Because of Donald Trump, Canadians Boycotting U.S. Products and Canceling Vacations to America

[Yes_Minister]

You know that but then start making nonfactual assertions while asking nonsensical questions?
No. I am not buying the bs.

Deal with the reasons NAFTA is being renegotiated.

Obviously I was being facetious near the end of my post. Clearly you are having a problem picking on that.

What reasons are those? Trump and his base having a victim complex and thinking everyone screws the US on trade and ignoring all the times the US plays dirty when it comes to trade? Do you think these rules should only apply to other countries and not the US? Every time I talk to a Trump supporter about trade, they always act like a victim, seems like you guys lack any sense of personal responsibility.

 

[Northern Light]

American conservatives will make their society dysfunctional if they insist seeing everything through a partisan lens.

It's not all conservatives, just the rightists... who are gaining a scary amount of entitlement to talk **** these days thanks to the POTUS in office.

 

[Excon]

Clearly you are having a problem picking on that.

iLOL Your opinion is noted and dismissed as being wrong and irrelevant.

What reasons are those?

Wait a minute, you just said you were aware? So since you are aware, there is no need to explain it to you.

Trump and his base having a victim complex and thinking everyone screws the US on trade and ignoring all the times the US plays dirty when it comes to trade?

Well if we balanced and reciprocal trade as Trump recently suggested we wouldn't have this problem, would we?
My suggestion; Ignore the rhetoric and look to the basis for the claim. Is it unfair?

Do you think these rules should only apply to other countries and not the US?

Absolutely not. I have no problem with Canada taking advantage of the law as written.
That does not prohibit another Country from pointing out unfairness in the agreement which is being taken advantage of, does it?
I realize that Canada would like to keep NAFTA the way it is as it benefits them, but that in no way says the US shouldn't be able to point out any unfairness in the agreement and attempt to make things more fair.

 

[Yes_Minister]

iLOL Your opinion is noted and dismissed as being wrong and irrelevant.

Someone is mad they can't pick up on sarcasm.

Wait a minute, you just said you were aware? So since you are aware, there is no need to explain it to you.

I am aware NAFTA is being renegotiated, but I think the reasons Trump states that canada are unfair on trade are BS and he has a habit of ignoring the easy access Canada provides te uS to its cheap energy supply and its fresh water and you guys like to ignore all the times the US plays dirty.

Well if we balanced and reciprocal trade as Trump recently suggested we wouldn't have this problem, would we?
My suggestion; Ignore the rhetoric and look to the basis for the claim. Is it unfair?


Absolutely not. I have no problem with Canada taking advantage of the law as written.
That does not prohibit another Country from pointing out unfairness in the agreement which is being taken advantage of, does it?
I realize that Canada would like to keep NAFTA the way it is as it benefits them, but that in no way says the US shouldn't be able to point out any unfairness in the agreement and attempt to make things more fair.

So is the US going to stop putting tariffs on Canadian lumber or stop subsidizing diary or stop dumping corn into Mexico and rice into Haiti? Neither Trump nor his base want to admit all the times the US played dirty when it comes to trade, does the US have to change its practices too or is it just other countries that have to change?

 

[Grand Mal]

You know that but then start making nonfactual assertions while asking nonsensical questions?
No. I am not buying the bs.

Deal with the reasons NAFTA is being renegotiated.

NAFTA is being renegotiated because your Dear Leader will toss his whole country under the bus if it improves his popularity ratings. He's isolating the US, adandoning all alliances and agreements and pacts because his army of Toms (totally obedient morons) love him for it.
It's only just begun. It's going to get so bad that even you might see what a disaster your president is.

 

[Excon]

Someone is mad they can't pick up on sarcasm.

And you are again wrong.
And btw, it was asininity.

I am aware NAFTA is being renegotiated, but I think the reasons Trump states that canada are unfair on trade are BS and he has a habit of ignoring the easy access Canada provides te uS to its cheap energy supply and its fresh water and you guys like to ignore all the times the US plays dirty.

Ignore? iLOL
If the US plays dirty (which I believe the US would call "unfair" or "screwing") I am sure there is provisions in law to rectify such, except when it is a loophole. A loophole that creates unfair trade is a reason to renegotiate.

So is the US going to stop putting tariffs on Canadian lumber or stop subsidizing diary or stop dumping corn into Mexico and rice into Haiti? Neither Trump nor his base want to admit all the times the US played dirty when it comes to trade, does the US have to change its practices too or is it just other countries that have to change?

Not until it is "balanced and reciprocal trade". Canada should be all for that, but for some reason it appears they are not. Gee I wonder why they are not? Perhaps their own protectionism?

 

[Excon]

NAFTA is being renegotiated because your Dear Leader will toss his whole country under the bus if it improves his popularity ratings. He's isolating the US, adandoning all alliances and agreements and pacts because his army of Toms (totally obedient morons) love him for it.
It's only just begun. It's going to get so bad that even you might see what a disaster your president is.

Your comment is neither rational or reasoned.
So carry on.

 

[Yes_Minister]

And you are again wrong.
And btw, it was asininity.

Oh learn to take a joke.

Ignore? iLOL
If the US plays dirty (which I believe the US would call "unfair" or "screwing") I am sure there is provisions in law to rectify such, except when it is a loophole. A loophole that creates unfair trade is a reason to renegotiate.


Not until it is "balanced and reciprocal trade". Canada should be all for that, but for some reason it appears they are not. Gee I wonder why they are not? Perhaps their own protectionism?

And putting tariffs on our lumber is not protectionism? Why should Canada make all the concessions first, when the US breaks the rules when it feels like it? You keep saying the rules are unfair, but when I bring up times the US plays dirty, you seem to think NAFTA rules can prevent that, if the rules are unfair, what stops the US from playing dirty?

 

[Grand Mal]

And you are again wrong.
And btw, it was asininity.




Not until it is "balanced and reciprocal trade". Canada should be all for that, but for some reason it appears they are not. Gee I wonder why they are not? Perhaps their own protectionism?

Of course Canada is for balanced trade. Canada has been negotiating in good faith for months, ever since Trump backed out on a deal. The US is applying bully tactics, putting on tariffs while negotiating for f***s sake.

 

[Grand Mal]

Your comment is neither rational or reasoned.
So carry on.

(grin!)

There's no way you can refute anything I said.
Start with this- Trump can't be trusted to honour an agreement.

 

[Excon]

Oh learn to take a joke.

Stop spewing nonsense.

And putting tariffs on our lumber is not protectionism? Why should Canada make all the concessions first, when the US breaks the rules when it feels like it? You keep saying the rules are unfair, but when I bring up times the US plays dirty, you seem to think NAFTA rules can prevent that, if the rules are unfair, what stops the US from playing dirty?

Maybe you should reread what I said and not try to argue that whch I did not say, as what you quoted already spoke to what you say now.

Again.

If the US plays dirty (which I believe the US would call "unfair" or "screwing") I am sure there is provisions in law to rectify such, except when it is a loophole. A loophole that creates unfair trade is a reason to renegotiate.​

Do you really not understand that the last sentence applies to all sides?

 

[Yes_Minister]

Stop spewing nonsense.




Maybe you should reread what I said and not try to argue that whch I did not say, as what you quoted already spoke to what you say now.

Again.

If the US plays dirty (which I believe the US would call "unfair" or "screwing") I am sure there is provisions in law to rectify such, except when it is a loophole. A loophole that creates unfair trade is a reason to renegotiate.​

Do you really not understand that the last sentence applies to all sides?

Okay, so when are going to talk about problematic US policy? All you guys seem to talk about is how ''the rest of the world screws over the US'', but the US breaking the rules to screw over other countries hardly seems to be mentioned, does Trump want to change US practices or just have other countries change their practices, while the US changes nothing?

 

[Mycroft]

But do you want, Canada and Mexico to get rid of their tariffs and subsidies, while the us gets to keep its tariffs and subsidies? Is it really fair trade, if only Canada and Mexico have to make concessions and the US does not have to make any?

I haven't heard about any issues with Canadian or Mexican tariffs and subsidies. Perhaps that an issue. I don't know.

A few of the main issues I've heard of are changes that need to be made because of tech advances since NAFTA was enacted, issues about how often the agreement should be renegotiated and disagreements about the percentage of content allowed to be produce in non-NAFTA countries.

In any case, I'll leave those issues to the experts.

 

[Excon]

Of course Canada is for balanced trade. Canada has been negotiating in good faith for months, ever since Trump backed out on a deal. The US is applying bully tactics, putting on tariffs while negotiating for f***s sake.

Is that what you think? That's nice.
The US certainly doesn't think so. And no, it doesn't actually appear that your Country is.

There's no way you can refute anything I said.
Start with this- Trump can't be trusted to honour an agreement.

Your comment was neither rational or reasoned, the same applies with this comment.
There is no need to go beyond that.

NAFTA is being renegotiated because your Dear Leader will toss his whole country under the bus if it improves his popularity ratings. He's isolating the US, adandoning all alliances and agreements and pacts because his army of Toms (totally obedient morons) love him for it.
It's only just begun. It's going to get so bad that even you might see what a disaster your president is.

iLOL
Your opinion is noted and dismissed for the nonsense it is.

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Okay, so when are going to talk about problematic US policy?

iLOL It is not problematic to the US, is it?
If you want to speak to what you consider consider problematic, start the topic and see if anyone is willing to discuss it with you.

I can see why taking away unfair trade is problematic for the Country taking such advantage, but that does not mean that such unfair trade should not end.
Do you honestly not understand that what I stated pertains to all Countries?

OkayAll you guys seem to talk about is how ''the rest of the world screws over the US'', but the US breaking the rules to screw over other countries hardly seems to be mentioned, does Trump want to change US practices or just have other countries change their practices, while the US changes nothing?

All you guys, huh? iLOL Nonsense.

Trump wanting to rectify the total trade imbalance is not a bad thing for this Country.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Is that what you think? That's nice.
The US certainly doesn't think so. And no, it doesn't actually appear that your Country is.


Your comment was neither rational or reasoned, the same applies with this comment.
There is no need to go beyond that.


iLOL
Your opinion is noted and dismissed for the nonsense it is.

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iLOL It is not problematic to the US, is it?
If you want to speak to what you consider consider problematic, start the topic and see if anyone is willing to discuss it with you.

I can see why taking away unfair trade is problematic for the Country taking such advantage, but that does not mean that such unfair trade should not end.
Do you honestly not understand that what I stated pertains to all Countries?



All you guys, huh? iLOL Nonsense.

Trump wanting to rectify the total trade imbalance is not a bad thing for this Country.

Ah so your version of free trade seems to be the rules apply to everyone but the US, because you never want to acknowledge times the US acts in bad faith on trade.

 

[Moderate Right]

I love how American conservatives seem to decry Anti Americanism in other countries, but reserve the right to hate all other countries if they do not act like the US' pathetic minions, that the US should act like a psychopath on the world stage. Maybe there would be less Anti Americanism in the world, if people like you were actually willing to be considerate to other countries, rather then demand they submit to you in all things.

Its like American conservatives think the US is the only country in the world worthy of sovereignty and Americans are the only people on Earth allowed to be patriotic.

Ummmmmmmmmm. Methinks you have it backwards. The left have to call the right every name in the book because they have zero tolerance of anything but their own selfish beliefs.

 

[Moderate Right]

Hmmm ... well, you're not making a lot of sense, but ok... :shrug: Screw conservative America, I guess... lol... Now what?

I don't give a rats ass about other countries liberal values.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Ummmmmmmmmm. Methinks you have it backwards. The left have to call the right every name in the book because they have zero tolerance of anything but their own selfish beliefs.

Yeah, keep telling yourself and keep telling Canaidans anti Americanism is bad, but Americans can be as Anti Canadian as they want and Canada should just accept it, because Canadians are inferior and Canada should act like a vassal state rather then a sovereign nation. Hubris is always the US' biggest weakness, it makes the US fall into traps and harm itself, its bad for the US.

 

[Excon]

Ah so your version of free trade seems to be the rules apply to everyone but the US,

There appears to be an issue here. It may be a reading, comprehension or something else, but whatever it is I suggest you get it checked out.

Again.

I can see why taking away unfair trade is problematic for the Country taking such advantage, but that does not mean that such unfair trade should not end.
[highlight]Do you honestly not understand that what I stated pertains to all Countries?[/highlight]​

That certainly doesn't say only the US, does it?

 

[Yes_Minister]

There appears to be an issue here. It may be a reading, comprehension or something else, but whatever it is I suggest you get it checked out.

Again.

I can see why taking away unfair trade is problematic for the Country taking such advantage, but that does not mean that such unfair trade should not end.
[highlight]Do you honestly not understand that what I stated pertains to all Countries?[/highlight]​

That certainly doesn't say only the US, does it?

Except you never seem to want to address the times the US plays dirty on trade, stop acting like the US is a victim when it comes to trade.

 

[Excon]

Except you never seem to want to address the times the US plays dirty on trade, stop acting like the US is a victim when it comes to trade.

1. Except nothing. Your commentary is asinine.
2. As you were already told.

If you want to speak to what you consider consider[SUP][sic][/SUP] problematic, start the topic and see if anyone is willing to discuss it with you.
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[Yes_Minister]

1. Except nothing. Your commentary is asinine.
2. As you were already told.

If you want to speak to what you consider consider[SUP][sic][/SUP] problematic, start the topic and see if anyone is willing to discuss it with you.
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So what, does fair trade mean the US gets to keep its dairy subsidies and tariffs against Canadian lumber? You never acknowledge the times the US plays dirty when it comes to trade.

 

[Excon]

So what, does fair trade mean the US gets to keep its dairy subsidies and tariffs against Canadian lumber? You never acknowledge the times the US plays dirty when it comes to trade.

Oy vey!
I asked you a very pertinent question, but for some reason you do not seem to understand the implications of that question as they apply to my position.
Again.

Do you honestly not understand that what I stated pertains to all Countries?​

I need not go beyond that in this discussion.


Also again.

As you were already told.

If you want to speak to what you consider consider[SUP][sic][/SUP] problematic, start the topic and see if anyone is willing to discuss it with you.
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