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Bermuda Reversed Gay Marriage Law!

Homosexual people already have their rights granted by the Constitution. Why create "Special" laws just for them. Why do they need to marry? Again, it's just so they can take advantage of taxes that are meant for those who support children.

And why dont/shouldnt gay couples have the same tax benefits to support their children as straight couples? WHy should their kids get less advantages or opportunities?

Wouldnt that be 'equal?'
 
Hmmmm...no.

Marriage is only a "holy union" when it does not involve all those pesky legal rights that only those legally married can claim. You know, the things you usually need that marriage certificate for?

If you want to go out in the wilderness, and have someone simply say some words while you vow to be faithful in the sight of deity, no one cares.

When you start talking about shared property rights, visitation rights, rights to make choices for the incapacitated spouse, and inheritance rights? That's all law, not religion.

Moreover, as long as the religious sect or belief system says same-sex marriage is perfectly okay in the sight of their Deity, what right do you have to say otherwise?

Yes. An how can marriage legaly be a 'Holy Union' under a constitution which separates church and state?
 
True, but these laws can been used in conjunction with other laws to avoid constitutional law. This is what Iean by dismantle. But what you say is my point, they have their "equal" rights. They point to equal rights, but want to change marriage law. Rights are given based on the Constitution.

Changing marriage law only serves to help socially engineer other peoples children from afar.

Marriage isnt a right recognized in the Constitution however Americans have a right to marry. From reading your posts, It seems you arent familiar with the 9th Amendment.
"The Ninth Amendment, or Amendment IX of the United States Constitution is the section of the Bill of Rights that states that there are other rights that may exist aside from the ones explicitly mentioned, and even though they are not listed, it does not mean they can be violated."

https://www.google.com/search?q=9th...0j35i39j0l3.2710j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

OTOH, equality for American citizens is clearly recognized in the Constitution, thus gay couples, as Americans, should not be discriminated against when receiving tax or other federal and state benefits.
 
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Its been awhile since I've been on a forum. But before you mentioned quoting others I did remember to do so.

Also, Through the several posts, I have mentioned my thoughts about homosexual people being around children. Let alone adopting, though I didn't mention adoption.

They are only serving the purpose of helping to socially engineer other people's children.
I am also aware that homosexual couple's of the opposite sex do have children. The logic of this is what? They may as well be straight and not promote the problem of homosexuality.

Let's see your peer-reviewed studies on any harm or differences in the raising of kids by gay couples.

Otherwise this is just your own anecdotal bias, not reality.
 
That doesn't answer my question about who the homosexuals deity is. Unless your just trying to say they don't share the same one. And they were just all cannibalized into what they are from other people's religions.

I also didn't say anything about true or false deity. Neither did mention who I believe to be God. But you did mention others to believe the good I believe in to be false. Who is the god that others believe to be false that you assume is mine?

What 'homosexual deity?'

My gay cousin was married in a church. He's a Christian.

Are you saying that gays are not Christians or Jews or Muslims?

Are you saying that Christian gays worship some other 'Father of Christ????'
 
I am actually a straight person. As to how it affects me. I hadn't put alot of thought into homosexuals up until 2012. I just tried to avoid them as much as possible. I just disregarded their come ons and went on with my life. Things have since changed as they have done everything they can to be as pervasive into my life as possible. They have begun attacking me personally because I do not accept their come ons. When a homosexual cannot accept someone not being interested and then trying to disrupt you life, they are in the wrong.

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I am a straight woman. Welcome to our world and stop acting like a victim.
 
Also, unless you don't have ears that work, you cannot dismiss what I say as opinion unless you are just flat out lying.

Your posts are ONLY opinion until you source them with links to peer-reviewed or other credible sources.
 
Why souldnt they marry?
TO many, it is a question of moral right and wrong. Morality is based on an individuals belief system. If your belief system holds that the act of homosexuality is immoral and therefore...wrong...then gay marriage would also be immoral and wrong.

You known that...right? I mean...you didnt REALLY have to ask that question, did you?
 
I pretty much agree...provided that agreement and courtesy is extended both ways. Marriage as a civil contract really has nothing to do with the religious ideas of matrimony. At the same time...religious folk shouldnt be forced to participate in gay wedding rites. Yes...that includes baking cakes. Government entities...completely different. If you work for the government and hire on to a government agency it should be understood...you will be expected to rubber stamp gay marriages if that be the law of the land.

That being said...SINCE it is a civil commitment, it SHOULD be something the people should vote on.

When did we vote on straight marriage? Or interracial marriage?

IMO, the govt shouldnt be involved in that contract at all but it has chosen to accord benefits and other recognitions to married couples so people have mostly convinced me that it is 'now' necessary to continue doing so.
 
TO many, it is a question of moral right and wrong. Morality is based on an individuals belief system. If your belief system holds that the act of homosexuality is immoral and therefore...wrong...then gay marriage would also be immoral and wrong.

You known that...right? I mean...you didnt REALLY have to ask that question, did you?

Well sadly, millions of Americans thought the same about interracial marriage.

Should that also have been prevented because of ignorant 'moral' outrage or individual belief systems?
 
I am actually a straight person. As to how it affects me. I hadn't put alot of thought into homosexuals up until 2012. I just tried to avoid them as much as possible. I just disregarded their come ons and went on with my life. Things have since changed as they have done everything they can to be as pervasive into my life as possible. They have begun attacking me personally because I do not accept their come ons. When a homosexual cannot accept someone not being interested and then trying to disrupt you life, they are in the wrong.

I have to now be active in combatting this issue that exists in society as now it does directly affect me.

This is not really important for the treads discussion, but it is the reason for my thread.

Wow. Sexually frustrated homosexuals attack you?

Forgive me, but I simply find that hilarious.
 
Well sadly, millions of Americans thought the same about interracial marriage.

Should that also have been prevented because of ignorant 'moral' outrage or individual belief systems?
Not my place to define peoples moral values or belief systems. I would suggest however that 1-very few that were opposed to interracial marriage actual took that position based on their belief system and 2-most black folk get kinda pissed when you try to compare the two.
 
When did we vote on straight marriage? Or interracial marriage?

IMO, the govt shouldnt be involved in that contract at all but it has chosen to accord benefits and other recognitions to married couples so people have mostly convinced me that it is 'now' necessary to continue doing so.
We didnt have to vote on 'straight' marriage because throughout history it was the understood societal norm. It was only within the last few decades people could even consider the notion that homosexual marriage would even be a reality and while we are just bul****tin the two of us...there are still many gay people that think gay marriage is stupid.
 
Not my place to define peoples moral values or belief systems. I would suggest however that 1-very few that were opposed to interracial marriage actual took that position based on their belief system and 2-most black folk get kinda pissed when you try to compare the two.

A fine example of the "belief systems" of some Americans - not all, but some.
 
Not my place to define peoples moral values or belief systems. I would suggest however that 1-very few that were opposed to interracial marriage actual took that position based on their belief system and 2-most black folk get kinda pissed when you try to compare the two.

Yes, many did make it based on religion, including the legislators that proposed laws to prevent interracial marriage. I even have several quotes from the Bible that they used, if you are interested.

I'm not sure why blacks get pissed about it. Do you know why?
 
We didnt have to vote on 'straight' marriage because throughout history it was the understood societal norm. It was only within the last few decades people could even consider the notion that homosexual marriage would even be a reality and while we are just bul****tin the two of us...there are still many gay people that think gay marriage is stupid.

It's Constitutional and it's about equality. We *especially* do not vote on issues of equality.

"The tyranny of the majority over the minority" must be prevented, etc.

And btw, there are plenty of straight people that think straight/traditional marriage is stupid. Why on earth should that affect those that desire that govt recognition and yes, entitlement?
 
Yes, many did make it based on religion, including the legislators that proposed laws to prevent interracial marriage. I even have several quotes from the Bible that they used, if you are interested.

I'm not sure why blacks get pissed about it. Do you know why?
Because they think its ludicrous and offensive that you compare race to sexual preference.

I grew up in the south...I was exposed to a lot of racial hatred. I dont recall anyone ever using religion as their justification. Not saying it didnt happen...just not my experience.
 
It's Constitutional and it's about equality. We *especially* do not vote on issues of equality.

"The tyranny of the majority over the minority" must be prevented, etc.

And btw, there are plenty of straight people that think straight/traditional marriage is stupid. Why on earth should that affect those that desire that govt recognition and yes, entitlement?
It is not in any way shape or form Constitutional. In fact you cannot find marriage in any measure found in the Constitution, and it wasnt until 2015...240+ years after the passage of the Constitution that a bare majority of the makeup of that particular Supreme Court found a way to shoehorn sexual preference into the 14th amendment.
 
Because they think its ludicrous and offensive that you compare race to sexual preference.

I grew up in the south...I was exposed to a lot of racial hatred. I dont recall anyone ever using religion as their justification. Not saying it didnt happen...just not my experience.

Thanks. Well I cant speak for any black persons but I find that attitude dismissive and disrespectful of gay people and their very real suffering and past (& current) discrimination in our society.

Here's a couple of the quotes from the Bible that they used. It was definitely an angle they used to prevent interracial marriage:

Daniel 2:43*- And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Numbers 12:1*- And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
 
It is not in any way shape or form Constitutional. In fact you cannot find marriage in any measure found in the Constitution, and it wasnt until 2015...240+ years after the passage of the Constitution that a bare majority of the makeup of that particular Supreme Court found a way to shoehorn sexual preference into the 14th amendment.

Yes, we've been over that and I also wrote it. And I referred to the 14th (maybe didnt specify). It's perfectly legitimate.

I dont believe it should be 'run' by the govt. But since it is, I believe it should be applied equally.
 
Good for Bermuda! We in the United States need to reverse these gay marriage laws in all States.

The reason these laws were created were based on the argument of equal rights. When talking about equal rights, people refer to the Constitution. No where in the Constitution does it mention sexuality. Therefore, these people already have their equal rights.

Marriage is a Holy Union between a man and a woman.

These people only want the right to marry to take advantage of tax breaks meant for married couples who support children. The fact that they argue for equal rights is just to help systematically dismantle the US Constitution.

The last thing America needs is solidifying the social engineering trick that homosexuality really is. Our children do not need to think this way of life is normal. These people have been forced into this way of life by people who wish to enslave our entire nation. These people are hypnotized into this way of life, others are intimidated into silence.

They are the side effect of a much larger issue, but they are used for political persuasion with their numbers. We in America cannot allow this problem to continue.

The truth is, There are so called "Elite" who care nothing for the rights of Americans. Socialism needs to be stopped. I do not wish to offend Catholic people, and not all Catholic denominations are the same. But Catholicism is more a system of rule than it is a religion. They are too scared to speak out about what is wrong with the church, or they have too much pride, as this is how they were raised.

Unfortunately those with pride are the ones who feel it is to their advantage to be Catholic. These are the ones who believe in and support slavery. These are the so called "Elite", but most of those who believe this lie are also slaves. The "elite" are comprised of some of the richest people in the world. Many of which are not even Americans, their countries are already Utopian.

Some of our Constitution was founded upon Utopian ideas, but much of it was founded with the knowledge that there must be a balance. Utopia is antiquated compared to Democracy. America was the fear and Envy of the world when we truly embraced Democracy as it should be.

These marriage laws only further weaken democracy and help to strip Americans of our rights as Citizens. As an American Citizen, it is only Logical to be a Democrat. As anything else is contrary to Democracy.

This is what is difficult for Republicans. Many Republicans in the US are immigrants who came from Republican countries, and have not been properly informed of their rights as American Citizens.

There is a huge issue with this right now because Large Tech corporations are basically immune to many laws that would police any other corporation. These laws are changing. Technology has gotten to the point that pchycotronic weaponry has become commonplace among large corporations. This weaponry is what is used to brainwash people to live these "alternative" "lifestyles".

This weaponry is also used on our military and people with less money. Young people are tricked and taken advantage of with the use of these weapons. BCI "brain computer interface" is ruining people's lives and they are also levereged into silence through ebarrasment or shame. Some of their parents are scared of prosecution because they made the mistake of molesting their children as they were either attacked with pchycotronic weapons, or they were already brainwashed into thinking this was the way it is.

These marriage laws that allow homosexual marriage must be reversed as they are not necessary at all. They are pointless in creating more "equal" rights. Many of these people are predators, they are being protected when they should not. Most of which should be no where around anyone's children.

I applaud Bermuda in their reversal of these pointless laws, they serve no purpose other than to undermine the Constitution!

Last time I checked I thought America was the land of the free. Personally I don't care if lebos, fags, and trannies want get married. Why should they miss out on all the fun of divorce?

Reminds me of a story.

A drunk cowboy rides up to the justice of the peace, and says to the justice. "I wanna marry my horse." Justice say "Ok, how old are you?" The cowboy replies "22." The Justice looks at the horse and goes "So Buttercup, how old are you?" Buttercup then proceeds to tap the ground 5 times. The Justice asks Buttercup how old she was again. She taps the ground 5 times. The Justice looks at the cowboy and say sorry I cant marry you two. The cowboy asks "Why the hell not?" Justice goes "The age to get married in this state is eighteen. Come back when Buttercup is of age."
 
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