Bazant Misconduct website is launched[W:111]

[MicahJava]

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And you continue to mouth CT garbage lifted from "truther" websites.

The 911research page I linked is just a cache of a defunct news article. Nice beating around the bush.

If they are beams THEY AREN'T MELTED.

You see, sometimes one part of a piece of metal can be molten while the other part isn't.

And in a museum? You must be prattling about the improperly marked COMPREHENSION artifact. They one containing not only UNMOLTEN steel but also the remains of paper.... Paper. Think for a minute. Paper is found among your so-called molten steel.

You've never put a piece of printed paper or cardboard in a fire and you can still see the printed words after it completely burned?

Pointless garbage arguing this. Credible enough information of molten steel and/or iron to put it on the list of reasons why a new investigation is warranted.

 

[MicahJava]

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You mean the air being forced out by the collapse?

So you're saying that, instead of air pressure pushing out of one of the nearby windows, it chose to push through the drywall and aluminum cladding?

In the case of the South Tower, that definitely doesn't explain the flash of light and the physical deformation you can clearly see and measure at the area where the explosion happened.

The North Tower corner explosion I pointed out also perfectly correlates with that giant piece of steel falling down. Almost as if whatever was supporting it was abruptly taken away! Kind of like a controlled demolition, if I do say so myself. :mrgreen:

 

[Fledermaus]

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The 911research page I linked is just a cache of a defunct news article. Nice beating around the bush.

You see, sometimes one part of a piece of metal can be molten while the other part isn't.

You've never put a piece of printed paper or cardboard in a fire and you can still see the printed words after it completely burned?

Pointless garbage arguing this. Credible enough information of molten steel and/or iron to put it on the list of reasons why a new investigation is warranted.

Wow.

So the UNMOLTEN object with paper is "proof" of melting now?

 

[Fledermaus]

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Those two chunks of iron are pretty interesting. By the way, I'm hoping that further searching for information on molten steel and/or iron can be found. All it shows is that a new investigation is warranted.

What do you want investigated?

The arson that never occurred?

The explosives that never existed?

The UNMOLTEN objects you claim indicate melting?

 

[Fledermaus]

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So you're saying that, instead of air pressure pushing out of one of the nearby windows, it chose to push through the drywall and aluminum cladding?

In the case of the South Tower, that definitely doesn't explain the flash of light and the physical deformation you can clearly see and measure at the area where the explosion happened.

The North Tower corner explosion I pointed out also perfectly correlates with that giant piece of steel falling down. Almost as if whatever was supporting it was abruptly taken away! Kind of like a controlled demolition, if I do say so myself. :mrgreen:

Comic Book understanding if explosives.

 

[Mark F]

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Those two chunks of iron are pretty interesting. By the way, I'm hoping that further searching for information on molten steel and/or iron can be found. All it shows is that a new investigation is warranted.

Not really.

 

[MicahJava]

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Wow.

So the UNMOLTEN object with paper is "proof" of melting now?

Show me where I said "proof".

 

[MicahJava]

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Comic Book understanding if explosives.

Are you saying those aren't the characteristics of explosives? Please educate me. Looks to me like a little something something might've been planted in the perimeter corner to sever the spandrel plates joining the wall units. That could be accomplished by accessing a floor of the building, removing a few ceiling tiles, climbing up to the four-foot crawlspace, and cutting through a few inches of drywall.

What do you think happened at the corner of the South Tower? What do you think happened at the corner of the North Tower?

 

[MicahJava]

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Not really.

It's your job to deny. Why should I care about your "not really"?

 

[Fledermaus]

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Are you saying those aren't the characteristics of explosives? Please educate me. Looks to me like a little something something might've been planted in the perimeter corner to sever the spandrel plates joining the wall units. That could be accomplished by accessing a floor of the building, removing a few ceiling tiles, climbing up to the four-foot crawlspace, and cutting through a few inches of drywall.

What do you think happened at the corner of the South Tower? What do you think happened at the corner of the North Tower?

You dont want education. You want confirmation for that which didn't occur. And you will not get that from me.

Readers Digest version.

You not only don't know.
You lack the capacity to know that you don't know.

There is no need to cut spandrel plates after the collapse was ALREADY initiated.

You are making the same CT mistake of assuming (incorrectly) that all explosions are explosives.

They are not.

You make the CT mistake of believing random puffs equal CD.

It does not.

You make the CT mistake of believing thing that occur after the collapse is initiated somehow cause the collapse.

Ludicrous.

You believe explosives remained in and around the crash impact and fire area.

No. Just no.

You believe unmolten objects indicate melting.

Illogical.

You believe stealth people ran into an evacuated building to start fires.

Complete fantasy.

You believe people like Gage and Griffon who make money misrepresenting reality.

A poor choice.

You are Dunnig Kruger personified.

 

[Fledermaus]

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Show me where I said "proof".

Show me molten steel.

 

[Fledermaus]

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It's your job to deny. Why should I care about your "not really"?

Because he is right.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

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Interesting.

I can rule out your claim of CD also.

1. No explosions for 8 floors worth of 24 core columns were recorded either by sound or sight.
2. The roofline did not immediately start in free fall which negates your "all columns were cut simultaneously baloney. If it were true, free fall would have ensued immediately.
3. The core columns being the only things cut and then descending downward like you say would have pulled the perimeter walls inward. That didn't happen according to you. Take a look at demolition and see how when one part of an attached structure is demoed first, it pulls the remaining structure inwards AND down. How do you explain that Tony?

I don't think you can rule out CD at all. You have no other way to generate the symmetric free fall.

As for your other points

1. If the demolition devices were in the core you wouldn't see anything. There are also methods of tamping for sound reduction.

2. The way an implosion is done is to take out the core starting a fraction of a second earlier in the center and working outward. That is what happened as the center of the core of WTC 7 goes down and then works outward. Quite quickly. This method causes everything to be pulled inward to limit the spread of material. WTC 7 fell into a somewhat tidy 5 story pile.

3. When the core columns are cut the exterior is no longer laterally supported and they become slender causing them to buckle. The falling core also pulls the exterior inward through the floor beams causing eccentricity and exacerbating the buckling. If this is done over 8 stories the exterior will provide no resistance and free fall will occur. I don't know where you get me saying anything but the above. I have always said the core was cut and pulled the exterior inward. The same thing was done with the Twin Towers but they also had their exterior corners cut due to being taken down from top down.

 

[MicahJava]

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flim-flam

I asked for an explanation, not flim-flam. If you bothered to watch the videos I linked, you can see the characteristics of bomb explosions just as well as I can. So can you realize the enigma of everything else I pointed out.

Yup, it's looking like the Towers were bamboozled.

 

[MicahJava]

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Show me molten steel.

Track down ground zero artifact samples from museums and pay for a lab study to prove there wasn't molten steel. With the information available now, it's looking like there was. Molten steel is a sign of exotic accelerants.

 

[MicahJava]

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1. No explosions for 8 floors worth of 24 core columns were recorded either by sound or sight.

Audio evidence for explosions in WTC 7 has already been pointed out here.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

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I don't think you can rule out CD at all. You have no other way to generate the symmetric free fall.

As for your other points

1. If the demolition devices were in the core you wouldn't see anything. There are also methods of tamping for sound reduction.

2. The way an implosion is done is to take out the core starting a fraction of a second earlier in the center and working outward. That is what happened as the center of the core of WTC 7 goes down and then works outward. Quite quickly. This method causes everything to be pulled inward to limit the spread of material. WTC 7 fell into a somewhat tidy 5 story pile.

3. When the core columns are cut the exterior is no longer laterally supported and they become slender causing them to buckle. The falling core also pulls the exterior inward through the floor beams causing eccentricity and exacerbating the buckling. If this is done over 8 stories the exterior will provide no resistance and free fall will occur. I don't know where you get me saying anything but the above. I have always said the core was cut and pulled the exterior inward. The same thing was done with the Twin Towers but they also had their exterior corners cut due to being taken down from top down.

Adding to the above is that when the exterior columns are pulled inward there will be a moment when they first start to buckle and drop where all resistance has not yet been lost and there will be a slight lag before virtual free fall sets in. It isn't immediate free fall. It starts down more slowly and then snap through occurs. In the case of loaded columns which are unsupported for 8 stories, which are also being pulled inward this results in virtual free fall. This is exactly what happened to the full exterior of WTC 7 and it was because the core had to be cut for 8 stories.

As for Fledermaus' contention that the fires make CD problematic, it is interesting that there were 8 stories between the 13th and 22nd floor where there were no fires. The fires have been shown to have most likely been caused by arson and the arsonists would just have to start fires on floors where there were no demolition devices.

 

[Mark F]

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It's your job to deny. Why should I care about your "not really"?

I can produce several very respected and qualified witnesses who describe sounds like a locomotive and the Twin Towers fell, resulting in me posing my now famous The Twin Towers were destroyed by trains hypothesis which has yet to be rebutted.

But I have never suggested that a few casual anecdotes with :censored all corroborating physical evidence was sufficient evidence for a new investigation of,.... anything. Like I said, if you think you really have a case turn your evidence over so a Grand Jury can have a go at it. Otherwise, you are just wasting everyone's time.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

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I can produce several very respected and qualified witnesses who describe sounds like a locomotive and the Twin Towers fell, resulting in me posing my now famous The Twin Towers were destroyed by trains hypothesis which has yet to be rebutted.

But I have never suggested that a few casual anecdotes with :censored all corroborating physical evidence was sufficient evidence for a new investigation of,.... anything. Like I said, if you think you really have a case turn your evidence over so a Grand Jury can have a go at it. Otherwise, you are just wasting everyone's time.

Law enforcement has to convene a Grand Jury. They have been unwilling to do so in the case of 911 thus far. It is called stonewalling, and corrupt politicians have been known to do that in spite of evidence that would require them to take action.

 

[MicahJava]

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I can produce several very respected and qualified witnesses who describe sounds like a locomotive and the Twin Towers fell, resulting in me posing my now famous The Twin Towers were destroyed by trains hypothesis which has yet to be rebutted.

But I have never suggested that a few casual anecdotes with :censored all corroborating physical evidence was sufficient evidence for a new investigation of,.... anything. Like I said, if you think you really have a case turn your evidence over so a Grand Jury can have a go at it. Otherwise, you are just wasting everyone's time.

"Several very respected and qualified witnesses"... Are you disrespecting the over 100 first responders who described the WTC destruction as sounding like explosions?

Who heard what is irrelevant at this point. I gave you probably the most credible witness to Twin Tower explosions, Ron DiFrancesco, because his injuries perfectly match what he remembered happening, and you chose to reject his account with your gobbledygook.

 

[Mark F]

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Adding to the above is that when the exterior columns are pulled inward there will be a moment when they first start to buckle and drop where all resistance has not yet been lost and there will be a slight lag before virtual free fall sets in. It isn't immediate free fall. It starts down more slowly and then snap through occurs. In the case of loaded columns which are unsupported for 8 stories, which are also being pulled inward this results in virtual free fall. This is exactly what happened to the full exterior of WTC 7 and it was because the core had to be cut for 8 stories.

I thought the collapse was symmetrical. Now you are admitting the interior collapsed before the exterior. But if the building collapsed symmetrically then that isn't possible. For it to be truly symmetrical all columns - perimeter and core - must fail simultaneously. They are all part of the building. And doesn't the core pulling on the perimeter columns impart a force other than gravity on those components and thus is influencing the rate of collapse

Dying to see how you rationalize this one.

 

[Fledermaus]

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I don't think you can rule out CD at all. You have no other way to generate the symmetric free fall.

As for your other points

1. If the demolition devices were in the core you wouldn't see anything. There are also methods of tamping for sound reduction.

2. The way an implosion is done is to take out the core starting a fraction of a second earlier in the center and working outward. That is what happened as the center of the core of WTC 7 goes down and then works outward. Quite quickly. This method causes everything to be pulled inward to limit the spread of material. WTC 7 fell into a somewhat tidy 5 story pile.

3. When the core columns are cut the exterior is no longer laterally supported and they become slender causing them to buckle. The falling core also pulls the exterior inward through the floor beams causing eccentricity and exacerbating the buckling. If this is done over 8 stories the exterior will provide no resistance and free fall will occur. I don't know where you get me saying anything but the above. I have always said the core was cut and pulled the exterior inward. The same thing was done with the Twin Towers but they also had their exterior corners cut due to being taken down from top down.

Why did the building show instability hours before the imaginary CD?

Why did the Eastern Penthouse descend well before the imaginary CD?

Who did the pre-CD preparation of the columns for your imaginary CD?

Who planted the explosives for your imaginary CD?

When did the explosives get planted for your imaginary CD?

Why didn't any of the maintenance or facilities personnel find these imaginary explosives?

How did the imaginary explosives survive the fires?

Why no telltale seismic or audible signatures when the imaginary explosives went off?

When no shattering of windows around the WTC7?

Why are the windows in WTC7 intact after the imaginary explosives went off?

Why no overpressure?

Why no det cord found?

Why no unexpended explosives found?

Why no physical trace of any sort found?

 

[Mark F]

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"Several very respected and qualified witnesses"... Are you disrespecting the over 100 first responders who described the WTC destruction as sounding like explosions?

Who heard what is irrelevant at this point. I gave you probably the most credible witness to Twin Tower explosions, Ron DiFrancesco, because his injuries perfectly match what he remembered happening, and you chose to reject his account with your gobbledygook.

Make your case where it matters or get out. Its that simple.

 

[Mark F]

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Law enforcement has to convene a Grand Jury. They have been unwilling to do so in the case of 911 thus far. It is called stonewalling, and corrupt politicians have been known to do that in spite of evidence that would require them to take action.

Not law enforcement. A DA would do. Have you even tried. Hell, you could even open a civil case - much lower standard of evidence. But you won't.

 

[Fledermaus]

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I asked for an explanation, not flim-flam. If you bothered to watch the videos I linked, you can see the characteristics of bomb explosions just as well as I can. So can you realize the enigma of everything else I pointed out.

Yup, it's looking like the Towers were bamboozled.

No flim flam.

Reality.

You lack the ability to understand how explosives actually work and instead project your flawed fantasy on how explosives work.

You remind me of the saying "You can teach them but you can't learn them"