Bernie Sanders is probably going to win both the nomination and presidency...

[slick]

Bernie doesn't pander? I guess that's true if you ignore his endless promises of free stuff in exchange for your vote.

He doesn't pander he means it unlike Warren who still to this day tells the middle class they'll pay no extra taxes on her medicare for all nonsense.
Bernie tells it like it is.

 

[GreatNews2night]

You misspelled Buttigieg. I assume you’re not lazy or stupid enough to have made that statement without researching it. 49% of Bernie Sanders supporters are white, compared to 56% of Biden’s.

https://theintercept.com/2019/03/06/bernie-sanders-black-voters-2020/

2020: Bernie Sanders’s real base is diverse — and very young - Vox

The Quiet Death of the “White Bernie Bro” Attack

It doesn't make it any less true that, like Buttigieg, Bernie doesn't have good numbers with the black community. He just doesn't. To pretend that he does is disingenuous.

 

[Craig234]

Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination in Vermont — but he won’t accept it if he wins.

The famously independent senator, who briefly joined the Democratic Party to run in the 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary only to un-enroll later, officially announced Monday that he would seek a third term in the Senate this fall. He also said that he’ll pull the same maneuver that he did in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races: Running as a Democrat, declining the nomination when he wins and then running as an independent.
Sanders to run as a Democrat — but not accept nomination - POLITICO

From your link, we see the Democratic Party accepts Sanders as a Democrat - and Democratic voters obviously do also - and that the only bitter people fighting against party unity are the corporatist Hillary zealots.

The Vermont Democratic Party passed a resolution over the weekend supporting Sanders’ move, proclaiming that he could still be considered a member of the party “for all purposes and entitled to all the rights and privileges that come with such membership at the state and federal level.”

“It’s hard to explain to people from out of state how we’ve made peace with it as a party, how Bernie’s made peace with it. We’re on board,” said Vermont state chairman Terje Anderson.

Anderson pointed out that Sanders appears at party fundraisers, and participates in the coordinated campaign efforts with other Democrats. He acknowledged that the approach probably “intimidates people from running,” but he said that the complaints about this among state Democrats have faded, and the role that Sanders has taken on nationally has helped with that.

“It’s a minority, and it’s a shrinking minority over time as he’s done more and more for the party and with the party,” Anderson said...

In a statement, Sanders thanked the state party for the resolution, citing the work that he’s doing pushing for a change in the economy in Vermont and around the country.

“I welcome the Vermont Democratic Party's work to build bridges and not walls,” Sanders said. “Let's fight for our children's future and not over labels."

Amid the bitterness of the 2016 primaries, there had been some chatter among Hillary Clinton supporters of finding a candidate to run against Sanders. Nothing materialized. Nor have any other viable candidates emerged — the filing deadline is next week and Anderson said that he hadn’t heard of anyone else collecting signatures.

But the frustration was still evident among Clinton backers, if not in Vermont.

“And this guy wants to run for the Democratic nomination in 2020 lol,” tweeted Clinton political adviser Adam Parkhomenko.

Yes, Bernie campaign his ass off for Hillary, and her supporters were trying to get him defeated. She just keeps hurting the Democratic Party. The progressive side needs to defeat the corporatist side.

 

[Craig234]

But does he plan to remain there if he wins? If he wins does he go back to being an indie? He did that after 2016 he didnt stay a dem. Thats what makes some nervous.

I expect he will remain a Democrat as president. Whatever the label, he has the best policies compared to any other Democrat. He's the best Democrat I know, whatever the label.

 

[GreatNews2night]

I expect he will remain a Democrat as president. Whatever the label, he has the best policies compared to any other Democrat. He's the best Democrat I know, whatever the label.

As president? He is not going to be the president. Unless it's the president of his home owner association or something. POTUS? Nah. He won't even win the Dem nomination, much less the presidency.

 

[Craig234]

It really doesn’t matter whether he does or doesn’t stay with the party. He owes the DP nothing. As I and another poster mentioned earlier, they gave him the platform but he got them Democratic voters.

I think he SHOULD remain a Democrat as president, but that the party needs big reforms to return it to an FDR party, not a Clinton/Obama corporatist party. Even at the height of FDR's power, that same wing fought and defeated even FDR, forcing his VP, Henry Wallace, off the ticket to replace him with the pro-business Harry Truman, changing American history to benefit the growing corporate power.

 

[Craig234]

He doesn't pander

The right attacks Bernie's fighting for the American people to do better with things like healthcare and education as "pandering", but you NEVER EVER see them say that a Republican offer entirely borrowed tax cuts for the rich to increase plutocracy even more is "pandering" to the rich. THAT is just fine!

 

[pilot16]

From your link, we see the Democratic Party accepts Sanders as a Democrat - and Democratic voters obviously do also - and that the only bitter people fighting against party unity are the corporatist Hillary zealots.



Yes, Bernie campaign his ass off for Hillary, and her supporters were trying to get him defeated. She just keeps hurting the Democratic Party. The progressive side needs to defeat the corporatist side.

Good luck with that. I agree in theory it needs and should happen, but realistically it wont. I also think the DNC and the big players of Wall Street are terrified of Sanders and Warren and they will be pressuring for a centrist. If Trump werent there, its possible they might allow Sanders in due to his massive support among young and Latino voters, the future of the Democratic party. But Trump poses an enormous risk and for that reason they will play it safe and push a centrist to the forefront. Personally I think Biden is dangerous because one never knows what he might say. Just yesterday he said "McConnell will come around and play nice with democrats" if he is elected. Seems Joe forgot about Merrick Garland. I also think should Bernie get the shaft in any way there will be a split in the party. AOC will be making it happen. Issues like climate change and healthcare will also force the change. The young generation is coming and 2020 is likely to be the last election the boomers will control.

 

[Craig234]

I agree in theory it needs and should happen

Good to hear.

But Trump poses an enormous risk and for that reason they will play it safe and push a centrist to the forefront.

Not only is Bernie right on policy, but he's also the candidate who can best beat trump. Biden is Hillary 2.0 and IMO has a much greater chance of losing than Bernie. The reason the party opposes Bernie isn't electability, it's big donors.

 

[pilot16]

Good to hear.



Not only is Bernie right on policy, but he's also the candidate who can best beat trump. Biden is Hillary 2.0 and IMO has a much greater chance of losing than Bernie. The reason the party opposes Bernie isn't electability, it's big donors.

Maybe not quite sure. I do tend to think that some also are afraid of "going too far left." Hear some moderates up here in New England saying "democrats are toying with picking another McGovern." So I still think there a quite a few in the D party that are permanent centrists and dont want the change. There are a lot of donors and party members who are certain the way to victory in 2020 is to pick a centrist and then lure over the NeverTrump republicans and victory. However, that sort of was the case in 2016 as Hillary was the centrist candidate and I still remember the media so pleased that she was getting so many GOP endorsements. Yet the progressives stayed home. For 2020, I think the same could happen. Sure Biden might bring over the disgruntled republicans, but he also might turn off the progressives and the youth. Its sort of a Catch 22 frankly and I suspect a lot of it depends on two things, 1)how badly the country wants Trump gone, and 2) is there still an anti establishment vibe?

 

[veritas1]

Those are your opinions without any support. America generally wants national health care. America wants Trump to broker with the Dems a sane immigration policy, which we don't have. No one is weakening law enforcements. No one is subsidizing the homeless to remain homeless. The energy industry is not driving the economy, in fact it is having far less impact on it. No one gives a crap that you are homophobic. If you are white, male, and Christian (which I am), if you think you are being demonized: take a look at yourself.

You keep this up, this whining pity party, you with the GOP as a whole are going to have a very unhappy November election.

You're a real joke. Homophobic? Where did you get that out of my post? Your continued personal attacks just point out the complete weakness of all your arguments. In fact, calling them arguments is very generous. If you don't think the energy industry is a major component of this economy then there's not much to say because you obviously live in a different world from the real one. Oh, and the Dems fight real immigration reform tooth and nail just as they fight sealing the border. They do it because they have no interest in stopping illegal immigration whatsoever. They think it benefits them politically going forward, and so, are all for it.

 

[joko104]

Sanders has Putin's, Iran Supreme Leader's and Kim Jung Un's support for certain.

 

[jamesbyoung]

You're a real joke. Homophobic? Where did you get that out of my post? Your continued personal attacks just point out the complete weakness of all your arguments. In fact, calling them arguments is very generous. If you don't think the energy industry is a major component of this economy then there's not much to say because you obviously live in a different world from the real one. Oh, and the Dems fight real immigration reform tooth and nail just as they fight sealing the border. They do it because they have no interest in stopping illegal immigration whatsoever. They think it benefits them politically going forward, and so, are all for it.

veritas, go back and read all of your comments. We were talking about coal and oil specifically not the energy industry itself. Quit twisting and moving the goal posts. Every thinking person here has no trouble staking down your arguments like flailing, wailing vampires. Please, give us all something worthy to discuss.

 

[veritas1]

veritas, go back and read all of your comments. We were talking about coal and oil specifically not the energy industry itself. Quit twisting and moving the goal posts. Every thinking person here has no trouble staking down your arguments like flailing, wailing vampires. Please, give us all something worthy to discuss.

Right, as if the oil industry isn't a huge component of US energy. I mean, we only lead the world in its production. Throw in natural gas, too, which you guys also want to eradicate. No, you haven't put a dent in my points. You've only further confirmed them.

 

[Dans La Lune]

This is a devastating analysis... for Bernie’s opponents.

 

[btthegreat]

Bernie doesn't pander? I guess that's true if you ignore his endless promises of free stuff in exchange for your vote.

You know someone is 'pandering' for your vote, if he diverges from a lifelong vision, than preceded him running for election in order to get support. The 'free stuff' you are talking about is entirely consistent with a socialist or progressive doctrine to which Sanders has devoted most of his adult life. If Trump decided to endorse these policies despite his more conservative vision, that would be 'pandering' for votes.

Sanders believes these ideas represent good public policy and we can prove it by examining his past statements endorsing it when he did not need votes.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Right, as if the oil industry isn't a huge component of US energy. I mean, we only lead the world in its production. Throw in natural gas, too, which you guys also want to eradicate. No, you haven't put a dent in my points. You've only further confirmed them.

You are moving the goal posts again and continue to fail.

 

[aociswundumho]

You know someone is 'pandering' for your vote, if he diverges from a lifelong vision, than preceded him running for election in order to get support. The 'free stuff' you are talking about is entirely consistent with a socialist or progressive doctrine to which Sanders has devoted most of his adult life. If Trump decided to endorse these policies despite his more conservative vision, that would be 'pandering' for votes.

Sanders believes these ideas represent good public policy and we can prove it by examining his past statements endorsing it when he did not need votes.

Gimme a break. Sanders never worked a day in his entire life. He's been living off the taxpayer for 40 years and yes he keeps to the same shtick because it works on the gullible idiots who vote for him. He's a filthy Marxist and always has been:

Is Bernie Sanders a Marxist?

 

[Craig234]

Maybe not quite sure. I do tend to think that some also are afraid of "going too far left." Hear some moderates up here in New England saying "democrats are toying with picking another McGovern." So I still think there a quite a few in the D party that are permanent centrists and dont want the change. There are a lot of donors and party members who are certain the way to victory in 2020 is to pick a centrist and then lure over the NeverTrump republicans and victory. However, that sort of was the case in 2016 as Hillary was the centrist candidate and I still remember the media so pleased that she was getting so many GOP endorsements. Yet the progressives stayed home. For 2020, I think the same could happen. Sure Biden might bring over the disgruntled republicans, but he also might turn off the progressives and the youth. Its sort of a Catch 22 frankly and I suspect a lot of it depends on two things, 1)how badly the country wants Trump gone, and 2) is there still an anti establishment vibe?

the basic problem is that they have a misinformed understanding, and only think about that 'too far left' worry; they don't understand that we are in a radical move to plutocracy, and the 'lesser' left positions they want are nothing but 'plutocrat-light' policies, and will neither provide the changes we need NOR attract the voters. That's why they need to be told Bernie is like FDR, not Stalin.

They have an irrational, and incorrect, aversion to the right policies; in a word, they are brainwashed. And that is a real challenge for Bernie to overcome, one that has given us plutocracy for 40 years, but one that he has been a one man army at changing public opinion about, a historic figure. But is it enough to get low-information Democrats to understand? We'll see.

 

[btthegreat]

Gimme a break. Sanders never worked a day in his entire life. He's been living off the taxpayer for 40 years and yes he keeps to the same shtick because it works on the gullible idiots who vote for him. He's a filthy Marxist and always has been:

Is Bernie Sanders a Marxist?

well, what he does now is 'work'. when I look at his bio, He worked as a Head Start teacher, a psychiatric aide, and a carpenter, a filmmaker and a writer, and the director of the APHS, then mayor of Vermont's most populous city, then as a Congressman, and then as a Senator. Now if you don't think people who get paid by the taxpayer are earning their money, maybe you should talk to the police, the DA's office, the fire dept, teachers, the governors staff, the folks at the county clerks office, and of course the lazy asses of all those privates, sergeants, sailors, generals, cooks, secretaries etc sitting around doing nothing in our military. I won't comment on whether he is a 'marxist' because it is up to him to label his views not me.

He does not look filthy to me, but I don't know how often he showers.

Who do you 'work off of'? I 'work off of' Medicare, Medicaid, and social security checks that come to an Assisted Living care facility.

 

[washunut]

Sanders has Putin's, Iran Supreme Leader's and Kim Jung Un's support for certain.

Lets not forget the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah!

 

[slick]

Bernie's health will be the ? mark.

However, the Dems will rally around him and he is popular with many Trump populists in WI, MI, and PA.

Bernie most likely will be the Democratic nominee that's almost a given. The question is who he'll pick for VP.
My guesses:

1) Stacey Abrams, Georgia is slowly becoming a tossup state & Abrams could give him the best chance to win
there, also she would be the best to bring huge black numbers to the polls

2) Midwestern rustbelt contestants like Buttiibieg or Klobucher may be a slight help in their localities & they are
relatively young which is a must for Bernie

3) Gabbard, she gave up her cushy job in the DNC in 2016 election cycle realizing the DNC was setting things
up for Mrs. Clinton & went on the support Bernis plus there has been speculation that if she ran 3rd party she
would take more votes away from Trump than she would the Democrat. Those 1 or 2 point taken away from
Trump could make the difference. Her no regime change wars is popular & something Bernie himself
is in tune with.

4) An almost 80 year old will never pick someone closely approaching his age like Warren or Biden.

 

[slick]

I agree with you about New Hampshire. He did win here in 2016, but don't see him doing it again next month.

I actually think it will be either Biden or Mayor Pete who wins New Hampshire.

These figures come from one of the 2 top sports books taking bets on the primaries (bookmaker.eu)
Bernie is a shoo-in in New Hamphire & the favorite in Iowa

DEMOCRATIC NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY WINNER

Joe Biden+390
Elizabeth Warren+784
Bernie Sanders-166
Pete Buttigieg+529
Andrew Yang+1451
Amy Klobuchar+2046
Tom Steyer+12500
Tulsi Gabbard+5000
Michael Bloomberg+8500

DEMOCRATIC IOWA CAUCUS WINNER
Joe Biden+275
Elizabeth Warren+935
Bernie Sanders+128
Pete Buttigieg+255
Andrew Yang+1302
Amy Klobuchar+1100
Tom Steyer+25000
Tulsi Gabbard+30000
Michael Bloomberg+16500

 

[slick]

Bernie most likely will be the Democratic nominee that's almost a given. The question is who he'll pick for VP.
My guesses:

1) Stacey Abrams, Georgia is slowly becoming a tossup state & Abrams could give him the best chance to win
there, also she would be the best to bring huge black numbers to the polls

2) Midwestern rustbelt contestants like Buttiibieg or Klobucher may be a slight help in their localities & they are
relatively young which is a must for Bernie

3) Gabbard, she gave up her cushy job in the DNC in 2016 election cycle realizing the DNC was setting things
up for Mrs. Clinton & went on the support Bernis plus there has been speculation that if she ran 3rd party she
would take more votes away from Trump than she would the Democrat. Those 1 or 2 point taken away from
Trump could make the difference. Her no regime change wars is popular & something Bernie himself
is in tune with.

4) An almost 80 year old will never pick someone closely approaching his age like Warren or Biden.

Odds for Democrat VP selection at abcislands offshore sports book:

2020 DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE

I can not see how they have HARRIS as the early favorite for VP, the Dems have California locked up, they don't
need a senator from that state to eek out more votes for the candidate as they won California by 4,000,000 votes last time.
Besides Harris is almost as unlikable as Mrs. Clinton


KAMALA HARRIS +400

STACEY ABRAMS +700

PETE BUTTIGIEG +750

AMY KLOBUCHAR +1200

CORY BOOKER +1250

 

[Jack Hays]

2020 ELECTION
January 9, 2020 11:00 AM[h=2]Who Will Win The 2020 Democratic Nomination?[/h]By Nate Silver