Bernie Sanders already gearing up for 2020? [W:59]

[OldFatGuy]

And what exactly are trumps kids doing for their pay?

None of his kids are on the Federal payroll. Yup, despite the brouhaha about his kids working for him, no Federal salaries.

Ivanka receives the benefit of use of Whitehouse staff when she is in the Whitehouse, but so did Obama's kids. She also receives Secret Service protection, so did Obama's kids.

Trump's other kids, including Ivanka, have their protective services paid for by the Trump Organization, Ltd., a division of The Trump Organization, Inc. The company which has that contract, a company composed mostly of former military police officers and retired Detectives from the NYPD, is considered one of the best in the industry, and far more effective than the Secret Service. Before I retired two years ago, they were one of my competitors, and the company I recommended most often when clients had needs beyond the capacity I and mine could furnish. Among their other clients, Mike Bloomberg, Time Warner, the Ford Foundation, Rockefeller University, and so forth. I will not name, their name is not for public knowledge, and I will not compromise their position, no more than I'd name my own former company for the same reasons. It is still in business.

You could have done your own research to answer your own question.

 

[Surrealistik]

If Bernie runs and somehow wins the nomination, the GOP will pin the "socialist" label to Bernie and it will stick. We will then lose again to someone like Trump again or worse. The GOP have proven they're much better at winning elections. Once they win, they govern like ****, but they're good at winning. Fair or not, we've got to run someone hip, who can connect with young and old people alike, or we're going to lose again. Unfortunately, that's the world we currently live in.

Well first off, the brand of 'socialist' has lost much of its punch, and I don't see that trend stopping.

Further, I think Bernie would stand up pretty well to the usual smears and lines of attack; if you saw the Bernie vs Cruz debate, it should be pretty clear that those arguments won't find much purchase because he has excellent answers to them. Given Trump's insistence on providing billionaires a massive debt increasing giveaway, they can't even really go after him on the basis of fiscal responsibility since Bernie has clear plans for funding the majority of his policies.

 

[lurchadams]

Well first off, the brand of 'socialist' has lost much of its punch, and I don't see that trend stopping.

Further, I think Bernie would stand up pretty well to the usual smears and lines of attack; if you saw the Bernie vs Cruz debate, it should be pretty clear that those arguments won't find much purchase because he has excellent answers to them. Given Trump's insistence on providing billionaires a massive debt increasing giveaway, they can't even really go after him on the basis of fiscal responsibility since Bernie has clear plans for funding the majority of his policies.

Bernie's message does appeal to some of the disenchanted working white voters that pinned their hopes to Trump, I agree.

Do you consider Bernie's age in 2020 an issue at all?

 

[Surrealistik]

Bernie's message does appeal to some of the disenchanted working white voters that pinned their hopes to Trump, I agree.

Do you consider Bernie's age in 2020 an issue at all?

It could be a problem, but we'll have to see how he holds up going into 2020.

That said, it's no more of a problem than it is for Joe Biden.

Personally, I would love Tulsi as president; my only concern is that Bernie has the popularity, recognition and momentum, while he's proven capable of handling himself in the face of Republican attack/rhetoric, and she has to start over from scratch.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

It could be a problem, but we'll have to see how he holds up going into 2020.

That said, it's no more of a problem than it is for Joe Biden.

Personally, I would love Tulsi as president; my only concern is that Bernie has the popularity, recognition and momentum, while he's proven capable of handling himself in the face of Republican attack/rhetoric, and she has to start over from scratch.

Which begs the question: can Bernie’s movement survive without him?

 

[lurchadams]

It could be a problem, but we'll have to see how he holds up going into 2020.

That said, it's no more of a problem than it is for Joe Biden.

Personally, I would love Tulsi as president; my only concern is that Bernie has the popularity, recognition and momentum, while he's proven capable of handling himself in the face of Republican attack/rhetoric, and she has to start over from scratch.

I used Tusli as an example 'cause I love her. Another option would be the CA lieutenant gov, Gavin Newsom. How about Bernie as #2 on the ticket?

 

[Surrealistik]

Which begs the question: can Bernie’s movement survive without him?

I think so; since there are clear heirs to the progressive moment such as Nina and Tulsi which are furthermore impervious to the usual tired and nonsense slanders leveled against progressive supporters of being sexist, racist/anti-minority, not even a Democrat, etc.

Obviously losing Bernie would have a dampening effect, but it wouldn't kill the FDR wing; we were here before Bernie and we'll be here long after.

 

[OldFatGuy]

I agree, much of the medical issues faced in society is self inflicted. Which is another reason why socialized healthcare is moral dilemma. Why should someone be forced to pay for others lack of self control (obesity) or indifference to their health (smoking, lack if exercise)

It's not a question of who pays, nor is it a question of who's getting something for nothing. I am my brother's keeper, and that is the moral imperative.

However, if we can shift the healthcare paradigm from procedural remuneration to prevention, the bills will go down for everyone, even tho there will be slackers. There will always be those who fail, and those seeking to game the system, whatever the system is. Regardless, the time for change is an opportunity for a can do attitude, and that is the American way, can do.

Graduating medical school and obtaining a medical license should not be a license to drive a BMW, but a license to drive a Pontiac, and I know GM no longer manufactures or sells Pontiacs.

 

[Surrealistik]

I used Tusli as an example 'cause I love her. Another option would be the CA lieutenant gov, Gavin Newsom. How about Bernie as #2 on the ticket?

I wouldn't at all mind Bernie as #2 so long as Nina or Tulsi were #1; even Warren at #1 would be acceptable if significantly less preferable.

As things stand, and they could absolutely change by 2020 and the end of the primary, the best ticket would probably be Bernie at #1 and Nina, Tulsi or Warren at #2.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

I think so; since there are clear heirs to the progressive moment such as Nina and Tulsi which are furthermore impervious to the usual tired and nonsense slanders leveled against progressive supporters of being sexist, racist/anti-minority, not even a Democrat, etc.

Obviously losing Bernie would have a dampening effect, but it wouldn't kill the FDR wing; we were here before Bernie and we'll be here long after.

FDR was many things, but he was not a ideologe.

His first Vice President was jack Garner of Texas, “cactus jack” was a conservative Democrat.

FDR was a politican first, and as much as I praise him I have to admit that he was not the perfect liberal.

 

[Nap]

It's not a question of who pays, nor is it a question of who's getting something for nothing. I am my brother's keeper, and that is the moral imperative.

However, if we can shift the healthcare paradigm from procedural remuneration to prevention, the bills will go down for everyone, even tho there will be slackers. There will always be those who fail, and those seeking to game the system, whatever the system is. Regardless, the time for change is an opportunity for a can do attitude, and that is the American way, can do.

Graduating medical school and obtaining a medical license should not be a license to drive a BMW, but a license to drive a Pontiac, and I know GM no longer manufactures or sells Pontiacs.

Given the difficulty of becoming a Doctor both mentally and financially, we are going to disagree on the BMW comment. We want to increase incentives to be a Doctor not reduce.

 

[Surrealistik]

FDR was many things, but he was not a ideologe.

His first Vice President was jack Garner of Texas, “cactus jack” was a conservative Democrat.

FDR was a politican first, and as much as I praise him I have to admit that he was not the perfect liberal.

No one's a perfect liberal; there is no such thing.

However, this ideologue stuff is just yet another nonsense smear: Bernie is no more rigid and uncompromising than FDR; both had (and have) to remain steadfast in the face of immense and well-financed opposition.

 

[Grand Mal]

Lol !
Study proves " grammar nazi's " are jerks...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...correct-typos-may-be-jerks-study-finds-2016-3

'Course they are. Here's how it works- smart people read a lot and they don't have to think about how to spell simple words. People who are, uh, less smart don't read much and make lots of mistakes. They hate being corrected, though, and so they think anyone smarter than they are is a jerk.
They get lots of sympathy and support too. It's that whole 'cult of ignorance' thing.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

No one's a perfect liberal; there is no such thing.

However, this ideologue stuff is just yet another nonsense smear: Bernie is no more rigid and uncompromising than FDR; both had (and have) to remain steadfast in the face of immense and well-financed opposition.

And FDR has no knowledge of economics theory, his campaign against Herbert Hoover in 1932 was light on policy details. The primary message was that Hoover and Republican Party ideology he represented was bankrupt in the face of the Great Depression. Lassie faire economics of the 1920s hit a brick wall during the period of 1929-1932.

Eric Rauchway’s the Great Depression and the New Deal: a very short introduction is a good synthesis of the history of that time period.

 

[Surrealistik]

And FDR has no knowledge of economics theory, his campaign against Herbert Hoover in 1932 was light on policy details. The primary message was that Hoover and Republican Party ideology he represented was bankrupt in the face of the Great Depression. Lassie faire economics of the 1920s hit a brick wall during the period of 1929-1932.

Eric Rauchway’s the Great Depression and the New Deal: a very short introduction is a good synthesis of the history of that time period.

Fortunately Bernie's plans are more detailed as people both on the right and left rightfully insisted they should be.

The parallel though, of economic exigency survives intact however, as well as the failure, both realized and ongoing, of a predecessor ideology (third-way neoliberalism).

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Fortunately Bernie's plans are more detailed as people both on the right and left rightfully insisted they should be.

The parallel though, of economic exigency survives intact however, as well as the failure, both realized and ongoing, of a predecessor ideology (third-way neoliberalism).

Here is a hypothetical list of democrats who might be in the running for 2020

Joe Biden

Bernie Sanders

Cory booker

Kamala Harris

Elizabeth Warren

Amy klobochar

Andrew Cuomo

Al Franken.

Heck let me throw in a few wild cards: names of politicians who might get in the game at some point.

Jason Kander

Chris murphy

Martin o’malley


All of them might be considering running for President in 2020.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Given the difficulty of becoming a Doctor both mentally and financially, we are going to disagree on the BMW comment. We want to increase incentives to be a Doctor not reduce.

Material incentives are not the answer to better medical care. I prefer to pay my doctors with live chickens and home grown tomatoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TWwyhCVBDg

 

[blackjack50]

How about Republican disgrace! Trump throughly insults Ted Cruz and his father, and then we find Cruz backing Trump to the hilt. This is far from the only example of this disgrace.

Donald trump also donated money to Hillary Clinton.

 

[OldFatGuy]

And FDR has no knowledge of economics theory, his campaign against Herbert Hoover in 1932 was light on policy details. The primary message was that Hoover and Republican Party ideology he represented was bankrupt in the face of the Great Depression. Lassie faire economics of the 1920s hit a brick wall during the period of 1929-1932.

Eric Rauchway’s the Great Depression and the New Deal: a very short introduction is a good synthesis of the history of that time period.

Hoover was an engineer, a very good engineer. He knew even less the Roosevelt about economics, and that's why he was intellectually paralyzed when confronted by the Depression. Honestly, every program FDR instigated failed as an economic cure. Some created other benefits, like the TVA and the WPA, which left us some superb legacies. But it was the war and initially the lend lease program which got factories humming again.

As much as many people suffered during the Depression, many made fortunes that have endured for generations. Often overlooked. Nothing is all Black & White.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Hoover was an engineer, a very good engineer. He knew even less the Roosevelt about economics, and that's why he was intellectually paralyzed when confronted by the Depression. Honestly, every program FDR instigated failed as an economic cure. Some created other benefits, like the TVA and the WPA, which left us some superb legacies. But it was the war and initially the lend lease program which got factories humming again.

As much as many people suffered during the Depression, many made fortunes that have endured for generations. Often overlooked. Nothing is all Black & White.

What got the country out of the Great Depression was government spending, a lot of government spending that was all aimed at winning World War Two.

On of the primary factors that caused The Great Depression was the imbalance of wealth in this country, the wealthy upper class had all of the money and was responsible for all the economic spending. When the stock market crash panicked the rich investors and made them stop spending, the economy went downhill.

 

[Nap]

Material incentives are not the answer to better medical care. I prefer to pay my doctors with live chickens and home grown tomatoes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TWwyhCVBDg

Lol, I am sure you would, and there may be some that would take you up on that.

 

[Common Sense 1]

We lost so badly that we had 3 million more votes.

So, so funny... Trump won the legal way the electoral college vote. Someone was to dense to campaign in Michigan, Wisconsin but I don't have to tell the story.

Mr. Trump won held 306 electoral votes and Hillary only 232! And that equals President Trump!

 

[Floridafan]

So, so funny... Trump won the legal way the electoral college vote. Someone was to dense to campaign in Michigan, Wisconsin but I don't have to tell the story.

Mr. Trump won held 306 electoral votes and Hillary only 232! And that equals President Trump!

The POPULAR vote, tell us just who the American people wanted for their President, plain and simple.

 

[Moderate Right]

Conservatives have been predicting Obamacare's demise since it started. It wasn't true then. The CBO just a few months ago reported that the ACA was stable and sustainable. It wasn't until Trump's deliberate sabotage of the ACA that the insurance markets are in jeopardy in certain markets.

Tell that to the middle classers who get no subsidies and who can't afford Obamacare.

 

[Moderate Right]

Polling wasn't off. They showed her beating trump by 1-2 pts. And she did.

Electoral college is a different animal. However Trump would've assuredly lost to Sanders as he was down about 10pts vs. Sanders. 10pts is enough to prevent democracy malfunctions.

Trump acting like him eeking a win out gives him a giant mandate is ridiculous.


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Polling was waaaaaaaaaaaaay off. All the polls predicted Hillary would win. You just want to spin the truth to make yourselves look better.