Biden Clinches The Nomination

[Conservative]

Whether I like it or not has nothing to do with it, but since you're intent on making unsubstantiated conclusions, then have at it.

So form your conclusions. NY has the most deaths in this country and many of those came from nursing homes. NY is still lower than those utopian countries in Europe with a higher median age. What is your conclusion?

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

6/16/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 2115994 117126 5.5%
Texas 87854 1976 2.2%
New York 384000 24579 6.4%
New Jersey 167000 12676 7.6%
Spain 244000 27136 11.1%

Italy 238000 34405 14.5%

England 298000 41969 14.1%

France 158000 29547 18.7%

Netherlands 45769 5871 12.8%

Canada 99500 8200 8.2%

 

[ElChupacabra]

So form your conclusions. NY has the most deaths in this country and many of those came from nursing homes. NY is still lower than those utopian countries in Europe with a higher median age. What is your conclusion?

Coronavirus (COVID-19) live map tracker from Microsoft Bing

6/16/2020 Cases Deaths

United States 2115994 117126 5.5%
Texas 87854 1976 2.2%
New York 384000 24579 6.4%
New Jersey 167000 12676 7.6%
Spain 244000 27136 11.1%

Italy 238000 34405 14.5%

England 298000 41969 14.1%

France 158000 29547 18.7%

Netherlands 45769 5871 12.8%

Canada 99500 8200 8.2%

Without more data I'm not going to form a conclusion. If you're asking me to guess, I think the higher ratio of older people in Europe has a bigger role to play than the healthcare systems since there are no massive gaps in terms of medical resources between the US and European countries. Here's a more detailed look into comparisons between healthcare systems during this pandemic.

 

[Conservative]

Without more data I'm not going to form a conclusion. If you're asking me to guess, I think the higher ratio of older people in Europe has a bigger role to play than the healthcare systems since there are no massive gaps in terms of medical resources between the US and European countries. Here's a more detailed look into comparisons between healthcare systems during this pandemic.

You still don't seem to grasp the reality as to the roles of the Healthcare providers and the Gov't leadership. Preventing the spread is gov't, caring for the inflected is the medical profession. Your information doesn't separate the two giving credit to single payer systems in countries that have a low infection number as people in those countries don't need the healthcare facilities.

NY and NJ are above the world average but under the European Union average, why?

Can a single payer system handle 328 million people and at what cost and how is it paid for?

 

[ElChupacabra]

You still don't seem to grasp the reality as to the roles of the Healthcare providers and the Gov't leadership. Preventing the spread is gov't, caring for the inflected is the medical profession. Your information doesn't separate the two giving credit to single payer systems in countries that have a low infection number as people in those countries don't need the healthcare facilities.

The article I linked was specifically about how 6 different healthcare systems have managed during the pandemic. In the article, the United Kingdom and the US are listed so there are nations which have high infection and hospitalization numbers. As for the relationship between healthcare providers and government leadership, they are intertwined since the government can assist in obtaining supplies and augmenting capacities in the event of an emergency. What's interesting is you're now saying the authors of the article isn't separating information, yet you're positing a conclusion in no way supported by the data you continue to cite.

NY and NJ are above the world average but under the European Union average, why?

A better question is why you repeat the same thing when I've already answered it. Based on the information I've seen thus far, I don't have enough data to form a conclusion, and I've already given you my guess. You, as of yet, have provided no substantiation for your conclusion based on the data you have cited which provides nothing else than raw data. So if we're making conclusions not substantiated by data, then I conclude NY/NJ are doing better than other countries because unicorns secretly visit the infected and magically heal them.

Can a single payer system handle 328 million people and at what cost and how is it paid for?

Other societies have made the choice of having it come from taxes, others have opted for hybrid systems. If your position is that this is a challenge the US can't handle, then you may want to reassess when you complain about others being "doom and gloom" merchants.

 

[Conservative]

June Super Tuesday - The Revenge of the Establishment

Joe Biden’s delegate count at 1785 and climbing after he wins the primaries in Indiana, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island, Maryland, New Mexico, South Dakota & Washington, D.C. Still awaiting results from Montana.

George Bush practically endorsed Biden as his people are forming a Biden Super Pac.

Biden's speech in Philly today

Biden and Obama always give great speeches, the problem however are the results but as we have seen from you and others here rhetoric always allows you to divert from actual results generated. Your partisanship and hatred of Trump has you focused solely on rhetoric never results. There is nothing in the Biden resume that supports any claim that he would continue the Trump economic growth pro private sector policies nor any proof that he has the ability to be strong against our foreign enemies. His 40 Plus years in public service have provided a resume showing that he is incapable of handling the two most important issues for the Federal Gov't, the economy and national security

In every anti Trump thread we find the same people with the same arguments none ever supporting Biden but all attacking Trump. This partisan bull**** has to stop or you continue to implement what Russia wanted, chaos in this country and delegitimizing election results.

Just finished reading a very good book called, "The President is Missing" by James Patterson and yes Bill Clinton!! Outstanding read highlighting exactly what is going on in this country and how politicians and yes people like you focus solely on politics and promotion of your agenda, not what is best for the country

 

[Conservative]

The article I linked was specifically about how 6 different healthcare systems have managed during the pandemic. In the article, the United Kingdom and the US are listed so there are nations which have high infection and hospitalization numbers. As for the relationship between healthcare providers and government leadership, they are intertwined since the government can assist in obtaining supplies and augmenting capacities in the event of an emergency. What's interesting is you're now saying the authors of the article isn't separating information, yet you're positing a conclusion in no way supported by the data you continue to cite.



A better question is why you repeat the same thing when I've already answered it. Based on the information I've seen thus far, I don't have enough data to form a conclusion, and I've already given you my guess. You, as of yet, have provided no substantiation for your conclusion based on the data you have cited which provides nothing else than raw data. So if we're making conclusions not substantiated by data, then I conclude NY/NJ are doing better than other countries because unicorns secretly visit the infected and magically heal them.



Other societies have made the choice of having it come from taxes, others have opted for hybrid systems. If your position is that this is a challenge the US can't handle, then you may want to reassess when you complain about others being "doom and gloom" merchants.

You are so partisan and unwilling to consider that Universal Healthcare isn't the answer and that prevention of the virus will create better death percentages and contracting the disease. You want data to support your conclusion, my point is spot on, the death rate is what matters and does measure healthcare performance. Are there other issues involved and variable, yes but that doesn't change the data collected which is accurate

 

[ElChupacabra]

You are so partisan and unwilling to consider that Universal Healthcare isn't the answer and that prevention of the virus will create better death percentages and contracting the disease.

Nothing of what I have stated thus far is partisan. You continue to repeat that universal healthcare has played a role in the mortality rate without providing anything other than your guess based on raw data. Prevention of any disease is due in part to the preparations made to handle it; that impacts outcomes as well. What is often a variable are new unforeseen scenarios; in this particular case, how various nations prepared and mitigated early on have helped keep their numbers low.

You want data to support your conclusion, my point is spot on, the death rate is what matters and does measure healthcare performance. Are there other issues involved and variable, yes but that doesn't change the data collected which is accurate

It may be to you, but if you can't back it up with factual information, it means bugger all. So you can keep repeating that your guess is "spot on" but it is nothing more than a guess because of your unsubstantiated correlations between healthcare systems and mortality rates. The data is accurate, your conclusion is not.

 

[Conservative]

Nothing of what I have stated thus far is partisan. You continue to repeat that universal healthcare has played a role in the mortality rate without providing anything other than your guess based on raw data. Prevention of any disease is due in part to the preparations made to handle it; that impacts outcomes as well. What is often a variable are new unforeseen scenarios; in this particular case, how various nations prepared and mitigated early on have helped keep their numbers low.




It may be to you, but if you can't back it up with factual information, it means bugger all. So you can keep repeating that your guess is "spot on" but it is nothing more than a guess because of your unsubstantiated correlations between healthcare systems and mortality rates. The data is accurate, your conclusion is not.

And what makes your conclusion accurate, your opinion?? You have offered no evidence other than the median age but not of those dying and still cannot explain why NY with the highest number of deaths in this country boosted by the nursing home disaster is still better than the European Utopian countries that have Universal Healthcare

 

[ElChupacabra]

And what makes your conclusion accurate, your opinion?? You have offered no evidence other than the median age but not of those dying and still cannot explain why NY with the highest number of deaths in this country boosted by the nursing home disaster is still better than the European Utopian countries that have Universal Healthcare

If you read carefully, you'll notice I didn't make a conclusion; I said "my guess is.." because I don't have enough data to make a determination on outcomes based on healthcare system types. I have provided more data in supporting my guess than you have supporting your conclusion which thus far has only been the one tracker site that only provides basic data sets. You ask me for explanations on how I base my guess, and I provided it; you have provided nothing to back your claim. So to repeat this yet again, I cannot explain why because there isn't enough data to make that kind of determination. So unless you provide something else, me saying that unicorns healing the people of NY and NJ is as valid as your conclusion based on your analytical methodology.