcomes anyone on his show who is willing to appear. He's for civility. He respects Coulter because she willing to appear on a show whose audience's views are anathema to hers, and she knows it. I don't like her, personally, but I give her credit for appearing on his show..

Really, so I can be a guest on Maher's show? Or maybe you're wrong? How do you know who he doesn't invite and why? You're guessing as to why he 'respects' Coulter - but by the way, also calls her a close friend. I have a different idea why. She deserves no 'credit' for appearing on his show, which simply benefits her in terms of publicity. How exactly is she hurt by appearing? A few boos, maybe?

I don't think I misunderstand Maher much at all. But we do have somewhat different definitions of 'far left'. I think it means, basically, communists or socialists who want government ownership of all business. And that all but does not exist in American politics, well under one percent and essentially no power. But we agree about Bernie.

 

[OscarLevant]

Really, so I can be a guest on Maher's show? Or maybe you're wrong?

If you were someone who has a modicum of celebrity, either as an actor, musician, writer, activist, politician, opinion leader/pundit, or someone with some accomplishment who is in the news for some reason of interest and/or controversy, I see no reason you couldn't be on his show. But, correct me if I"m wrong, you do not fall into the above categories, eh?

Or maybe I'm right.

How do you know who he doesn't invite and why?

I don't, and your pinning me down on a general comment really isn't a point worth making.

You're guessing as to why he 'respects' Coulter - but by the way, also calls her a close friend. I have a different idea why. She deserves no 'credit' for appearing on his show, which simply benefits her in terms of publicity. How exactly is she hurt by appearing? A few boos, maybe?

I'm taking an deductive guess, sure. But, you don't really know, either, so why all the cynicism?

I don't think I misunderstand Maher much at all. But we do have somewhat different definitions of 'far left'. I think it means, basically, communists or socialists who want government ownership of all business. And that all but does not exist in American politics, well under one percent and essentially no power. But we agree about Bernie.

Democrats are not communists. There is another party for communists. The far left of the party are not communists, either.

When I say far left, I mean left wing radicals, the kind who would despise Warren for asserting she is a capitalist. The far left isn't just communists.

I know of no democratic socialist who would agree on the practicality of government ownership of all businesses. There is some debate among members on the viability of government ownership of strategic industries, but I don't know enough about it to have an opinion.

What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Doesn’t socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?
Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.

Basically, Dem Socialists would be extremely on the anti-trust side of things, breaking up the big corporate holding companies into their smaller counterparts.

I agree with that premise, but I don't agree with a gov takeover of the smaller parts of the large corporate holding companies. Let's say you have Starbucks. Starbucks has a very specific objective, and it's a big company. It's big, but it's not "too big to fail" big, and it's not a corporate holding company that owns a lot of unrelated enterprizes ( as far as I know, I'll have to double check on that ) so I don't have a problem with a big business like that. What we're against is, say "national general mega corporation" for example, that owns a lot of unrelated enterprises where the CEO of it just goes around and buying up companies for the sake of bigness, and thereby increasing their power to crowd out smaller operators. I believe a company's CEO should be focused on product and service, not going around and buying up companies for the sake of bigness.

But, that's just me. But, guys like Noam Chomsky want all companies to be employee owned, and run democratically. Dem Socialists believe with Chomsky, but I think that's naive. It doesn't account for the fact that whoever puts up the capital, they have the sole right to determine what the company's direction should be, what the companies products and services should be. If the owners want to get employee input, fine but someone must be in charge. In a sense, many big corporations are run somewhat democratically. When Uber did an IPO, they offered stock to their employees first. The board can oust a CEO with a vote, stockholders have voting and proxy rights.

However, no company has the right to exploit workers, and I am a strong believer in unions, workers rights, safe place to work, that sort of thing. That being said, unions must have good faith not to push a company into bankruptcy, either.

 

[Craig234]

I don't, and your pinning me down on a general comment really isn't a point worth making.

Or, the baseless general comment isn't. I don't think Maher is as open as you do, but I'll agree he does have a pretty wide variety of guests. Like I said, he does often have guests I'd like to see. He had Pelosi at the start of impeachment, which I'm sure his donating $2 million to the party didn't hurt to get.

Dem Socialists believe with Chomsky, but I think that's naive... The board can oust a CEO with a vote, stockholders have voting and proxy rights.

I'd say this textbook fantasy of how CEOs and boards work is what's a bit naive. I think your definition of 'far left' is like the definition of driving too fast: someone driving faster than you.