Bernie's town hall

[Chomsky]

Okay, we’ll that wasn’t my understanding, then we come to the issue of the cost?

No, it's not mandatory like the ACA.

But I will play Devil's advocate to my argument, by claiming that to go from the current 35%* single-payer "take" rate in America, to a more substantial take, could have some unintended effects on the private insurance markets.

*My understanding is medicare, medicaid, and VA, make-up 35% of the U.S. heath insurance market.[/IM

 

[Bullseye]

No, it's not mandatory like the ACA.

But I will play Devil's advocate to my argument, by claiming that to go from the current 35%* single-payer "take" in America, to a more substantial take, could have some unintended effects on the private insurance markets.

*My understanding is medicare, medicaid, and VA, make-up over a the third of the U.S. heath insurance market.

Medicare is nominally funded from payroll taxes, the other two are funded via budget process with Medicaid also requiring state participation. A lot of moving parts in HC funding.

 

[Chomsky]

Medicare is nominally funded from payroll taxes, the other two are funded via budget process with Medicaid also requiring state participation. A lot of moving parts in HC funding.

It's highly complicated and inter-dependent, without a doubt. I can fully understand the anxiety, reticence, and backlash, after seeing the mess that became ObamaCare.

 

[Bullseye]

It's highly complicated and inter-dependent, without a doubt. I can fully understand the anxiety, reticence, and backlash, after seeing the mess that became ObamaCare.

One of the things ACA did was raise the level to qualify for Medicaid and bribe states to put more money in by giving the states extra funding for a limited number of years. I don't recall exactly how many but the deadline may be getting close. My concern is that a large percentage of ACA enrollees are Medicaiders so what happens when the government windfalls dry up?

 

[Chomsky]

One of the things ACA did was raise the level to qualify for Medicaid and bribe states to put more money in by giving the states extra funding for a limited number of years. I don't recall exactly how many but the deadline may be getting close. My concern is that a large percentage of ACA enrollees are Medicaiders so what happens when the government windfalls dry up?

No idea. Like i said, ObamaCare was a hot mess. I surely didn't want it. But I'd go for a slowly and incrementally rolled-out single-payer/private-provider system like Medicare-for-all.

 

[Luckyone]

I just watched the Bernie town hall on FOX news. It was very interesting, and although I do not agree with many of Bernie's stances I enjoyed listening to his opinion and I was very impressed with the fact that he was allowed to answer without being interrupted. I also thought that FOX did a great job of keeping it fair and balanced. Martha and Bret did a terrific job. 2020 is going to interesting...for sure.

You should have put a link to the video of the town hall so that everyone can hear what he said. Here is the link to the entire Town Hall.

Notice how he was cheered by the FOX audience.



and here is Trump's response:

President Donald Trump and his lieutenant/Fox New “opinion” host Sean Hannity launched a full-scale attack on Monday’s Fox News Channel town hall with lead Dem White House hopeful Bernie Sanders Tuesday morning. Sanders is, in polling and fundraising, the clear Dem front-runner to date.

“So weird to watch Crazy Bernie on @FoxNews,” Trump tweeted, echoing the Democratic National Committee’s thinking when it ixnayed FNC’s bid to carry any of its 2020 presidential candidates debates.

 

[TamleeB]

You should have put a link to the video of the town hall so that everyone can hear what he said. Here is the link to the entire Town Hall.

Notice how he was cheered by the FOX audience.



and here is Trump's response:

Thanks for posting the video! I appreciate it! Its obvious Bernie and Trump are never going to be best buds. They both crapped on each other last night. Sadly, that is what politicians do.

 

[Luckyone]

Bernie needs to go away.

Trump would trounce him.

Bernie went into the Lion's den (FOX News) and they cheered and applauded him. Sure sounds like a trounce but you have it upside down. Bernie will trounce Trump.

 

[TamleeB]

Bernie went into the Lion's den (FOX News) and they cheered and applauded him. Sure sounds like a trounce but you have it upside down. Bernie will trounce Trump.

Just to be fair....they had Bernie supporters in the crowd. It wasn't a one sided audience.

 

[Thingfish]

Just to be fair....they had Bernie supporters in the crowd. It wasn't a one sided audience.

that was my take as well, as was evidenced by a show of hands “would you be willing to give up your private health care”

 

[Luckyone]

Just to be fair....they had Bernie supporters in the crowd. It wasn't a one sided audience.

either way, Bernie would trounce Trump in the election.

In the last election, polls showed Bernie would win by 13% while Hillary was being shown only beating Trump by 4%. Bernie is exactly the same person he was in 2016 (no new blemishes) while a lot more negatives are known about Trump that were not known them.

The economy is better so that might make up for what has been lost, but not enough to elect Trump over Bernie.

 

[TamleeB]

either way, Bernie would trounce Trump in the election.

In the last election, polls showed Bernie would win by 13% while Hillary was being shown only beating Trump by 4%. Bernie is exactly the same person he was in 2016 (no new blemishes) while a lot more negatives are known about Trump that were not known them.

The economy is better so that might make up for what has been lost, but not enough to elect Trump over Bernie.

Bernie has to get the nomination first. I honestly don't think the Dems want him as their pick. Guess we will see....

 

[Finch]

Where did I even mention Trump? Wow....you must have Trump on the brain. I was discussing Bernie. You know...the person this thread is about.

It takes at least two to debate...So yes I initially thought that you would like to see Bernie debate trump our current president....But then I figured your were smarter than that and suggested maybe you would rather like to see him debate in the primary instead. Which I hope is the case, because we all know Trump isnt going to win 2020 with his debate skills.

 

[Bullseye]

No idea. Like i said, ObamaCare was a hot mess. I surely didn't want it. But I'd go for a slowly and incrementally rolled-out single-payer/private-provider system like Medicare-for-all.

I worry about anything where the government controls the purse strings on what is more logically a private concern. I favor more of a cafeteria system where customers select the coverages they want and need. Create a premium schedule that emphasizes early entry and reasonable riders for pre-existing conditions.

 

[poweRob]

lemme guess, you’re one of the one million volunteers Bernie mentioned who’ll hand out flyers door to door (and get it slammed in your face). yeah I know, white nationalist, Nazi, racist...socialism will never take hold in America, yur dreamin’

You shouldn't use words you don't know. It's making you look sillier than usual.

 

[poweRob]

No. Single Payer is the sole way to do this correctly.

I bet if there were a public option in play... it would turn into single payer by preference of choice.

 

[Chomsky]

I worry about anything where the government controls the purse strings on what is more logically a private concern. I favor more of a cafeteria system where customers select the coverages they want and need. Create a premium schedule that emphasizes early entry and reasonable riders for pre-existing conditions.

Well ... if it's a Medicaid or Medicare type system, basically the recipients use what services they wish. Only those services actually used, are reimbursed by the taxpayers. So in essence, it's the ultimate pay-only-what-you-need system. Remember, the government becomes the insurer. It's not traditional insurance, unless one chooses to add supplemental insurance like Medicare Part B.

I think the thing to do, is talk to those you know on Medicare or Medicaid. Ask them their thoughts. You'll probably find the systems aren't perfect, but the recipients are pretty damn grateful they have these programs rather than be thrown to the wolves of the private insurance market.

And as an aside, I have what might be considered a Cadillac private insurance plan, that was provided to me as an unexpected business perk. Quite honestly, I don't see it any better than Medicaid, and I do not see the value if I had to purchase it myself on the free-market. I'd have no problem switching to Medicaid or Medicare if it was rolled-out, and both of those systems seem to be accepted at the current providers I use with my private plan.

 

[TamleeB]

It takes at least two to debate...So yes I initially thought that you would like to see Bernie debate trump our current president....But then I figured your were smarter than that and suggested maybe you would rather like to see him debate in the primary instead. Which I hope is the case, because we all know Trump isnt going to win 2020 with his debate skills.

I was indeed referring to the primary. I am not convinced Bernie will be the one who is chosen. I am also not convinced that the Dem's want Bernie as their "man". But then again, I would never be naïve enough to claim who will be the winner of either the primaries or the election. Way too early for such a prediction.