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At least 30 injured after car plows into crowd outside music venue in Los Angeles

Michael Cole said:
abcnews.go.com

At least 30 injured after car plows into crowd outside music venue in Los Angeles

The incident took place near the intersection of Santa Monica Boulevard and Vermont Avenue in east Los Angeles.
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At least 30 people were injured after a car plowed through a crowd early Saturday in East Hollywood, Los Angeles, authorities said.

The incident took place outside the music venue The Vermont, near the intersection of Santa Monica Boulevard and Vermont Avenue in east Los Angeles, at around 2:00 a.m. local time.

At least one person was still in critical condition with several others in serious condition as of Saturday afternoon, the LAPD said. In total, 24 patients were taken to the hospital.

The critically injured person was a woman in her 20's who sustained critical leg injuries, police said.

Police said the driver was shot by a male after the crash. The driver is currently in surgery and the shooter is at large.

Developing story. Man plows through crowd. Crowd beats him up. Man gets shot. Shooter flees. No fatalities, thank God.
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He was apparently kicked out of the club/place earlier then got behind the wheel
 
This guy should never been let out of jail.


Ramirez was convicted of felony battery and sentenced in 2020 for attacking a man outside a Whole Foods grocery store in June 2019, KNBC reported Sunday. He was on parole at the time of Saturday's crash, but it's unclear whether it was in connection with the 2019 attack or another case.

Ramirez has had at least 11 criminal cases ranging from misdemeanors to felonies, KNBC reported. In January 2022, he was charged with felony domestic battery and entered a not guilty plea. That case remains open and he also has a pending DUI case, the station added, citing the Orange County District Attorney's Office.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/californ...a-crowd-convicted-felon-out-parole-police-say
 
Roadvirus said:
This guy should never been let out of jail.


Ramirez was convicted of felony battery and sentenced in 2020 for attacking a man outside a Whole Foods grocery store in June 2019, KNBC reported Sunday. He was on parole at the time of Saturday's crash, but it's unclear whether it was in connection with the 2019 attack or another case.

Ramirez has had at least 11 criminal cases ranging from misdemeanors to felonies, KNBC reported. In January 2022, he was charged with felony domestic battery and entered a not guilty plea. That case remains open and he also has a pending DUI case, the station added, citing the Orange County District Attorney's Office.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/californ...a-crowd-convicted-felon-out-parole-police-say
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At least, a criminal background check might have prevented him from possessing a motor vehicle.
 
Integrityrespec said:
WE need to outlaw cars.
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We regulate cars rather heavily. Including mandated licensing, mandated safety systems, yearly registration fees, testing for capability, etc.

It's a pretty poor deflection from gun control to try to hype on cars.
 
Ikari said:
We regulate cars rather heavily. Including mandated licensing, mandated safety systems, yearly registration fees, testing for capability, etc.

It's a pretty poor deflection from gun control to try to hype on cars.
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Let's start with the requirement for an individual to own and possess a motor vehicle. Then we can go on to the use of public roads with a motor vehicle.
 
RF667799 said:
Let's start with the requirement for an individual to own and possess a motor vehicle. Then we can go on to the use of public roads with a motor vehicle.
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Are we going to try some sov cit stuff here?

lol

Yeah, people can purchase a car and if they keep it on their property can operate it without a license. Those vehicles that are continually manufactured, however, also have a ton over oversight and regulation associated with them including regulation on mandatory safety equipment.

But seeing as this case wasn't a guy driving a car on his own property, but rather him driving his car on the public roads than the FULL of the regulations becomes relevant. Because not many people are buying cars exclusively to run on their own private property, the vast majority of us are purchasing cars to transport on the public roadways. So trying to harp on automobiles as a deflection from gun control is still a ****ing stupid argument.
 
Ikari said:
Are we going to try some sov cit stuff here?

lol

Yeah, people can purchase a car and if they keep it on their property can operate it without a license. Those vehicles that are continually manufactured, however, also have a ton over oversight and regulation associated with them including regulation on mandatory safety equipment.

But seeing as this case wasn't a guy driving a car on his own property, but rather him driving his car on the public roads than the FULL of the regulations becomes relevant. Because not many people are buying cars exclusively to run on their own private property, the vast majority of us are purchasing cars to transport on the public roadways. So trying to harp on automobiles as a deflection from gun control is still a ****ing stupid argument.
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So people can buy a car without having a license. They can operate it on private property (not necessarily their own) without a license. They can be incapable of getting a license, and can still own and possess a car. Felons can buy a car, no questions asked. Stalkers can buy and possess a car- which might come in handy for them.

I told you we would do owning and possessing first. Anything more to add on that?
 
RF667799 said:
30 people injured- some critically- in a mass casualty attack, and only 25 posts in two days?

Must not be any political axes to grind.
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Guess not! LOL
 
RF667799 said:
So people can buy a car without having a license. They can operate it on private property (not necessarily their own) without a license. They can be incapable of getting a license, and can still own and possess a car. Felons can buy a car, no questions asked. Stalkers can buy and possess a car- which might come in handy for them.

I told you we would do owning and possessing first. Anything more to add on that?
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I don't know if it's "no questions asked".

I don't care what you "told me". If you aren't going to make an applicable argument, then it's moot. And I already pointed out that there's many rules, regulations, and oversight over the mere manufacturing of automobiles and required safety systems integrated into it.

You're making a dumb argument if you want to try to deflect to automobiles as a methodology to avoid talking about gun control. There are far more effective and fundamentally solid lines of arguments for not having as many restrictions or other regulations over the right to keep and bear arms.
 
RF667799 said:
So people can buy a car without having a license. They can operate it on private property (not necessarily their own) without a license. They can be incapable of getting a license, and can still own and possess a car. Felons can buy a car, no questions asked. Stalkers can buy and possess a car- which might come in handy for them.

I told you we would do owning and possessing first. Anything more to add on that?
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Probably because cars arent' designed as weapons designed to kill.
 
Ikari said:
I don't know if it's "no questions asked".

I don't care what you "told me". If you aren't going to make an applicable argument, then it's moot. And I already pointed out that there's many rules, regulations, and oversight over the mere manufacturing of automobiles and required safety systems integrated into it.
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Gun manufacturing is subject to rules and regulations as well. I don't expect guns to be subject to DOT regs concerning tires though. I'm not really concerned with the regulations that gun manufacturers are subject to as compared to car manufacturers. I assume that both have to comply with applicable regulations.

Do you agree that ownership and possession of motor vehicles is less regulated than ownership and possession of guns?

Ikari said:
You're making a dumb argument if you want to try to deflect to automobiles as a methodology to avoid talking about gun control. There are far more effective and fundamentally solid lines of arguments for not having as many restrictions or other regulations over the right to keep and bear arms.
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I didn't bring up gun control in this thread. I embrace talking about gun control though, especially in the context of someone saying or implying that guns should be regulated like motor vehicles.

Shall we go on to the use of the two items in public common areas like highways and such?
 
As the saying goes: "Nothing good happens at two in the morning".

Examples
1. Guy gets booted from a club

2 Drunk ass guy decides to get payback against people who had nothing to do with his boot.

3. Drunk ass crowd decides to engage in vigilantly justice

4. Some drunk ass dude shoots the perp.
 
Lovebug said:
We don't know much, according to the article.
It reads like a lot of wrong reactions by many?
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It's local news here, the guy did this because he was having a temper tantrum for being thrown out but he also has a previous conviction for violent altercations in the past.
 
Violent people being allowed to own cars is dumb. This will keep happening.


And I bet the shooter used another car to get away.
 
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