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Automatic license plate readers and search and seizure?

GDViking

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So is it a civil liberties problem with police randomly running your plates and collecting data?

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it violates no personal rights while making law enforcement more efficient
which factors seem to be a good thing
 
GDViking said:
So is it a civil liberties problem with police randomly running your plates and collecting data?

Discussion...
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Hmm.... If there is, it is the license plate in the first place... It is designed to aid in identification, this is simply building on that. Could also argue that they are only able to gather information about the vehicle... I could be driving my car, my wife could be driving my car, my father, etc.

They do it up here as well, and it's a bit eyebrow raising. Ultimately, though, I'm not super concerned, as a scan of my license would be immediately avenged by how boring the read would be...hehe.
 
justabubba said:
it violates no personal rights while making law enforcement more efficient
which factors seem to be a good thing
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To me it seems to be more of a stop and frisk.

I have been getting stopped a lot lately for no reason, it finally occurred to me they are reading my plates and stopping me for past tickets.
 
GDViking said:
So is it a civil liberties problem with police randomly running your plates and collecting data?

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The license plate is publicly displayed so there can be no reasonable expectation of privacy in terms of the data linked to it. There is no violation if the police are just being looky-loos. Where a civil liberties problem does occur is in a scenario where the police then use that data for reasons unrelated to law enforcement.
 
OlNate said:
Hmm.... If there is, it is the license plate in the first place... It is designed to aid in identification, this is simply building on that.
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Correct. What's the justification for a license plate in the first place?
 
GDViking said:
To me it seems to be more of a stop and frisk.

I have been getting stopped a lot lately for no reason, it finally occurred to me they are reading my plates and stopping me for past tickets.
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I was thinking this, too.


Like...prove there was no bias involved with the decision to stop you?
 
WCH said:
Never been through as toll road checkpoint before?
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Nope...

Haven't been through a toll in around ten years or more.

I haven't gone to Chicago since Jerry Garcia passed...
 
KevinKohler said:
I was thinking this, too.


Like...prove there was no bias involved with the decision to stop you?
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Last one told me he stopped me because he read my plates. I got a bit obnoxious and asked him how he could read my plate at sixty miles an hour in the dark. The only answer I could get out of him was " I don't know".

If it's such a good tool why are they lying about why they pulled me over?
 
GDViking said:
Nope...

Haven't been through a toll in around ten years or more.

I haven't gone to Chicago since Jerry Garcia passed...
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Reading your plates electronically is how they do it now days. Actually they photo your plates and read your tag...if you have one.
 
GDViking said:
Last one told me he stopped me because he read my plates. I got a bit obnoxious and asked him how he could read my plate at sixty miles an hour in the dark. The only answer I could get out of him was " I don't know".

If it's such a good tool why are they lying about why they pulled me over?
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I guess a grudge is as good as any reason to start a thread...
 
Napoleon said:
The license plate is publicly displayed so there can be no reasonable expectation of privacy in terms of the data linked to it. There is no violation if the police are just being looky-loos. Where a civil liberties problem does occur is in a scenario where the police then use that data for reasons unrelated to law enforcement.
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When I walk down the street I'm on public display, does that give the cops the right to go through my wallet?
 
Harshaw said:
Correct. What's the justification for a license plate in the first place?
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A license plate does not tell you who is behind the wheel, it tells you if the car is properly licensed to be on the road. If it is and there are no other reasons to pull you over that is an unwarranted stop.
 
cabse5 said:
I guess a grudge is as good as any reason to start a thread...
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Yip, after looking it up only a handful of states have any regulations on how these are used.

And in my personal experience they are being abused...
 
GDViking said:
A license plate does not tell you who is behind the wheel, it tells you if the car is properly licensed to be on the road. If it is and there are no other reasons to pull you over that is an unwarranted stop.
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You don't need a unique identifier to indicate a car is licensed to be on the road. A generic tag will do.
 
GDViking said:
A license plate does not tell you who is behind the wheel, it tells you if the car is properly licensed to be on the road. If it is and there are no other reasons to pull you over that is an unwarranted stop.
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Kinda like how Mueller 'pulled over' Cohen and Manafort, hum?
 
Harshaw said:
You don't need a unique identifier to indicate a car is licensed to be on the road. A generic tag will do.
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So you would be fine with facial recognition cameras on stop lights and people being pulled over because they had the same facial features as someone else???
 
GDViking said:
So you would be fine with facial recognition cameras on stop lights and people being pulled over because they had the same facial features as someone else???
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Where on Earth do you get that? I was arguing against the need for unique identifiers on a car. Why would you think I'd be "OK" with any such thing?

Geez, some people just can't take agreement. It always has to be a fight.

Have fun with that.
 
Harshaw said:
Where on Earth do you get that? I was arguing against the need for unique identifiers on a car. Why would you think I'd be "OK" with any such thing?

Geez, some people just can't take agreement. It always has to be a fight.

Have fun with that.
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Sorry I misunderstood your post.
However I was looking for an opportunity to bring that up because they have the technology to do it and it's only a matter of time before they do.

Again my apologies it's early and I can't decide whether to make coffee or go back to sleep for a while...��
 
GDViking said:
Sorry I misunderstood your post.
However I was looking for an opportunity to bring that up because they have the technology to do it and it's only a matter of time before they do.

Again my apologies it's early and I can't decide whether to make coffee or go back to sleep for a while...��
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It happens. No problem.
 
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