Bernie Sanders says felons, even Boston Marathon bomber, should have right to vote in prison

[JustHanging]

They have proven themselves unable to be part of a responsible law abiding society.

Just to clarify, my discussion with Bucky was in regards to the killers and terrorists subset of convicts I believe, so that's what I'll be referring to in my replies.

I believe that they have proven themselves incapable of walking freely among the rest of society.

If the right to vote is so important don't commit a crime that could jeopardize the right.

That's not a rational reason to take away their right to vote. That's just you saying they shouldn't be allowed to vote. I need actual rational reasons, not appeals to emotion.

If committing crimes is more important don't bitch when you loose the right to vote.

This is just you whinging. What are the rational reasons to take away their right to vote?

 

[ocean515]

Unfortunately, there are more and more bleeding heart liberals in our legal system. They believe in reforming criminals and compassionate sentencing. What happens unfortunately is that it puts more and more criminals on the street instead of prison, where the blood of those they kill in the hands of the prosecutor and courts.

A significant increase in property crime and burglary in my Southern California city prompted a community meeting with a representative from the Police Department.


The Sargent explained that recent changes in sentencing laws have resulted in a "catch and release" revolving door, so these people are never really off the street.


Just last night, two people broke into the secure building where I live and went through cars etc. in the parking garage.


This is what liberal policies do. Make people insecure in their own homes.


And to think, they want these people to vote.....

 

[Divine_Wind]

So do you believe sex offenders should have all their rights restored upon completion of their sentence?

Correct; either restore their rights or never let them out.

 

[Bucky]

A significant increase in property crime and burglary in my Southern California city prompted a community meeting with a representative from the Police Department.


The Sargent explained that recent changes in sentencing laws have resulted in a "catch and release" revolving door, so these people are never really off the street.


Just last night, two people broke into the secure building where I live and went through cars etc. in the parking garage.


This is what liberal policies do. Make people insecure in their own homes.


And to think, they want these people to vote.....

Seattle has a big homeless problem. Essentially homeless people in Seattle can camp out anywhere and the police will likely do nothing about it.

Look at this story:

SEATTLE — An illegal camp is growing out of the back of the LA Fitness in Lake City.

“It started off with a small tent, and they added another tent, then the tents got bigger, and now there’s a tarp over it,” said Tim Truong, who’s lived in Lake City for five years.

Per-Olaf Swanson, who works out at LA Fitness, said he recently held a ladder for a gym employee so he could climb onto the roof to unplug an extension cord running from a gym outlet to the camp.

“They had broken into the conduits to steal power. And so they have to go and unhook the extension cords,” said Swanson on Wednesday.

A spokesperson for the City of Seattle’s Navigation Team said the City is aware of the camp, but does not have plans to clear it.

Lake City neighbors weary over City's inaction of illegal camp outside LA Fitness | KOMO

And here is a story of a woman being raped by a homeless man:

For the first time, the woman who investigators say was raped by a man who had been living in a city-sanctioned homeless camp in Ballard last year is telling her story.

“I didn't want to die on a linoleum trailer bathroom floor,” she said, identifying herself with only her first name, Lindsey. “I didn't want my story to end there. And I kept fighting.”

he suspect in the rape, Christopher Teel, was living in Nicklesville, then in Ballard, less than a week before the rape. At the time, records show Teel had an active warrant for his arrest in connection with another charge.

The revelation had both the victim and the community asking why the suspect was allowed at a city homeless camp, and what the city could have done to prevent the rape.

But city-sanctioned camps are not required to do criminal background checks, so staff there did not know Teel had an active warrant.

Woman raped by man living in city homeless camp tells story, calls for strong leaders | KIRO-TV

The police in Seattle refuse to do their job.

 

[Thingfish]

Another appeal to emotion. Why? How?

because it’s a million votes all wanting free Twinkie’s and the like.

 

[Bucky]

Correct; either restore their rights or never let them out.

So if a pedophile becomes "reformed" you don't mind them living near schools or even working with children again?

 

[JustHanging]

because it’s a million votes all wanting free Twinkie’s and the like.

Damn dude, your icon is repping Frank Z. The man was smart. Your post is an embarrassment to middle school students. Let's try again.

Bucky said giving them the vote would be catastrophic. Why? How?

 

[ocean515]

Seattle has a big homeless problem. Essentially homeless people in Seattle can camp out anywhere and the police will likely do nothing about it.

Look at this story:



Lake City neighbors weary over City's inaction of illegal camp outside LA Fitness | KOMO

And here is a story of a woman being raped by a homeless man:



Woman raped by man living in city homeless camp tells story, calls for strong leaders | KIRO-TV

The police in Seattle refuse to do their job.

Do the Seattle Police refuse to do their job, or are they risking their jobs if they do? The Sargent who spoke to us said the force is very frustrated but has no choice.

 

[Born Free]

Throwing in the Boston Marathon Bomber is just trying to get emotional reactions. There really is no reason why people in prison shouldn't be able to vote, they're still citizens and most will still be released someday. Why is it that conservatives are so passionate about disenfranchising as many people as they can?

What don't you get, they committed crimes against fellow citizens, but according to you and Sanders you don't give a damn about the victims. Your all worried that those murderers and terrorist etc. be treated as nothing ever happened. Did the murders disenfranchise the victims from voting? No that's right, you don't give a damn about the victims.

 

[Divine_Wind]

So if a pedophile becomes "reformed" you don't mind them living near schools or even working with children again?

How do you determine they are reformed?

Your obsession with sex crimes, especially pedophilia, is obvious. Why are you so interested in those specific crimes and not drugs, murder, theft, etc?

 

[Roadvirus]

Just when you thought the nuttiest thing to be supported by the Democrat 2020 clowns was slavery reparations, The Bern jumps up, says "Hold my beer" and suggests this!

 

[Good4Nothin]

Throwing in the Boston Marathon Bomber is just trying to get emotional reactions. There really is no reason why people in prison shouldn't be able to vote, they're still citizens and most will still be released someday. Why is it that conservatives are so passionate about disenfranchising as many people as they can?

Murderers with a life sentence hopefully won't be released some day. They are kept in prison because they can't be trusted to be part of society. Voting is being part of society.

This is just part of Sanders' extreme socialist philosophy that says people are only in prison because of the evil capitalist system. He would probably like to have convicted pedophiles guarding the daycare centers.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I guess you guys are right in that most American terrorists are right wing extremists that would almost certainly vote Republican, so maybe we could make an exception for them to not vote. Otherwise, no, inmates do not lose all of their constitutional rights, only a handful, and the vast, vast majority of people in prison have never been convicted of a crime. We have a system where there are only two options in the ballot so I do not see the harm in letting all American citizens vote without exception.

I know as conservatives that's going to be a very foreign concept as you've likely got an entire laundry list of reasons you want to strip voting rights from people, innocent and not.

How did that vast majority of prisoners who were never convicted wind up in prison?

 

[Acadia]

Understood. Did you understand my post?

Yes, I want to be clear that Bernie unequivocally said that convicted terrorists should not be denied their right to vote while in prison, even on death row.

 

[ajn678]

It was a loaded question. The broader question was about giving felons the right to vote. The interviewer threw the Boston bomber into the mix as if he’s representative of all jailed felons.

No its not. If you give all felons the right to vote, he would as well.

 

[Acadia]

Murderers with a life sentence hopefully won't be released some day. They are kept in prison because they can't be trusted to be part of society. Voting is being part of society.

This is just part of Sanders' extreme socialist philosophy that says people are only in prison because of the evil capitalist system. He would probably like to have convicted pedophiles guarding the daycare centers.

Pedophiles living next to schools. Why infringe upon their freedom to choose where to live and move about freely in our country after they've served their time? Heck, get rid of the terrorist no-fly list for all Americans. Impeding their freedom to travel in just un-American.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

I agree that felons who have paid their debt to society should be allowed to vote but not those still in prison.

In prison, you have free healthcare, housing and food. What issues do prisoners share with their community? If you promise to shorten their sentences they’ll vote for you.

This is an unforced disastrous error by Bernie.



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[Gaius46]

No its not. If you give all felons the right to vote, he would as well.

Sure it is because everyone’s focusing on an edge case instead of asking exactly what point is served by denying felons the right to vote. There are obvious reasons why felons in prison don’t have access to firearms but they retain many of the rights that you and I have. So why do we restrict their right to vote? What greater societal goal is served?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

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Pedophiles living next to schools. Why infringe upon their freedom to choose where to live and move about freely in our country after they've served their time? Heck, get rid of the terrorist no-fly list for all Americans. Impeding their freedom to travel in just un-American.

Isn’t your side the one arguing that these people should be free to buy guns?


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[Gaius46]

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Pedophiles living next to schools. Why infringe upon their freedom to choose where to live and move about freely in our country after they've served their time? Heck, get rid of the terrorist no-fly list for all Americans. Impeding their freedom to travel in just un-American.

What does the no fly list have to do with this? Are you laboring under misconception that there are actually criminals on the no fly list?

 

[Chillfolks]

Just to clarify, my discussion with Bucky was in regards to the killers and terrorists subset of convicts I believe, so that's what I'll be referring to in my replies.

I believe that they have proven themselves incapable of walking freely among the rest of society.




That's not a rational reason to take away their right to vote. That's just you saying they shouldn't be allowed to vote. I need actual rational reasons, not appeals to emotion.



This is just you whinging. What are the rational reasons to take away their right to vote?

The rational reason is breaking laws come with consequences. Among them are temporary suspension of certain rights. There actions have resulted in them being removed from society. Voting has far reaching consequences on the society they have been determined unable to be a part of. I have seen no rational reason why they should be allowed to proticipate in the society they have been removed from. Agian it was there actions and free will that resulted in there removal. Once their debit to society has been paod in full I support restoration of all rights.

I am leaning to allowing anyone held in jail awaiting trial a vote, but once convicted your punishment begins.

 

[Lovebug]

Throwing in the Boston Marathon Bomber is just trying to get emotional reactions. There really is no reason why people in prison shouldn't be able to vote, they're still citizens and most will still be released someday. Why is it that conservatives are so passionate about disenfranchising as many people as they can?

Tell that to the women or kids who were raped by some bastard. Tell that to the families who have lost a loved. Lets face it, victims and their families exist. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Dylann Storm Roof, Nikolas Cruz...give them a voice?



Sorry Bernie, love ya and all, and support your MFA, but no, don't count on my vote.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

How did that vast majority of prisoners who were never convicted wind up in prison?

What the actual **** are you talking about?

Most people in prison never went to trial. They take plea deals because it's often either risk 20 years imprisonment going to trial, or plead guilty and serve 3 years. If you've got a public defender that can spend about an hour on your case, few will risk fighting it. As I said, the vast, vast majority of people in prison have not been convicted and many that plea are not guilty.

Tell that to the women or kids who were raped by some bastard. Tell that to the families who have lost a loved. Lets face it, victims and their families exist. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Dylann Storm Roof, Nikolas Cruz...give them a voice?
Sorry Bernie, love ya and all, and support your MFA, but no, don't count on my vote.

Murderers with a life sentence hopefully won't be released some day. They are kept in prison because they can't be trusted to be part of society. Voting is being part of society.

This is just part of Sanders' extreme socialist philosophy that says people are only in prison because of the evil capitalist system. He would probably like to have convicted pedophiles guarding the daycare centers.

What don't you get, they committed crimes against fellow citizens, but according to you and Sanders you don't give a damn about the victims. Your all worried that those murderers and terrorist etc. be treated as nothing ever happened. Did the murders disenfranchise the victims from voting? No that's right, you don't give a damn about the victims.

Emotional nonsense. As if everyone who's ever committed a crime is literally ISIS.

There is a very good reason why convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to vote.

When someone breaks the law, they are tacitly accepting the ramifications for doing so. It's a choice they make. A crime that warrants a felony charge, includes the provision that part of the debt to society that must be paid is the loss of voting rights. Allowing felons to vote is tantamount to a partial pardon of their crime.

At the end of the day, why can't Bernie, and anyone else who agree with this, be honest? This policy effort has nothing to do with compassion, or anything else. Just like changing the voting age to 16, or supporting open borders, this is all about votes and power.
Just say so. Everyone knows that is the case.

Allowing felons to vote is tantamount to pardoning their crimes? Congats, you've won the dumbest statement of the day award.

 

[Lovebug]

Most people in prison never went to trial. They take plea deals because it's often either risk 20 years imprisonment going to trial, or plead guilty and serve 3 years. If you've got a public defender that can spend about an hour on your case, few will risk fighting it. As I said, the vast, vast majority of people in prison have not been convicted and many that plea are not guilty.






Emotional nonsense. As if everyone who's ever committed a crime is literally ISIS.



Allowing felons to vote is tantamount to pardoning their crimes? Congats, you've won the dumbest statement of the day award.

So make if know that someone who used high school kids as targets should be able to vote.
Heck, why not give them a minimum wage and a car.

 

[Bucky]

Most people in prison never went to trial. They take plea deals because it's often either risk 20 years imprisonment going to trial, or plead guilty and serve 3 years. If you've got a public defender that can spend about an hour on your case, few will risk fighting it. As I said, the vast, vast majority of people in prison have not been convicted and many that plea are not guilty.






Emotional nonsense. As if everyone who's ever committed a crime is literally ISIS.



Allowing felons to vote is tantamount to pardoning their crimes? Congats, you've won the dumbest statement of the day award.

It is sad you care more about protecting the rights of say, the Boston Bomber. What about the rights of those that were killed?