Berlin- Jewish Boy Beaten, Forced to Leave School by Muslim Students[W:68:75]

[VanceMack]

Re: Berlin- Jewish Boy Beaten, Forced to Leave School by Muslim Students

Relax, Germany and Austria...you just need to adjust to your new way of living.

 

[Sherman123]

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they have certainly bounced around over history. Estimates are anywhere from 140,000 to 5 times that number of Israelis living in the US so perhaps Israel cant absorb any more. The average income in Israel is $2,572 so not a high living standard.

What? The average income in Israel is $2,572 per month for an individual, for an average income of just shy of $31,000 for a single person. That is well within the OECD expectations, and decently ahead of some other countries.

 

[Chagos]

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Its almost like your response is COMPLETELY unrelated to the article cited. Perhaps you have a countering article?

Do you have German?

I can relay to a couple of local Berlin papers that covered more details.

 

[Chagos]

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they have certainly bounced around over history. Estimates are anywhere from 140,000 to 5 times that number of Israelis living in the US so perhaps Israel cant absorb any more. The average income in Israel is $2,572 so not a high living standard.

Sherman123 has already addressed the income question.

As to preference on where to set up residence, for probably most Jews it's a comfort to know that there is a Jewish homeland. That doesn't mean that everyone wants to live there as long as other opportunities appear safe and offer (in personal and thus individual perception) greater benefits.

 

[VanceMack]

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Do you have German?

I can relay to a couple of local Berlin papers that covered more details.

Anything factual that counters the facts as presented in the OP would be swell.

 

[katzgar]

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What? The average income in Israel is $2,572 per month for an individual, for an average income of just shy of $31,000 for a single person. That is well within the OECD expectations, and decently ahead of some other countries.

Yearly in the US is $62,462 https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/05/14/what-is-the-average-income-in-the-us.aspx you need to go to the airport and tell the Israelis they have it wrong by moving here.

 

[Mario]

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Antisemitism is poised to make a big comeback in Germany, but it won't be blonde, blue eyed Aryans carrying the torch this time.

You are correct.

Lets see how the liberal/progressive muslim apologists react to this story.

Also the pro open borders crowd.

They will by hypocritical, as always.

We see how you react...and it's just as bad as any rightwing apologist for Trump.

No one on the right has to apologize for Trump....he's causing liberal heartburn, daily. Its great!

 

[katzgar]

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Sherman123 has already addressed the income question.

As to preference on where to set up residence, for probably most Jews it's a comfort to know that there is a Jewish homeland. That doesn't mean that everyone wants to live there as long as other opportunities appear safe and offer (in personal and thus individual perception) greater benefits.

thats true, they do have a fall back position. I have talked to Israelis in Ft Lauderdale that say they moved here for opportunity.

 

[Chagos]

Re: Berlin- Jewish Boy Beaten, Forced to Leave School by Muslim Students

Anything factual that counters the facts as presented in the OP would be swell.

Here ya go (two)

Nach antisemitischen Vorfällen: Jüdischer Junge verlässt Schule in Berlin-Schöneberg | Berliner-Kurier.de

Gemeinschaftsschule in Berlin-Friedenau: Jüdischer Junge verlässt Schule nach antisemitischen Vorfällen | Berliner Zeitung

 

[Chagos]

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You are correct.

Let me guess, you have lifelong friends that visited Germany in 1968? :mrgreen:

 

[Sherman123]

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Yearly in the US is $62,462 https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/05/14/what-is-the-average-income-in-the-us.aspx you need to go to the airport and tell the Israelis they have it wrong by moving here.

Average =/= Median. According to the US Census Bureau the median household income in the US is about $55,000-57,650 when correcting for underreporting. By contrast the average net household income in Israel is about 15,247 NIS which converts to about $4,265, which is about $51,180. The big difference is that cost of living in Israel is very high, comparable to if the entire United States lived in a purchasing market similar to New York City (not a perfect analogy but close).

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2016/comm/cb16-158_median_hh_income_map.html
The Central Bureau of Statistics (Israel)-Households & Families-Standard of Living: Expenditure & Income

 

[joG]

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No one has gone as far as to drive a lorry into Muslim shoppers though, correct? Or slash Muslim passengers on a train. Or target Muslim women for rape. Yet all the things I've mentioned were actual events that Muslim immigrants carried out against Germans. I'm more concerned about those types of violent behaviors than about supposed xenophobia amongst Germans.

There was a bomb at the Jewish center around the corner from where I lived a while bas as there was an old folks home burnt down, which most of the elderly ecsaped a number of years ago. There a a lot of refugee homes torched and there have been a number refugees murdered. The NSU killers were less effective than might have been, had they used a bomb in a mosque. So you are right, violence against refugees is not so bad for such a big country.
But you are right that the numbers killed are comparatively few for such a big country.

 

[Mario]

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Let me guess, you have lifelong friends that visited Germany in 1968? :mrgreen:

I do. They visited 11 countries in Europe over 3 months. They bought a new VW pop top van, ordered in the US and picked up in the Netherlands and traveled all over.
They kept a daily log book and one of the kids kept a diary of daily events to present to school when she returned. They also have all their maps with the routes they took. Traveling as a family, the locals were more forthcoming and talkative. They are appalled about the state of affairs in Europe today.

 

[VanceMack]

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Here ya go (two)

Nach antisemitischen Vorfällen: Jüdischer Junge verlässt Schule in Berlin-Schöneberg | Berliner-Kurier.de

Gemeinschaftsschule in Berlin-Friedenau: Jüdischer Junge verlässt Schule nach antisemitischen Vorfällen | Berliner Zeitung

So while you seem desperate to minimize the situation, both articles you cite AFFIRM the allegations of MULTIPLE attacks.
A 14-year-old Jewish classmate left the Gesamtschule Friedenau, after his classmates had several times insulted him and then attacked him because of his religious affiliation. The boy's mother had told the English-speaking newspaper The Jewish Chronicle about the incident.

On her website, the school management informed her that she had filed a complaint against the alleged offender. In addition, she wanted to initiate school regulations against the young people."

The attacks range from a few months ago to up to two weeks ago. So...why is it exactly that you are desperate to minimize the very obvious anti Semitic attacks that are ongoing?

 

[katzgar]

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Average =/= Median. According to the US Census Bureau the median household income in the US is about $55,000-57,650 when correcting for underreporting. By contrast the average net household income in Israel is about 15,247 NIS which converts to about $4,265, which is about $51,180. The big difference is that cost of living in Israel is very high, comparable to if the entire United States lived in a purchasing market similar to New York City (not a perfect analogy but close).

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2016/comm/cb16-158_median_hh_income_map.html
The Central Bureau of Statistics (Israel)-Households & Families-Standard of Living: Expenditure & Income

Your inanity proves nothing except that Israel is poorer than the US

 

[joG]

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I do. They visited 11 countries in Europe over 3 months. They bought a new VW pop top van, ordered in the US and picked up in the Netherlands and traveled all over.
They kept a daily log book and one of the kids kept a diary of daily events to present to school when she returned. They also have all their maps with the routes they took. Traveling as a family, the locals were more forthcoming and talkative. They are appalled about the state of affairs in Europe today.

That was a cool hippy thing to do back then. Still is, come to think of it.

 

[Chagos]

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So while you seem desperate to minimize the situation,

You mean on account of the OP's evaluation of Antisemitism is poised to make a big comeback in Germany, but it won't be blonde, blue eyed Aryans carrying the torch this time.

???

both articles you cite AFFIRM the allegations of MULTIPLE attacks.

Read that again, eh? I've bolded what I think is salient.

Beyond which you might define "attack". If insult is an attack, fine. If not maybe you can link in either article to where any other "physical" attack is confirmed, beyond the incident at the bus stop.

This On her website, the school management informed her that she had filed a complaint against the alleged offender. In addition, she wanted to initiate school regulations against the young people." makes no sense at all. Who is "her" respectively "she"?

The attacks range from a few months ago to up to two weeks ago.

See above.

So...why is it exactly that you are desperate to minimize the very obvious anti Semitic attacks that are ongoing?

What the hell are you talking about?

By the looks of it your German isn't really up to the task and google isn't any help either.

 

[Chagos]

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Your inanity proves nothing except that Israel is poorer than the US

You find documented figures inane?

 

[Chagos]

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I do.

I suspected as much. After all there must be something that makes you think you're such an expert on European affairs.

 

[Sherman123]

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Your inanity proves nothing except that Israel is poorer than the US

I think it's pretty obvious to anyone who reads this thread that you were simply incorrect and are now a little embarrassed.

 

[Fishking]

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Antisemitism is poised to make a big comeback in Germany, but it won't be blonde, blue eyed Aryans carrying the torch this time.

Not just Germany. There has been an significant increase in Jews leaving Europe in general, as antisemitism has dramatically increased. France has the highest numbers. At least this boy wasn't actually gunned down for being a Jews, like the Jews at the Kosher supermarket in France so it's a step up eh? Nothing to see here.

 

[Moot]

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No one on the right has to apologize for Trump....he's causing liberal heartburn, daily. Its great!

Time will tell. It wasn't that long ago that Republicans couldn't run away from Bush fast enough. Today you can hardly find anyone who will admit they even voted for him...and the same will happen with Trump

 

[Chagos]

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What the heck does Trump (Reps, Dems, the Tallahassee PTA) have to do with this here topic?

Kindly keep the usual US partisan hackery out of here, if you would.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Berlin- Jewish Boy Beaten, Forced to Leave School by Muslim Students

You mean on account of the OP's evaluation of Antisemitism is poised to make a big comeback in Germany, but it won't be blonde, blue eyed Aryans carrying the torch this time.

???


Read that again, eh? I've bolded what I think is salient.

Beyond which you might define "attack". If insult is an attack, fine. If not maybe you can link in either article to where any other "physical" attack is confirmed, beyond the incident at the bus stop.

This On her website, the school management informed her that she had filed a complaint against the alleged offender. In addition, she wanted to initiate school regulations against the young people." makes no sense at all. Who is "her" respectively "she"?

See above.What the hell are you talking about?

By the looks of it your German isn't really up to the task and google isn't any help either.

:lamo

YOUR initial response was all about the meh.

The kid in question was insulted by one (ONE) fellow pupil months ago who told him "you're actually quite cool but I can't be your friend because all Jews are murderers".

The kid who said that left the school some time ago.

The "beating and kicking" consisted of two (TWO) other kids, weeks later, taking the target into a half-Nelson at the local bus stop and "threatening" him with a toy gun, shouting "Hey, you Englander".

School management reacted to the first incident immediately by holding a class seminary over it with cooperation of social workers .

The second incident was immediately reported to the police and the two perps of the bus stop are being expelled.
Due to the ethnic mix of my origins I was bullied far worse in school (physical injuries included) until I started beating the crap out of the bullies myself.
Meanwhile there isn't any sign of the Grand Mufti's hordes walking in step with the brown shirts but the sun rose in the East this morning and is scheduled to do the same tomorrow

In other words...heh...no big deal...nothing to see...just a little fun and games and not a single mention of the anti-Semitic response. You want it to be a big "nothing to see here folks...just like all the other incidents...nothing to see...carry on. keep walking...keep walking....

 

[katzgar]

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You find documented figures inane?

Comparing ILS to USD only works if the 2 currencies are worth 1 to 1 which they are not. You can pull the wool over Trump supporters eyes but not mine.