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Bernie Sanders says felons, even Boston Marathon bomber, should have right to vote in prison

Lovebug said:
So make if know that someone who used high school kids as targets should be able to vote.
Heck, why not give them a minimum wage and a car.
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Bucky said:
It is sad you care more about protecting the rights of say, the Boston Bomber. What about the rights of those that were killed?
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This thread is really about you randomly naming the most heinous and ridiculous crimes you can then pretend that people who don't advocate the government arbitrarily stripping US citizens' right to vote is tantamount to supporting those crimes. Ridiculous children.
 
JustHanging said:
I do.

To be honest, I haven't really thought about it much, but off the top of my head I can't think of any good reasons they should be denied the right to vote, so I'll argue that position.

Your move. :)
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Let's talk about Bernie Sanders real motivation.

Democrats cannot convince enough people to vote so they are to find/create a new voting bloc. Imagine creating polling centers on death row and having the prison guards setting up polling stations for inmates.

Just before someone gets the needle, the warden gets his vote.

unbelievable.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
This thread is really about you randomly naming the most heinous and ridiculous crimes you can then pretend that people who don't advocate the government arbitrarily stripping US citizens' right to vote is tantamount to supporting those crimes. Ridiculous children.
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The Boston bomber was the name specifically named in the article.
 
People in prison are still citizens, and in many cases, are being forced to perform labor for private, for-profit prisons, and nothing in our system is setup to actually help or rehabilitate anyone. sure, maybe there can be a few exceptions, but it's not like having one ****ing terrorist allowed to vote is somehow compromising our democracy or something.

also, just a reminder that most felons are not ****ing terrorists. they're in for drug crimes, including marijuana, which isn't even illegal in some states anymore. you can argue about the scope of what he's talking about, but acting like he's crazy or that somehow denying citizens of this country the right to vote is just absurd.
 
nekrodev said:
People in prison are still citizens, and in many cases, are being forced to perform labor for private, for-profit prisons, and nothing in our system is setup to actually help or rehabilitate anyone. sure, maybe there can be a few exceptions, but it's not like having one ****ing terrorist allowed to vote is somehow compromising our democracy or something.

also, just a reminder that most felons are not ****ing terrorists. they're in for drug crimes, including marijuana, which isn't even illegal in some states anymore. you can argue about the scope of what he's talking about, but acting like he's crazy or that somehow denying citizens of this country the right to vote is just absurd.
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What about Dylann Storm Roof, Nikolas Cruz. pedophiles?
 
Bucky said:
Let's talk about Bernie Sanders real motivation.

Democrats cannot convince enough people to vote so they are to find/create a new voting bloc. Imagine creating polling centers on death row and having the prison guards setting up polling stations for inmates.

Just before someone gets the needle, the warden gets his vote.

unbelievable.
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the Dem candidate in 2016 won the popular vote by MILLIONS of people. there's not an issue with the number of people voting. and in 2018, the turnout was actually as high, or slightly higher, than the Presidential election in 2016, with Democrats retaking the house.

the Dems don't need new voting blocs, they win in terms of numbers, every time.
 
Lovebug said:
What about Dylann Storm Roof, Nikolas Cruz. pedophiles?
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Personally, I'm fine with all of them voting. Like I said, it's not like it's going to make a difference in any real way. It's not like they'd be able to legalize their crimes by voting a certain way, there's not enough of them to make that kind of change.

And, if you disagree with those specific instances, that's fine. I'm not going to be upset that you don't agree with me. But, what about the vast majority of people in prison who are there for non-violent crimes, and who will be getting out one day? They deserve a voice just like everyone else in what's going on in our country.
 
nekrodev said:
Personally, I'm fine with all of them voting. Like I said, it's not like it's going to make a difference in any real way. It's not like they'd be able to legalize their crimes by voting a certain way, there's not enough of them to make that kind of change.

And, if you disagree with those specific instances, that's fine. I'm not going to be upset that you don't agree with me. But, what about the vast majority of people in prison who are there for non-violent crimes, and who will be getting out one day? They deserve a voice just like everyone else in what's going on in our country.
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I'm old school and think that crimes deserve a punishment. No, not the petty stuff like having some weed in your pocket. Let those people out.
 
humbolt said:
Those convicted of felonies have demonstrated a disdain for our laws and their moral foundation. Do I want such people to help select those who develop and enforce our laws? Hell no.
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I disagree. Some laws such as drug laws, are idiotic. people who are doing time for selling weed, or smoking crack, should be able to vote after they do their time. Because they never should have been in the big house in the first place.
 
Lovebug said:
I'm old school and think that crimes deserve a punishment. No, not the petty stuff like having some weed in your pocket. Let those people out.
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You don't think being locked up and having limited, or no access to your family and other support structures, and being permanently marked as a felon, which affects your ability to get a job, strips your 2nd Amendment rights, etc... is enough punishment? They should also lose the most fundamental right of all, their right to have a voice in what happens in our country? They shouldn't be allowed to vote on what might still be affecting their families or spouses and all of their futures?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
I agree that felons who have paid their debt to society should be allowed to vote but not those still in prison.

In prison, you have free healthcare, housing and food. What issues do prisoners share with their community? If you promise to shorten their sentences they’ll vote for you.

This is an unforced disastrous error by Bernie.



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I completely agree with this. I like Bernie, I believe he genuinely wants to make changes to improve middle class America but he definitely did not think this one through....
 
nekrodev said:
You don't think being locked up and having limited, or no access to your family and other support structures, and being permanently marked as a felon, which affects your ability to get a job, strips your 2nd Amendment rights, etc... is enough punishment? They should also lose the most fundamental right of all, their right to have a voice in what happens in our country? They shouldn't be allowed to vote on what might still be affecting their families or spouses and all of their futures?
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Fundamental rights, for me, are food, clothing and shelter.
 
Acadia said:
Bernie was arguing that he supports the Boston Bomber voting from prison. The BB will always he under sentence. Until he dies or we kill him.
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Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is already under a Federal death sentence.
 
nekrodev said:
funny, the constitution doesn't mention any of those, nor do we have any laws regarding that.
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So felons mustn't have either, or do we grant them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and all rights and privileges as enjoyed by law abiding citizens?
 
Lovebug said:
So felons mustn't have either, or do we grant them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and all rights and privileges as enjoyed by law abiding citizens?
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Right. So, what we've done, as a society, is drawn lines - we've decided it's acceptable to remove certain rights, and we can decide it's okay not not do that anymore. In Florida, they just voted on this, and voters decided that felons should get their right to vote back after they're released. If we can do that, it's not much of a stretch to just not take the right away at all.

You've gotta remember, too, this issue isn't something on the forefront of our current ramp up to 2020. This is not something that Bernie is really pushing, he's just answering questions that he's asked. This isn't something that he'd do day one by executive order, this isn't even something he'll probably get to in 4 years, maybe not even in 8 if we were so lucky. It'll ramp up across states, and eventually, once most states have already done it, it might get a federal change as well. That's how this usually works.
 
Bernie says felons in prison should be allowed to vote, gets **** upon.

Mayor Pete says felons in prison should not be allowed to vote, gets **** upon.

You guys are seriously going to get rolled by Donnie boy.
 
Airyaman said:
Bernie says felons in prison should be allowed to vote, gets **** upon.

Mayor Pete says felons in prison should not be allowed to vote, gets **** upon.

You guys are seriously going to get rolled by Donnie boy.
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Oh, they're just having fun, they'll get it together with somebody before election day.
 
Bucky said:
The Boston bomber was the name specifically named in the article.
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Which had nothing to do with what Bernie said, as it applies to all prisoners and former felons. You picked an extreme in order make an emotional appeal. Millions of Americans that aren't guilty of violent crimes would get to vote again.

Bucky said:
It is sad you care more about protecting the rights of say, the Boston Bomber. What about the rights of those that were killed?
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What do victims rights have to do with this? Most people affected aren't murderers. You're appealing to emotion because your argument is weak.
 
Bucky said:
Let's talk about Bernie Sanders real motivation.

Democrats cannot convince enough people to vote so they are to find/create a new voting bloc.
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But more Americans voted for Hillary than voted for Private Bone Spurs


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Gaius46 said:
Sure it is because everyone’s focusing on an edge case instead of asking exactly what point is served by denying felons the right to vote. There are obvious reasons why felons in prison don’t have access to firearms but they retain many of the rights that you and I have. So why do we restrict their right to vote? What greater societal goal is served?
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Because they showed they could not live in society and the laws that were in place, therefore they don't get to vote on that society and the laws they are ruled by.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Most people in prison never went to trial. They take plea deals because it's often either risk 20 years imprisonment going to trial, or plead guilty and serve 3 years. If you've got a public defender that can spend about an hour on your case, few will risk fighting it. As I said, the vast, vast majority of people in prison have not been convicted and many that plea are not guilty.






Emotional nonsense. As if everyone who's ever committed a crime is literally ISIS.



Allowing felons to vote is tantamount to pardoning their crimes? Congats, you've won the dumbest statement of the day award.
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If someone pleas they are still convicted because the judge has to approve of it....
 
nekrodev said:
the Dem candidate in 2016 won the popular vote by MILLIONS of people. there's not an issue with the number of people voting. and in 2018, the turnout was actually as high, or slightly higher, than the Presidential election in 2016, with Democrats retaking the house.

the Dems don't need new voting blocs, they win in terms of numbers, every time.
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110% false.Do you even look up something before spouting falsehoods?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I have to admit, saying that convicted terrorists in prison have the right to vote is probably enough to disabuse me of wanting to support him. And it's not because I am convinced that he could make such a thing a reality, he never could even with Dem supermajorities wall to wall. It's that if this is the tip of the Iceberg of Cockamamie Ideas, and it probably is, I don't even want to know what's beneath the surface.
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You're right. Cockamamie Ideas is accurate. Bernie Sanders is a moron. I've been saying it over and over. Maybe now people will believe me.
 
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