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Banned Super Bowl Add That Will Change Minds

DebateChallenge said:
Proper use of guns requires self control. If you have problems controlling your temper, and that obviously includes if you would shoot your spouse dead in an argument, than you shouldn't get a gun.
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most people have a problem controlling their tempers. read a couple threads on this site or look around during your next commute if you don't believe me.


DebateChallenge said:
That's why you keep guns out of the reach of five year olds just like you would medicine or other such poisons. Plain old common sense. You gun control advocates talk about common sense, well its common sense that guns are just like medicine in regards to small children, you keep them out of reach.


And how many people are hurt much worse or are killed in motorcycle accidents? Yet I don't see people running around screaming about more motorcycle control.
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according to this source, the number of traffic deaths and firearm deaths are virtually identical :

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

given this, there are less motorcycle deaths than firearm related deaths.


DebateChallenge said:
If somebody wants to do themselves in they will find a way, with or without guns.
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guns make the decision a lot more instantaneously final.

what we probably agree on : if you are emotionally unstable / mentally ill, you probably shouldn't have a gun. i would add that i support universal health care, including mental health. this might prevent at least a few nutters from mowing people down with readily available guns.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Too many people are sold this idea that just owning a gun will make you safer; you'll need to be skilled and disciplined as well.
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How true. By far most people who own guns fall under the category of UI (Unconsciously Incompetent) which means they aren't competent with guns and they don't know they're not competent with guns. And you will find police officers, security guards, and soldiers that fall in this category. That is why proper training and instruction is of utmost importance.
 
Redress said:
Ah, the backpedaling begins. Still not accurate, but at least you admit now you where dishonest when you said they where disarmed. This is why it is impossible to have an honest debate on the issue of guns here, people on both sides have to exagerate, resort to hyperbole, and generally throw out ad homs.
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Even if somebody has a gun, if the gun is in unusable condition in my book that means disarmed.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Even if somebody has a gun, if the gun is in unusable condition in my book that means disarmed.
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So you think a safety makes a gun disarming? That is a kinda silly argument...
 
Redress said:
Why do gun advocates have to rely on fear? What are you so afraid of?
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A well trained, well armed marksman sleeps easier at night than unarmed sheep who will just "hope for the best" when evil comes sneaking in the window. One might ask: "Why are you so naive?"
 
SoulFire77 said:
A well trained, well armed marksman sleeps easier at night than unarmed sheep who will just "hope for the best" when evil comes sneaking in the window. One might ask: "Why are you so naive?"
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I have trip wires set to claymores and punji stick pits in the backyard. Be prepared
 
SoulFire77 said:
A well trained, well armed marksman sleeps easier at night than unarmed sheep who will just "hope for the best" when evil comes sneaking in the window. One might ask: "Why are you so naive?"
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You know, I am 53 years old. No one has ever broken into my house in those 53 years. My mother is 73. She says she has never had a break in. In fact, I only know one person who did have a house broken into, and he was on vacation at the time. Maybe those home invasion robberies with you present are not real common. I don't lose sleep over the possibility of nuclear war, a meteor destroying the planet, or some one breaking into my home.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here is a banned Super Bowl add that will perhaps change the minds of even the most extreme anti gun zealots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUd3YBrfoR4
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I find it extremely difficult to believe that anyone would spend the millions it takes to run that ad on the Super Bowl. It's an ad for a local gun training that could not possibly pay for itself. The only ads that do pencil out are for nation wide goods and services that have multi million dollar markets.

But, it does serve to stir up fears that they're acomin' to get our guns!
 
Redress said:
You know, I am 53 years old. No one has ever broken into my house in those 53 years. My mother is 73. She says she has never had a break in. In fact, I only know one person who did have a house broken into, and he was on vacation at the time. Maybe those home invasion robberies with you present are not real common. I don't lose sleep over the possibility of nuclear war, a meteor destroying the planet, or some one breaking into my home.
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Anecdote <> data. According to the DOJ there are one million home invasions each year.
 
DebateChallenge said:
That is why you keep your finger off the trigger until you are absolutely sure of your target. Until you know your target you keep your finger off the trigger and your gun down at the ready. Once you are absolutely positive there's a bad guy, it is only then your finger goes to the trigger.


Being a good shot at the range is one thing, being good with a gun in a tactical situation also requires tactical training which includes what I mentioned above.
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my point exactly. do i consider myself level headed enough to wake up in the middle of the night and decide that it's definitely an intruder? at this point, not really. i sleepwalk and do all kinds of weird **** while i'm asleep.

DebateChallenge said:
But we are doing stuff about it. Although it is at a standstill we are still working on having national reciprocity for carry permits, we are working to get rid of gun free zones, but as for it being part of the culture I would say that you are partially right. Some states such as NJ or MA or CA are so anti gun I don't see much hope for them. The best thing to do in my opinion if you believe in gun rights is to simply not live in such states. As for job security, growth in the gun industry would certainly create more jobs.
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we aren't doing much about it at this point. the ironic part is that the pro gun side is significantly hurt by these nutter-driven mass shootings. one would think that they would support universal healthcare and background checks to slow this kind of thing, but it defies logic. i suppose that we'll keep chugging along status quo until someone does something so horrifying that the gag reflex kicks in, and then gun hobbyists will have to endure preventable suffering.
 
Rucker61 said:
Anecdote <> data. According to the DOJ there are one million home invasions each year.
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That means you have less than a 1 percent chance it will happen to you
 
Redress said:
You know, I am 53 years old. No one has ever broken into my house in those 53 years. My mother is 73. She says she has never had a break in. In fact, I only know one person who did have a house broken into, and he was on vacation at the time. Maybe those home invasion robberies with you present are not real common. I don't lose sleep over the possibility of nuclear war, a meteor destroying the planet, or some one breaking into my home.
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Of course you have never had a break in! Did you really think you needed to tell me that? If you had, or knew someone that lost their life because they could not defend themselves from an assailant - you would not be sitting on the naive "gun control" side of the fence, now would you?
 
jet57 said:
Nonsense man. "They're coming to get, get my family! I better have a gun".... is nothing but emotional drivel.
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The gun rights crowd can be emotional too, but they've also got logic, something the gun control crowd lacks.
 
DebateChallenge said:
The gun rights crowd can be emotional too, but they've also got logic, something the gun control crowd lacks.
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Your logic is skewed and puts yourselves and your guns ahead of anybody else. Your arguments against gun controls are silly and easily out argued because there IS no logic to them and that's why the country is changing. Wait until this next generation starts voting and watch what happens.
 
Helix said:
most people have a problem controlling their tempers. read a couple threads on this site or look around during your next commute if you don't believe me.
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People who have problems controlling their tempers to the point where they would use a gun in an argument with their spouse, should not get guns.




Helix said:
according to this source, the number of traffic deaths and firearm deaths are virtually identical :

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

given this, there are less motorcycle deaths than firearm related deaths.
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I will have to check those statistics to see if they're accurate.




Helix said:
guns make the decision a lot more instantaneously final.

what we probably agree on : if you are emotionally unstable / mentally ill, you probably shouldn't have a gun. i would add that i support universal health care, including mental health. this might prevent at least a few nutters from mowing people down with readily available guns.
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Nope, all too often suicide is planned out way ahead, weeks or even months in advance.
 
Redress said:
Odd, I have never lived in fear, and am still prepared for whatever happens. Maybe I am just braver than you?
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So you admit, there is a difference between being in fear and being prepared.
 
Redress said:
Really? And you base that on what?
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Read many of the posts in this forum. Check out the news. Look at the "March For Our Lives" protest back in March, there you have it, so many people who are afraid of good, honest, decent people being armed.
 
Redress said:
So you think a safety makes a gun disarming? That is a kinda silly argument...
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No because it takes but a millisecond to switch the safety off and put the gun in firing condition.
 
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