Biden maintains lead over 2020 contenders as Warren passes Sanders: poll

[Linc]

Right now, swing voters, ala independents, the non-affiliated, less to non-partisan with quite a lot of them not in either the pro or anti Trump camps are leaning heavily toward the democrats for 2020. Like they did in 2018 when independents went democratic 54-42 for the Democratic congressional candidates. This doesn't mean independents will continue to remain more or less in the Democratic camp. It's no secret they don't care much for Trump. The polls show this all the time in his job approval and in Trump's favorable/unfavorable's.

I think 2020 boils down as to whom the democrats nominate. Much like 2016, 2016 was an election for the Democrats to lose, so too is 2020. With the right candidate you could see a 15 point win in the presidential race and the Democrats retake the senate. With the wrong candidate, a repeat of 2016 is possible. It's up to the democrats to figure out who is the right candidate and who is the wrong candidate. I have my suspicions, but nothing that shows up in the numbers yet.

Have we ever had a potus election that no one will let go of? trump won’t. he and his cult are still running against both Clinton’s and Obama. They’ve got plenty of other Atwater boogie men also, such as AOC, with Rabbis beginning to agree with her.

You can expect a new round of crap from trump’s twitter and mouth on Sen. Warren shortly, since her stock is rising. Having debates this early should concern all Democrats and their leaners.

Serious question. How much of a difference do illegal immigrants make in picking the crop in your state and those surrounding you.

We’ll see if millions of those illegal farm and landscaping immigrants will be exported. It’s the big operators who need them, and it’s the big operators who are way behind in planting.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

You've bought the propaganda created by the billionaires who don't want to pay higher taxes.

Throwing loaded words out like "welfare" and "government handouts" are merely BS rationalizations to get ordinary Americans to fall in line with policies that the plutocrats favor -- namely, lower taxes on wealth paid by cutting programs for everyone else.

Social Security has no link at all to these "government handouts," since one has to have had to work in order to be eligible. Yet, Social Security is on the GOP chopping block list. Moreover, the best available research done by ( An Assessment of the Effectiveness of Anti-Poverty Programs in the United States ) show that the programs conservatives most wants to slash, Medicaid and food stamps, don’t have large negative effects on work effort either.


[FONT="]The greatest growth in the middle class came as a result of the New Deal policies, that taxed wealth heavily, encouraged labor unions, promoted a high minimum wage. What have conservatives done since then? They've reversed all of those policies and we witness a shrinking middle class and wider income inequality. [/FONT]

Sorry. I have been down this road too many times to buy into it again. The new deal was an absolute failure. Stealing most of the wealth from the people by taking their gold and then doubling the price is what FDR should be known for. Or giving the gold to his banker bodies when he gave them control of our currency. If Trump or Bush had lost our pacific fleet nobody would be cheering. WW2 was the boom to our economy and the lack of competition after words as the world rebuilt. Welfare is not SS which I support. It is the 3rd and 4th generation welfare recipients I think we need to do something about. Taking wealth from those that have earned it is not a solution but a crime.

 

[Perotista]

Have we ever had a potus election that no one will let go of? trump won’t. he and his cult are still running against both Clinton’s and Obama. They’ve got plenty of other Atwater boogie men also, such as AOC, with Rabbis beginning to agree with her.

You can expect a new round of crap �� from trump’s twitter and mouth on Sen. Warren shortly, since her stock is rising. Having debates this early should concern all Democrats and their leaners.

Serious question. How much of a difference do illegal immigrants make in picking the crop in your state and those surrounding you.

We’ll see if millions of those illegal farm and landscaping immigrants will be exported. It’s the big operators who need them, and it’s the big operators who are way behind in planting.

Georgia, none really. Several years ago Georgia passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Enforcement Act of 2011. That was suppose to damage Georgia farmers, it didn't.

Georgia State Immigration Laws - FindLaw

Life in Georgia didn't change. I don't think it had any repercussions or advantages. Since then there has been other laws to tighten up on illegal immigrants in Georgia, but no effect one way or the other.

Trump has a problem with Hillary and to a lesser extent with Obama. Both gone, he should just let them go. But Trump is such a thin skinned egotistic oaf that he has to create a feud with anyone who mutters a bad word about him. He needs to grow up, all his temper tantrums he throws and his name calling reminds me of a four year old kid whose parents failed to teach him any manners.

Hopefully the Democrat will nominate a decent candidate this time around. One who isn't as disliked by America as a whole as Trump. Campaigns and debates have gotten earlier and earlier. I don't know if that's helpful or hurtful. We'll find out.

 

[Linc]

Georgia, none really. Several years ago Georgia passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Enforcement Act of 2011. That was suppose to damage Georgia farmers, it didn't.

Georgia State Immigration Laws - FindLaw

Life in Georgia didn't change. I don't think it had any repercussions or advantages. Since then there has been other laws to tighten up on illegal immigrants in Georgia, but no effect one way or the other.

Trump has a problem with Hillary and to a lesser extent with Obama. Both gone, he should just let them go. But Trump is such a thin skinned egotistic oaf that he has to create a feud with anyone who mutters a bad word about him. He needs to grow up, all his temper tantrums he throws and his name calling reminds me of a four year old kid whose parents failed to teach him any manners.

Hopefully the Democrat will nominate a decent candidate this time around. One who isn't as disliked by America as a whole as Trump. Campaigns and debates have gotten earlier and earlier. I don't know if that's helpful or hurtful. We'll find out.

I didn’t hear much of any politics from locals on a recent trip to Iowa. I did hear about weather-related problems in most every farm state. Those who travel for farm business didn’t feel so bad when they got home. South Dakota was about 5-10 % planted and ready to give it up this year. There’s not enough shorter season seed and it’s gone up in price, naturally. Then there’s the steel grain bins and concrete silos that are blowing out due to flooding. Arkansas has a new lake. It’s every farm state, including here.

Late story on gop pollster Fabrizio trying to pick Warren being up by September/October. Nothing you and I think is the normal thing for trump to do is what he’ll do. 7+ million voted 3rd way and 94 million didn’t vote. In all seriousness, the entire trump campaign is not concerned right now with swing voters. Anyone’s hunch would be that he’d become normal after the RNC’s convention. Keep in mind that the RNC goes off SIX weeks after the DNC.

 

[RAMOSS]

Source: (Washington Times) Biden maintains lead over 2020 contenders as Warren passes Sanders: poll

What caught my eye here was not Biden's lead, but rather Warren moving past Sanders into 2nd place! This - in my opinion - was wholly unexpected, very much surprising me. And it's been reflected in three recent polls this week, including this one.

But this does seem to perhaps set-up a nice ticket, in my opinion. While I was hoping for Harris as VP, I think Warren would perhaps be an even better veep in terms of the Dems election performance. Obviously I'm basing this ticket upon Biden prevailing, though there's no guarantee of that. In my opinion (again), Biden looks a bit lackluster, equivocal, and prevaricating.

Biden is making a lot of mistakes. Warren is surpassing Bernie because she is concentrating on Ideas. and Bernie is very much of a one tune person.

 

[OscarLevant]

Source: (Washington Times) Biden maintains lead over 2020 contenders as Warren passes Sanders: poll

What caught my eye here was not Biden's lead, but rather Warren moving past Sanders into 2nd place! This - in my opinion - was wholly unexpected, very much surprising me. And it's been reflected in three recent polls this week, including this one.

But this does seem to perhaps set-up a nice ticket, in my opinion. While I was hoping for Harris as VP, I think Warren would perhaps be an even better veep in terms of the Dems election performance. Obviously I'm basing this ticket upon Biden prevailing, though there's no guarantee of that. In my opinion (again), Biden looks a bit lackluster, equivocal, and prevaricating.

I hope she wins. She wont' guffaw like Biden.

 

[Cardinal]

Source: (Washington Times) Biden maintains lead over 2020 contenders as Warren passes Sanders: poll

What caught my eye here was not Biden's lead, but rather Warren moving past Sanders into 2nd place! This - in my opinion - was wholly unexpected, very much surprising me. And it's been reflected in three recent polls this week, including this one.

But this does seem to perhaps set-up a nice ticket, in my opinion. While I was hoping for Harris as VP, I think Warren would perhaps be an even better veep in terms of the Dems election performance. Obviously I'm basing this ticket upon Biden prevailing, though there's no guarantee of that. In my opinion (again), Biden looks a bit lackluster, equivocal, and prevaricating.

Warren is my top pick, so I’m happy to see this.

 

[uptower]

Warrren's only got one plan, basically the same one Bernie has, tax the rich more and redistribute wealth. That's their solution to everything.

Worked before

 

[PoS]

Warren is my top pick, so I’m happy to see this.

Yeech, all the dem candidates are horrible.

 

[MTAtech]

Sorry. I have been down this road too many times to buy into it again. The new deal was an absolute failure. Stealing most of the wealth from the people by taking their gold and then doubling the price is what FDR should be known for. Or giving the gold to his banker bodies when he gave them control of our currency. If Trump or Bush had lost our pacific fleet nobody would be cheering. WW2 was the boom to our economy and the lack of competition after words as the world rebuilt. Welfare is not SS which I support. It is the 3rd and 4th generation welfare recipients I think we need to do something about. Taking wealth from those that have earned it is not a solution but a crime.

Well, if you think that it was a bad idea to get off the gold standard we have nothing to discuss. It was an obsolete system to regulate currency. Moreover, the New Deal reversed the 25% unemployment rate and the 50% drop in GNP that FDR inherited.

I don’t know where you get these wild ideas but I suggest that you change them to ones that are at least factual.

 

[Lovebug]

Sparticus and Kahmala have already toed the line on Joe...gonna be some grand debates.

You call it toe the line, I call it watching from where the wind blows. If, i.e., blacks would speak up in support for Biden about having had to deal with Segregationists, and pointing out that he was part of the progress that was made at the time, both Booker and Harris would quickly have a change of heart and see the light.
W have to hear what Biden actually said, instead of make up something that fits the politically expedient narrative. I am not a fan of Biden, but must hand it to him. He actually showed more spine that those 2 combined. He was honest about it, in part knowing that it would have surfaced eventually.
Both Booker and Harris judge by a current set of norms, not by what once was a reality. I would make a bet that both of them could not, and would not, be able to let progress happen because they'd be too busy being offended.

 

[Perotista]

I didn’t hear much of any politics from locals on a recent trip to Iowa. I did hear about weather-related problems in most every farm state. Those who travel for farm business didn’t feel so bad when they got home. South Dakota was about 5-10 % planted and ready to give it up this year. There’s not enough shorter season seed and it’s gone up in price, naturally. Then there’s the steel grain bins and concrete silos that are blowing out due to flooding. Arkansas has a new lake. It’s every farm state, including here.

Late story on gop pollster Fabrizio trying to pick Warren being up by September/October. Nothing you and I think is the normal thing for trump to do is what he’ll do. 7+ million voted 3rd way and 94 million didn’t vote. In all seriousness, the entire trump campaign is not concerned right now with swing voters. Anyone’s hunch would be that he’d become normal after the RNC’s convention. Keep in mind that the RNC goes off SIX weeks after the DNC.

The lateness of the GOP convention could be a help to whomever wins the Democratic nomination. Six weeks to unite the party and campaign against Trump. Yeah, 6% of all who voted voted third party against both Trump and Clinton. I thought it might be more when it came to independents. 12% of all independents voted third party whether than choose between Trump or Clinton. The extra high vote for third party candidates didn't surprise me as 25% of all Americans disliked and didn't want neither Trump nor Clinton to become president. That included 54% of all independents or swing voters as you call them.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

Who knows how many stayed home disgusted with both party's choices. CNN exit polls as the question of third party voters whom they would have voted for in just a two candidate race, Trump vs. Clinton, no third party candidates. 19% answered Trump, 16% Clinton 65% said they would not have voted.

 

[3leftsdoo]

Much too soon to have any meaning whatsoever.

And of course the Democrats are the OTHER massively criminal party sworn to serve the wealthy/sociopathic at the cost of the best interests of the People, & the entire game is completely rigged, so we might as well be discussing a poll about which gangster movie people like best.

(I feel that Godfather III is under-rated...)

 

[Thingfish]

You call it toe the line, I call it watching from where the wind blows. If, i.e., blacks would speak up in support for Biden about having had to deal with Segregationists, and pointing out that he was part of the progress that was made at the time, both Booker and Harris would quickly have a change of heart and see the light.
W have to hear what Biden actually said, instead of make up something that fits the politically expedient narrative. I am not a fan of Biden, but must hand it to him. He actually showed more spine that those 2 combined. He was honest about it, in part knowing that it would have surfaced eventually.
Both Booker and Harris judge by a current set of norms, not by what once was a reality. I would make a bet that both of them could not, and would not, be able to let progress happen because they'd be too busy being offended.

I got a plug nickle that says neither of these aspirants emerge unscathed.

 

[Chomsky]

That is interesting. If accurate, it does remove one issue of controversy. And maybe they have reformed themselves to let the people decide. But I will be surprised if the candidate that wins the nomination is not the candidate that the DNC designates to win though.

At this point I'm starting to hope it's not Biden, to be honest. This is starting to smell like Hillary 2.0 ...

 

[Chomsky]

I hope she wins. She wont' guffaw like Biden.

I have no idea. She never really looked that great when dealing with questions in larger hostile environments, as was seen early in her defense of her genetic's test. But she does seem to be warming-up a bit. And she will have that "women's advantage" on the debate stage in a one-on-one with Trump, his vulgarity aside.

 

[AlbqOwl]

At this point I'm starting to hope it's not Biden, to be honest. This is starting to smell like Hillary 2.0 ...

I can understand, even appreciate that as your honest heart lies left of center. But from my world view he is among the least dangerous of those running. I do NOT want a President with a Marxist mentality hell bent on changing America into something it has never been and should never be. And the Democrat candidates who share my point of view about that are being booed off stages everywhere. In my opinion, a lot of the front runners are exactly that kind of person. Biden at least has not (yet) become a pariah to the Democratic base.

 

[Chomsky]

Warren is my top pick, so I’m happy to see this.

I like her policies very much, but I just had no confidence she would prevail in the body politic. She seemed to falter during large uncontrolled Q & A sessions in uncontrolled hostile environments, as was seen in her press gaggles just after her genetic's test. Some of those were pretty cringe-worth. In addition, her public personal charisma seemed to be lacking. Quite honestly, her personality and somewhat plastic and practiced demeanor struck me watching Hillary Redux.

But recently I must admit I'm warming up to her. Though I must admit it's in-part due to my losing faith in Biden, the more I see of him in action. I suspect the other side of the equation of Biden faltering, is watch her strengthening. She seem to be getting better at this before my eyes. And I love her unabashed economic populism. Standing on the stage with Trump, it will be obvious who the genuine populist is.

Of course Trump will label her a Socialist to his Capitalist, but you know - maybe the country is ready for a more sensible more Left leaning economic populist? I know many young people are!

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Well, if you think that it was a bad idea to get off the gold standard we have nothing to discuss. It was an obsolete system to regulate currency. Moreover, the New Deal reversed the 25% unemployment rate and the 50% drop in GNP that FDR inherited.

I don’t know where you get these wild ideas but I suggest that you change them to ones that are at least factual.

I have no problem getting off the gold standard. I am just not a fan of robbing the American people and giving it to the rich bankers like FDR did.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Well, if you think that it was a bad idea to get off the gold standard we have nothing to discuss. It was an obsolete system to regulate currency. Moreover, the New Deal reversed the 25% unemployment rate and the 50% drop in GNP that FDR inherited.

I don’t know where you get these wild ideas but I suggest that you change them to ones that are at least factual.

Wrong the war put people back to work. It was the selling of materials to Germany and Japan that put America back to work. Then we sold to both sides until congress finally put a stop to us selling to our enemies. Read some real history not the wonderful story we were taught in our bias schools.

 

[Cardinal]

I like her policies very much, but I just had no confidence she would prevail in the body politic. She seemed to falter during large uncontrolled Q & A sessions in uncontrolled hostile environments, as was seen in her press gaggles just after her genetic's test. Some of those were pretty cringe-worth. In addition, her public personal charisma seemed to be lacking. Quite honestly, her personality and somewhat plastic and practiced demeanor struck me watching Hillary Redux.

But recently I must admit I'm warming up to her. Though I must admit it's in-part due to my losing faith in Biden, the more I see of him in action. I suspect the other side of the equation of Biden faltering, is watch her strengthening. She seem to be getting better at this before my eyes. And I love her unabashed economic populism. Standing on the stage with Trump, it will be obvious who the genuine populist is.

Of course Trump will label her a Socialist to his Capitalist, but you know - maybe the country is ready for a more sensible more Left leaning economic populist? I know many young people are!

Trump will call every Democrat a socialist so nobody should lose sleep over that. I always knew she dominated the policy discussion, and her economic message is perfect.

 

[Chomsky]

I can understand, even appreciate that as your honest heart lies left of center.

And, Ditto! :cheers:

But from my world view he is among the least dangerous of those running. I do NOT want a President with a Marxist mentality hell bent on changing America into something it has never been and should never be. And the Democrat candidates who share my point of view about that are being booed off stages everywhere. In my opinion, a lot of the front runners are exactly that kind of person. Biden at least has not (yet) become a pariah to the Democratic base.

Well then, you must absolutely cringe when seeing the likes of Warren & Harris!

If push comes to shove, I do prefer more progressive Dem candidates, but I'm also perfectly fine with the more moderate Dems like Biden. If you haven't noticed, the Dem's are pulling Biden quite a bit Left of where he's been historically.

So I suppose the days of JFK are now long gone at the national level, though I'm proud to say there seems to be room in the party at the local levels for guys like Conner Lamb. Lamb's someone who I hope finds a long & influential future in the party, because I'd very much want the Dems to be a true "open tent" party, in contrast the the G.O.P. lurching Right and requiring litmus tests. The Dems have to find a way to at least appear respectful of the pro-life & pro-2A crowds, and to tolerate diverse opinion and P.O.V., while focusing on the country's common social & economic issues.

As to more moderate Dems, have you paid any attention to Amy Klobuchar? I actually like her. She has that pragmatic, calm & sensible, Midwest folksy honest demeanor that appeals to me. She's the antithesis of Trump, in that way. And she seems very realistic and pragmatic.

Most of the country thinks of the Midwest as "conservative". That is true, but it traditionally is a brand of conservatism that is quite different than "Southern" or "Trump" conservatism. Midwest conservatism traditionally has been a very moderate and sensible conservatism, very pragmatic, and even having a moderate compassionate streak. There even used to be a common phrase of, "Midwest Sensibilities". I heard that all the time growing up, but only realized what it was when I became an adult and got to see the contrasts among the other areas of the country.

Oh well. No one seems to like my calm, pragmatic, sensible "Midwestern Lady". She's floundering in the polls. Everyone wants excitement these days, it seems.

 

[Chomsky]

Trump will call every Democrat a socialist so nobody should lose sleep over that. I always knew she dominated the policy discussion, and her economic message is perfect.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded.

Interestingly, it looks like the country will be debating Right vs Left populism, though I see Trump as an authoritarian who presents a fake populist charade.

 

[AlbqOwl]

And, Ditto! :cheers:

Well then, you must absolutely cringe when seeing the likes of Warren & Harris!

If push comes to shove, I do prefer more progressive Dem candidates, but I'm also perfectly fine with the more moderate Dems like Biden. If you haven't noticed, the Dem's are pulling Biden quite a bit Left of where he's been historically.

So I suppose the days of JFK are now long gone at the national level, though I'm proud to say there seems to be room in the party at the local levels for guys like Conner Lamb. Lamb's someone who I hope finds a long & influential future in the party, because I'd very much want the Dems to be a true "open tent" party, in contrast the the G.O.P. lurching Right and requiring litmus tests. The Dems have to find a way to at least appear respectful of the pro-life & pro-2A crowds, and to tolerate diverse opinion and P.O.V., while focusing on the country's common social & economic issues.

As to more moderate Dems, have you paid any attention to Amy Klobuchar? I actually like her. She has that pragmatic, calm & sensible, Midwest folksy honest demeanor that appeals to me. She's the antithesis of Trump, in that way. And she seems very realistic and pragmatic.

Most of the country thinks of the Midwest as "conservative". That is true, but it traditionally is a brand of conservatism that is quite different than "Southern" or "Trump" conservatism. Midwest conservatism traditionally has been a very moderate and sensible conservatism, very pragmatic, and even having a moderate compassionate streak. There even used to be a common phrase of, "Midwest Sensibilities". I heard that all the time growing up, but only realized what it was when I became an adult and got to see the contrasts among the other areas of the country.

Oh well. No one seems to like my calm, pragmatic, sensible "Midwestern Lady". She's floundering in the polls. Everyone wants excitement these days, it seems.

Yes Biden is dutifully campaigning far left of where he has ever been because he apparently is neither a man of conviction or principle. But I do suspect he has basically a good heart, and if we MUST have a liberal Democrat as President, better to have one with no convictions and a good heart than one with dangerous goals and commitment to accomplish them.

As for Warren for instance:
--pro Green New Deal
--Wants to abolish the electoral college
--Wants to reduce military
--Though she hasn't put it in the exact words, she is for open borders, pro illegal migration, full services granted to illegals, etc.
--Supports public abortion funding
--Strong pro gun control, anti-2nd Amendment
--Supports reparations for African Americans and Native Americans
--Supports government regulation of pretty much everything
--Supports government control of pretty much everything

and that's just for starters.

Not my cup of tea. The woman is clueless and dangerous when it comes to what individual liberties are and what makes a nation healthy, prosperous, benevolent, and strong enough to protect its way of life.

 

[American]

The missus likes Warren @ Treasury.

I hate to agree with Trump’s observations of Joe, but....

Warren shouldn't be anywhere in the govt, except maybe some remote office in the Interior Dept working with the tribes.