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Bay Area Train Robbery

Lutherf

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Teens Commandeer BART Train, Rob Passengers At Coliseum Station « CBS San Francisco

The agency was in the process of gathering security camera footage of the suspects, but will not release it to the public as the suspects are all juveniles.
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They won't release footage because the suspects are all juveniles? Since when has that been an issue?

I suspect that there's something more to this story. It's pretty damned unusual for one person to get away with a stunt like this in a public place without someone videoing the event so 50-60 kids doing something would likely have been caught on at least a couple of cameras. Besides, who's going to give up their wallet to a rampaging 8 year old?
 
Lutherf said:
Teens Commandeer BART Train, Rob Passengers At Coliseum Station « CBS San Francisco



They won't release footage because the suspects are all juveniles? Since when has that been an issue?

I suspect that there's something more to this story. It's pretty damned unusual for one person to get away with a stunt like this in a public place without someone videoing the event so 50-60 kids doing something would likely have been caught on at least a couple of cameras. Besides, who's going to give up their wallet to a rampaging 8 year old?
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Seems pretty typical to me- most of those juveniles can probably be identified by some public school, and the ones that can't can be identified by their friends.

Sounds like people were getting beaten up. I'd give em my cash before getting beaten up by a bunch of teenagers. Cash is easier to replace than the cartilage in my nose.
 
Lutherf said:
Teens Commandeer BART Train, Rob Passengers At Coliseum Station « CBS San Francisco



They won't release footage because the suspects are all juveniles? Since when has that been an issue?

I suspect that there's something more to this story. It's pretty damned unusual for one person to get away with a stunt like this in a public place without someone videoing the event so 50-60 kids doing something would likely have been caught on at least a couple of cameras. Besides, who's going to give up their wallet to a rampaging 8 year old?
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Somebody robbed a train??? Whens the last time that happened? Last century? Longer?
 
Absentglare said:
Seems pretty typical to me- most of those juveniles can probably be identified by some public school, and the ones that can't can be identified by their friends.

Sounds like people were getting beaten up. I'd give em my cash before getting beaten up by a bunch of teenagers. Cash is easier to replace than the cartilage in my nose.
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This is exactly why people should be armed and shoot first and don't bother to ask questions.
 
PirateMk1 said:
This is exactly why people should be armed and shoot first and don't bother to ask questions.
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My cash is worth even less than a petty criminals life. Life has a lot of value for me. But we're devolving further into a tangential political discussion, so i suppose i'll stop there.
 
Those darn crazy Amish kids...
 
Absentglare said:
Seems pretty typical to me- most of those juveniles can probably be identified by some public school, and the ones that can't can be identified by their friends.

Sounds like people were getting beaten up. I'd give em my cash before getting beaten up by a bunch of teenagers. Cash is easier to replace than the cartilage in my nose.
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Lulzzzz..

Yeah, first of all, these kids aren't honor roll students. Some of them are have probably dropped out already, and the schools they go to are ghetto war zones, which brings me to...

Any teacher or friend who identifies one of these thugs is going to face retribution. That's called hood code. It means that 'snitches get stitches', and sometimes, 'snitches end up in ditches'. Like dead.
 
Lutherf said:
Teens Commandeer BART Train, Rob Passengers At Coliseum Station « CBS San Francisco



They won't release footage because the suspects are all juveniles? Since when has that been an issue?

I suspect that there's something more to this story. It's pretty damned unusual for one person to get away with a stunt like this in a public place without someone videoing the event so 50-60 kids doing something would likely have been caught on at least a couple of cameras. Besides, who's going to give up their wallet to a rampaging 8 year old?
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They're not releasing footage because the kids are black. Whoop there it is, I said it.
Only in the Bay Area can you rob and beat people, and the authorities care more about you than they do about the victims.
 
truthatallcost said:
Lulzzzz..

Yeah, first of all, these kids aren't honor roll students. Some of them are have probably dropped out already, and the schools they go to are ghetto war zones, which brings me to...

Any teacher or friend who identifies one of these thugs is going to face retribution. That's called hood code. It means that 'snitches get stitches', and sometimes, 'snitches end up in ditches'. Like dead.
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This isn't Dangerous Minds, it's real life. Schools will identify students. The kids who are not currently suspects aren't about to stick their necks out for a bunch of petty criminals. What you're talking about happens more often in closely-knit populations like prisons.
 
Absentglare said:
Seems pretty typical to me- most of those juveniles can probably be identified by some public school, and the ones that can't can be identified by their friends.

Sounds like people were getting beaten up. I'd give em my cash before getting beaten up by a bunch of teenagers. Cash is easier to replace than the cartilage in my nose.
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You're what's wrong with this society. the attitude should be, "you want my stuff punk, kill me for it "

these punks are not born killers, they take your stuff because they know most members of society have been trained to comply. I'm not handing over my wallet, maybe if they have a gun and I'm unarmed, but if I'm armed I'm using force to protect myself from their violent threats, and if they're not armed I have OC spray.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
You're what's wrong with this society. the attitude should be, "you want my stuff punk, kill me for it "

these punks are not born killers, they take your stuff because they know most members of society have been trained to comply. I'm not handing over my wallet, maybe if they have a gun and I'm unarmed, but if I'm armed I'm using force to protect myself from their violent threats, and if they're not armed I have OC spray.
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If you want to slay a human being because they're desperate for money, you can go ahead and bear those consequences yourself, leave me the **** out of it.
 
Absentglare said:
If you want to slay a human being because they're desperate for money, you can go ahead and bear those consequences yourself, leave me the **** out of it.
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I don't want to kill anyone, I want to be left alone. if they're willing to kill me for my stuff all bets are off.

see when you use force to steal someone's stuff, that's legally a persons crime, it is not a property crime. you can't use a gun to stop someone from shoplifting, and in this case it appears deadly force would not be warranted, but if you're attacked with bare hands in a strongarm, pepper spray is absolutely a great option. and using empty hand techniques against the assailant as well. the point is, these juveniles should not have been permitted to do this, everyone on the train should've restrained these suspects, arrested them, and held them for police. they should not have been permitted to escape. it used to be it was the obligation of every citizen to aprehend a felon and deliver them to the sheriff.
 
Absentglare said:
This isn't Dangerous Minds, it's real life. Schools will identify students. The kids who are not currently suspects aren't about to stick their necks out for a bunch of petty criminals. What you're talking about happens more often in closely-knit populations like prisons.
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No idea what Dangerous Minds is. My experience is that I grew up in the East Bay, which is where Oakland is. I know what I'm talking about.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I don't want to kill anyone, I want to be left alone. if they're willing to kill me for my stuff all bets are off.

see when you use force to steal someone's stuff, that's legally a persons crime, it is not a property crime. you can't use a gun to stop someone from shoplifting, and in this case it appears deadly force would not be warranted, but if you're attacked with bare hands in a strongarm, pepper spray is absolutely a great option. and using empty hand techniques against the assailant as well. the point is, these juveniles should not have been permitted to do this, everyone on the train should've restrained these suspects, arrested them, and held them for police. they should not have been permitted to escape. it used to be it was the obligation of every citizen to aprehend a felon and deliver them to the sheriff.
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No, it isn't. What you are talking about is vigilantism. That's often a crime, itself, and is seriously dangerous. If you're arguing that untrained civilians should be armed at all times to slaughter desperate kids and spare us the *horror* of a few hundred dollars of property loss, i don't even know where to begin with what's wrong with that...
 
Absentglare said:
No, it isn't. What you are talking about is vigilantism. That's often a crime, itself, and is seriously dangerous. If you're arguing that untrained civilians should be armed at all times to slaughter desperate kids and spare us the *horror* of a few hundred dollars of property loss, i don't even know where to begin with what's wrong with that...
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No that is not vigilantism, and I didnt advocate slaughtering anyone, I qualified that statement with if the robber is armed with a weapon you can use deadly force to resist the robbery. That is legal. If the robber is strong arming you can use force to (not deadly force) to resist them. You are also legally allowed to use force to recover your property from the robbery, and are legally allowed to use force to effect the arrest of a felon in your presence, none of that is vigilantism. These juveniles all got away and learned there's no consequences to their actions, the people on the train car should've had no problem outnumbering and swarming the robbers and holding them for the cops since they were unarmed. And not only that but robbery is NOT a property crime, it's a felony VIOLENT crime

Just how bad do you have to be a victim before you will choose to stop being one. Do you think the people that stopped and restrained Brock Turner when he was raping that woman in California were criminal vigilantes?
 
Absentglare said:
If you want to slay a human being because they're desperate for money, you can go ahead and bear those consequences yourself, leave me the **** out of it.
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You are the one who interjected your opinion into the conversation, and now want to get snippy when another poster counters your opinion?

Not trying to be disrespectful, but people like you embolden punk criminals to carry on with their theft and violence in public because they see right into your milky white fear as you turn away and pretend to not see whats going on while some lady gets her purse snatched on a train, or some guy getting beat down. Punks love guys like you because they know you are not going to react, and I know this first hand because I was just as brutal as any of these punks back in the 60's and 70's.
 
What happens when a kid gets bullied if he/she does nothing and complies with the bully? The same nasty behavior continues.
But what happens if the kid getting bullied stands up to the bully and defends himself. That is the end of the problem.

This group of "kids" do what they want when they want. There is no regard for societal norms. As long as they get away with
the criminal behavior they will continue. The folk on the train have been conditioned to do nothing. And the bad guys know that.
 
Lutherf said:
Teens Commandeer BART Train, Rob Passengers At Coliseum Station « CBS San Francisco



They won't release footage because the suspects are all juveniles? Since when has that been an issue?

I suspect that there's something more to this story. It's pretty damned unusual for one person to get away with a stunt like this in a public place without someone videoing the event so 50-60 kids doing something would likely have been caught on at least a couple of cameras. Besides, who's going to give up their wallet to a rampaging 8 year old?
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Just some of our misunderstood utes.
 
truthatallcost said:
No idea what Dangerous Minds is. My experience is that I grew up in the East Bay, which is where Oakland is. I know what I'm talking about.
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It was a movie about tough inner city kids.

My experience is that i grew up in the bay, which is where Oakland is. I know what i'm talking about.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No that is not vigilantism, and I didnt advocate slaughtering anyone, I qualified that statement with if the robber is armed with a weapon you can use deadly force to resist the robbery. That is legal. If the robber is strong arming you can use force to (not deadly force) to resist them. You are also legally allowed to use force to recover your property from the robbery, and are legally allowed to use force to effect the arrest of a felon in your presence, none of that is vigilantism. These juveniles all got away and learned there's no consequences to their actions, the people on the train car should've had no problem outnumbering and swarming the robbers and holding them for the cops since they were unarmed. And not only that but robbery is NOT a property crime, it's a felony VIOLENT crime

Just how bad do you have to be a victim before you will choose to stop being one. Do you think the people that stopped and restrained Brock Turner when he was raping that woman in California were criminal vigilantes?
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Lol, you're really falling apart here. Did you forget what you said?

EMNofSeattle said:
You're what's wrong with this society.
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Lol!! You damn nonviolent kids; you're the bane of this world!!

Get a ****ing grip. I have no obligation to defend petty cash with deadly force, especially not to you. The fact that you're eager to stretch the law as much as possible to justify slaying someone is just irrelevant.
 
RetiredUSN said:
You are the one who interjected your opinion into the conversation, and now want to get snippy when another poster counters your opinion?

Not trying to be disrespectful, but people like you embolden punk criminals to carry on with their theft and violence in public because they see right into your milky white fear as you turn away and pretend to not see whats going on while some lady gets her purse snatched on a train, or some guy getting beat down. Punks love guys like you because they know you are not going to react, and I know this first hand because I was just as brutal as any of these punks back in the 60's and 70's.
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Oh look, another stupid post trying to blame someone who is nonviolent for all the crime in the world.

No, i'm not responsible for this. You don't understand desperation, that's fine. Lots of people have been pampered their entire lives. I want to help desperate people, rather than trying to purge them from society with violence.
 
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