Best economy in history. Federal worker raises slashed from 2.5% to 1%.

[Craig234]

Americans should realize that government is, ultimately, their primary power, if the government represents them.

It guarantees them individual rights, it does many activities to help the public good and the people, it limits the harm done to them by powerful interests.

And that's why Republicans, who serve donors who want things bad for the public, are anti-government. They want to weaken government's power o restrain those powerful interests, to help people get a fair share of wealth, and so they attack government itself.

This was the big con under Reagan - a lie that government is the problem, not the solution - and it's been continued by Republicans ever since.

That doesn't mean government can't be 'bad'. An analogy is the police. They generally serve the public; need help and they tend to help. But they can do some bad at times; the public needs to reign them in at times. Commit a crime and you pay.

And of course, if Republicans actually fool people into electing Republican government, it's quite bad, it's the fox in charge of the henhouse, time to gut and pillage, gut and pillage. Hey, let's put hundreds of industry lobbyists and executives in charge of regulation, like Bush and trump have done, for example.

That's one of the key problems with Republican voters today; they've fallen for the con, and so they don't look for government to be 'good government'. They turned on America's system; don't appreciate good, dedicated government workers; they see them as parasites, and the more they're abused, the better. Will they leave? Good.

And that's where we are. Republicans want a weak government. That's why trump demolished the USDA science division for example, to please his fossil fuel donors who don't like the science confirming climate change. Who cares it'll hurt farmers, trump will just tell them he loves them to keep their support, as a con man.

And that's why the latest news is, at the same time trump claims this is the 'best economy ever', he says government workers can't get normal raises, and slashed them from 2.5% to 1%. Republicans gut good government, because it weakens the public's power to resist them and their donors' abuses.

 

[Craig234]

Use this thread, there was a duplicate because of a system error.

 

[Luther]

Americans should realize that government is, ultimately, their primary power, if the government represents them.

It guarantees them individual rights, it does many activities to help the public good and the people, it limits the harm done to them by powerful interests.

And that's why Republicans, who serve donors who want things bad for the public, are anti-government. They want to weaken government's power o restrain those powerful interests, to help people get a fair share of wealth, and so they attack government itself.

This was the big con under Reagan - a lie that government is the problem, not the solution - and it's been continued by Republicans ever since.

That doesn't mean government can't be 'bad'. An analogy is the police. They generally serve the public; need help and they tend to help. But they can do some bad at times; the public needs to reign them in at times. Commit a crime and you pay.

And of course, if Republicans actually fool people into electing Republican government, it's quite bad, it's the fox in charge of the henhouse, time to gut and pillage, gut and pillage. Hey, let's put hundreds of industry lobbyists and executives in charge of regulation, like Bush and trump have done, for example.

That's one of the key problems with Republican voters today; they've fallen for the con, and so they don't look for government to be 'good government'. They turned on America's system; don't appreciate good, dedicated government workers; they see them as parasites, and the more they're abused, the better. Will they leave? Good.

And that's where we are. Republicans want a weak government. That's why trump demolished the USDA science division for example, to please his fossil fuel donors who don't like the science confirming climate change. Who cares it'll hurt farmers, trump will just tell them he loves them to keep their support, as a con man.

And that's why the latest news is, at the same time trump claims this is the 'best economy ever', he says government workers can't get normal raises, and slashed them from 2.5% to 1%. Republicans gut good government, because it weakens the public's power to resist them and their donors' abuses.

And that's why the latest news is, at the same time trump claims this is the 'best economy ever', he says government workers can't get normal raises, and slashed them from 2.5% to 1%. Republicans gut good government, because it weakens the public's power to resist them and their donors' abuses.

Isn't amazing what you can do on the tax payers dime?

 

[Luther]

Gov workers make too much as it is now with their current salary/Benefits

 

[Hawkeye10]

Gov workers make too much as it is now with their current salary/Benefits

Keeping in mind that poorly paid government workers are almost always corrupt government workers, which lowers morale.

 

[Luther]

Keeping in mind that poorly paid government workers are almost always corrupt government workers, which lowers morale.

Keeping in mind that poorly paid government workers

You missed my point that they're paid too much now?

workers are almost always corrupt

They're corrupt now since they will vote for the party who gives them MORE $$$$(Hello)

 

[jdog21]

Americans should realize that government is, ultimately, their primary power, if the government represents them.

It guarantees them individual rights, it does many activities to help the public good and the people, it limits the harm done to them by powerful interests.

And that's why Republicans, who serve donors who want things bad for the public, are anti-government. They want to weaken government's power o restrain those powerful interests, to help people get a fair share of wealth, and so they attack government itself.

This was the big con under Reagan - a lie that government is the problem, not the solution - and it's been continued by Republicans ever since.

That doesn't mean government can't be 'bad'. An analogy is the police. They generally serve the public; need help and they tend to help. But they can do some bad at times; the public needs to reign them in at times. Commit a crime and you pay.

And of course, if Republicans actually fool people into electing Republican government, it's quite bad, it's the fox in charge of the henhouse, time to gut and pillage, gut and pillage. Hey, let's put hundreds of industry lobbyists and executives in charge of regulation, like Bush and trump have done, for example.

That's one of the key problems with Republican voters today; they've fallen for the con, and so they don't look for government to be 'good government'. They turned on America's system; don't appreciate good, dedicated government workers; they see them as parasites, and the more they're abused, the better. Will they leave? Good.

And that's where we are. Republicans want a weak government. That's why trump demolished the USDA science division for example, to please his fossil fuel donors who don't like the science confirming climate change. Who cares it'll hurt farmers, trump will just tell them he loves them to keep their support, as a con man.

And that's why the latest news is, at the same time trump claims this is the 'best economy ever', he says government workers can't get normal raises, and slashed them from 2.5% to 1%. Republicans gut good government, because it weakens the public's power to resist them and their donors' abuses.

Government workers don't deserve more money.. Pretty plain and simple.

Government can be good without being large and totalitarian.

 

[Hawkeye10]

You missed my point that they're paid too much now?



They're corrupt now since they will vote for the party who gives them MORE $$$$(Hello)

I am saying that the abuse of public servants, to include cops, has to stop if you want to have public servants.

And you do, because without them you have chaos, danger, and misery.

 

[Luther]

I am saying that the abuse of public servants, to include cops, has to stop if you want to have public servants.

And you do, because without them you have chaos, danger, and misery.

Cops?

In this case, we're talking about FED WORKERS no?

 

[Craig234]

Government can be good without being large and totalitarian.

2.5 cost of living raise = "large and totalitarian". That's a cultist talking.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Cops?

In this case, we're talking about FED WORKERS no?

I am making the case that there is now a long record of lack of support of public servants, which sometimes is abuse, that it needs to stop and that your talk of cutting the pay of government employees is not helpful, so therefor you should reconsider.

 

[Luther]

I am making the case that there is now a long record of lack of support of public servants, which sometimes is abuse, that it needs to stop and that your talk of cutting the pay of government employees is not helpful, so therefor you should reconsider.

If there is any "Abuse" it is with the Public sector Unions sucking the tax payers dry

Things are ass backwards, we should be good Steward's with the tax payers money

 

[Luther]

2.5 cost of living raise = "large and totalitarian". That's a cultist talking.

2.5 cost of living raise

Did you forget about their current high salary, benefits and Pensions?

 

[jdog21]

2.5 cost of living raise = "large and totalitarian". That's a cultist talking.

Totalitarian doesn't have to mean 0 to 100 overnight. It can be 50 and next year 51 eventually over 50 years you reach 100. You don't think if someone brought Thomas Jefferson back to 2020 in a time machine he wouldn't look at the fed and say how did this gov get so big and authoritative?

 

[Craig234]

Totalitarian doesn't have to mean 0 to 100 overnight. It can be 50 and next year 51 eventually over 50 years you reach 100. You don't think if someone brought Thomas Jefferson back to 2020 in a time machine he wouldn't look at the fed and say how did this gov get so big and authoritative?

No, I don't think he'd say that. I think he'd say, the economy changed incredibly, and called for new approaches to governing, which is exactly what he'd called for the people to do, to change the government to adapt to changing circumstances. He'd be appalled at how much power was in "elite" private hands, a new 'nobility' stronger than England's had been, at the media brainwashing of voters.

 

[Mashmont]

Americans should realize that government is, ultimately, their primary power, if the government represents them.

It guarantees them individual rights, it does many activities to help the public good and the people, it limits the harm done to them by powerful interests.

And that's why Republicans, who serve donors who want things bad for the public, are anti-government. They want to weaken government's power o restrain those powerful interests, to help people get a fair share of wealth, and so they attack government itself.

This was the big con under Reagan - a lie that government is the problem, not the solution - and it's been continued by Republicans ever since.

That doesn't mean government can't be 'bad'. An analogy is the police. They generally serve the public; need help and they tend to help. But they can do some bad at times; the public needs to reign them in at times. Commit a crime and you pay.

And of course, if Republicans actually fool people into electing Republican government, it's quite bad, it's the fox in charge of the henhouse, time to gut and pillage, gut and pillage. Hey, let's put hundreds of industry lobbyists and executives in charge of regulation, like Bush and trump have done, for example.

That's one of the key problems with Republican voters today; they've fallen for the con, and so they don't look for government to be 'good government'. They turned on America's system; don't appreciate good, dedicated government workers; they see them as parasites, and the more they're abused, the better. Will they leave? Good.

And that's where we are. Republicans want a weak government. That's why trump demolished the USDA science division for example, to please his fossil fuel donors who don't like the science confirming climate change. Who cares it'll hurt farmers, trump will just tell them he loves them to keep their support, as a con man.

And that's why the latest news is, at the same time trump claims this is the 'best economy ever', he says government workers can't get normal raises, and slashed them from 2.5% to 1%. Republicans gut good government, because it weakens the public's power to resist them and their donors' abuses.

Government is always inefficient. It all boils down to motivation and a passing the buck mentality. In government, it's nobody's ass on the line, so works extra. Show me a city larger than 200,000, and I will show you a Municipal Building staffed by apathetic, surly and lazy friends, relatives, and posse members of the mayor.

 

[aociswundumho]

Isn't amazing what you can do on the tax payers dime?

If you're Bernie Sanders you can live for 40 years off of the taxpayer.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Government workers don't deserve more money.. Pretty plain and simple.

Government can be good without being large and totalitarian.

LOL! What, pray tell, is 'totalitarian' about a 2.5% pay raise?

This ought to be good.

 

[aociswundumho]

It guarantees them individual rights,

On the contrary, there is no entity on the planet that violates individual rights more than the state.

And that's why the latest news is, at the same time trump claims this is the 'best economy ever', he says government workers can't get normal raises, and slashed them from 2.5% to 1%.

Why are they getting raises at all? Trump needs to start eliminating entire cabinet level departments.