"assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles [W:598]

[apdst]

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That was before my time, but from what I understand about Cambodia, it was not progress.

Pol pot is not disarmament is not common sense gun control. Part of the problem is that you guys are blowing this stuff wildly out of proportion for your own personal entertainment.

There's space in between disarmament and anarchy. Those of us who don't respect the legislative process are pushing for anarchy. Not to mention that you have a big problem if you cannot abide by policy which is supported by the majority of America, especially if you work in Congress. Most of us live this way already, we're ready to make it law, and the bull**** they come up with in Congress isn't working.

Black Codes during Jim Crow were supported by a majority of America. Does that make it ok?

 

[danielpalos]

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an assault rifle should be better for fire suppression.

a semi-auto should be better for counter fire.

 

[TurtleDude]

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What the **** is "common sense gun laws"?


Taking away assault weapons which are used in less than 1% of all shootings is anything but common sense, it's ****ing stupid.

Oh but my good sir, you are mistaken. You and I -when we hear COMMON SENSE GUN RESTRICTIONS-make the mistake of seeing that phrase in terms of doing something that would DECREASE violent crimes committed with guns. WE ARE WRONG

to gun restrictionists whose main goal is harassing lawful gun ownership-COMMON SENSE RESTRICTIONS are ones that have a predicted impact of harassing lawful gun ownership. That is how they evaluate the laws they try to foist upon us

 

[TurtleDude]

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an assault rifle should be better for fire suppression.

a semi-auto should be better for counter fire.

OMG you actually are almost completely correct here. an assault rifle used in select fire automatic mode is better for suppressing hostile fire, or to break contact with an enemy or to SUPPRESS MOVEMENT by the enemy. Using the same weapon in semi auto (or a semi auto only) for hitting individual targets is correct

In WWII, in the street fighting of urban areas of France and Germany, two or three man teams would use a Tommy Gun or M3 (Grease Gun) to allow the others to advance and then the advancing soldiers would take out German snipers or machine gunners with Aimed Garand or MI carbine fire.

 

[apdst]

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An example of a regulated gun law regarding hunting.

It's a regulation on hunting, not guns.

 

[TurtleDude]

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It's a regulation on hunting, not guns.

many gun restrictionists cannot understand that the prohibition on say inducing fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire is not a restriction on being able to have the means to yell fire but rather a time and place restriction. They claim this justifies banning ownership on say assault weapons. in reality, the proper analogy is that you cannot fire a gun in an urban area unless there are grounds to do so-like the imminent threat of bodily harm

restrictions on hunting are also a use restriction, not a possession restriction. They also try to compare gun ownership with cars. Again, stuff like speeding restrictions are not bans on owning cars the can go three times the legal speed limit but merely DRIVING at those speeds

 

[Trinnity]

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People don't know the difference between a hunting rifle, and a battle rifle, let alone an assault weapon. It's very simple: an assault weapon is the Sturmgewehr and its variations including the AR15.

 

[TurtleDude]

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People don't know the difference between a hunting rifle, and a battle rifle, let alone an assault weapon. It's very simple: an assault weapon is the Sturmgewehr and its variations including the AR15.

actually the STG was a real assault RIFLE. the term assault weapon is worthless-the California Bannerrhoid politicians' law included the 22 short Rapid fire Olympic Pistol (which is one of the reasons why the US Shooting team trials moved from California to other states in the early 90s) because the pistol

1) was semi auto
2) had a detachable magazine and
3) the magazine well was forward of the pistol grip

 

[Rucker61]

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People don't know the difference between a hunting rifle, and a battle rifle, let alone an assault weapon. It's very simple: an assault weapon is the Sturmgewehr and its variations including the AR15.

A semiauto .22 pistol with a threaded muzzle is considered an "assault weapon".

 

[Trinnity]

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actually the STG was a real assault RIFLE. the term assault weapon is worthless-the California Bannerrhoid politicians' law included the 22 short Rapid fire Olympic Pistol (which is one of the reasons why the US Shooting team trials moved from California to other states in the early 90s) because the pistol

1) was semi auto
2) had a detachable magazine and
3) the magazine well was forward of the pistol grip

You're good. Damn good.

 

[Trinnity]

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A semiauto .22 pistol with a threaded muzzle is considered an "assault weapon".

But it's not. An assault rifle is a specific item. A semiauto handgun is NOT a pistol.

 

[Rucker61]

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But it's not. An assault rifle is a specific item. A semiauto handgun is NOT a pistol.

A semiauto handgun is the very definition of a pistol. A revolver is a handgun, but not a pistol.

I never said "assault rifle". I said "assault weapon". I can't help if if Democrats are ignorant about firearms.

"The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

“(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:

(i) A threaded barrel."

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5087/text

 

[Trinnity]

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A semiauto handgun is the very definition of a pistol. A revolver is a handgun, but not a pistol.

I never said "assault rifle". I said "assault weapon". I can't help if if Democrats are ignorant about firearms.

"The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

“(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:

(i) A threaded barrel."

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5087/text

Good for you.

 

[Parrish]

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https://splinternews.com/watch-this-powerful-psa-by-veterans-for-gun-reform-1824046501

 

[TurtleDude]

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https://splinternews.com/watch-this-powerful-psa-by-veterans-for-gun-reform-1824046501

Veterans who are Democrat pawns and are too stupid to understand Civilian weaponry, the constitution and firearms issues. hate to tell you this, many army types don't know much about guns. Some do-the US Army Shooting Team-US Army Marksmanship Unit, some of the snipers etc. Average soldier-not so much. and yes, some in the military fluff the Democrat party and will say whatever it takes to help it.

most members of the military are not supportive of the gun banners

I ran this crap by several veterans and active duty military-including my nephew- (Major First Special Forces Group, Ft Lewis, Wa). they all said it used REMF or Pogue nonsense


I carried an M4 in the military. It was a very scary thing to see just how efficient and powerful and dangerous it was. It was developed for one reason—to be a weapon of war made for creating carnage and doing so in a way that you don’t have to stop to reload,” Hausmann–Stokes said, according to a series focused on gun violence created by the file–transfer service WeTransfer, called WePresent.

this oozing bovine excrement sounds like it came from the MSM who was terrified to shoot an AR 15

 

[Parrish]

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Isn't that special.

 

[vegas giants]

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https://splinternews.com/watch-this-powerful-psa-by-veterans-for-gun-reform-1824046501

That is a powerful message from those who are in the know

 

[TurtleDude]

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Good for you.

you and Rucker are on the same side. I've known him a while-He knows his subject very very well

 

[TurtleDude]

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Isn't that special.

If you post left wing bannerrhoid propaganda I am going to point it out. Soldiers who fear the destructive power of an M4 certainly aren't in active combat and certainly not elite levels. Probably someone who is a trade school enlistee.

 

[vegas giants]

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Isn't that special.

Wannabe Rambo paper target warriors think they know the awful destructive power of guns. They should listen to the guys that do

 

[Bark]

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Could those of you who want to ban "assault weapons" but claim you don't want to ban other firearms (yet) tell us exactly what makes the so called "assault weapon" styled rifle more dangerous and more criminally desireable than other center fire magazine fed semi auto rifles

for those who aren't up on this topic, the democrat bills define assault weapons as semi auto magazine fed firearms with one or two (depending on the bills) features that make the gun look more military* such as adjustable stocks, pistol grips, barrels with flash hiders and bayonet lugs. Under the Clinton ban makers merely removed some of those features and the guns were legal to be sold. The minute the ban was over-for example-i replaced the fixed stocks with adjustable ones which allowed my then young son to be able to shoot the rifle-same with my 5-4 wife vs me at just under 6-2.

Now for those of you who support banning the AR-15 or similar assault weapons-tell us why those features justify the ban. Now if you support banning all semi auto rifles-you can say that too











*due to the large amount of military subcontractors of M4 rifles, many parts are available to AR 15 makers much cheaper than say available or similar rifles (like the Ruger Mini 14 or the AR 180 last made by Springfield Armory) so many AR 15 makers use surplus M16/M4 stocks, barrels (complete with bayonet lugs) grips, etc

I think this goes far deeper than any easy talking points. My take is the round and the original purpose of the weapon design. The cavitation cause by a high velocity 556 is entirely different than say a 357 mag. Obviously bolt action rifles are great for hunting, and brush guns, but semi auto, high capacity have a different purpose. A person cannot walk into a school and dump rounds from a handgun, tube shot gun, or bolt action like they can with "being generic" and AR. I hunt and I know hunting doesn't happen much in Texas. Going on a lease where you get drunk in a stand and wait for deer to get to the salt lick is not hunting. The 556 is so tiny that it is basically worthless if it hits a twig. Take a brush gun. Handguns are perfect for home defense. So are shot guns. All these baby military rifles are toys. That's all. Yes they are modular, yes this and that, but in reality, it is a toy. I think there can be a common sense approach that allows needs to be covered, but limits the war machines. I feel if you want guns designed specifically to kill as many people as possible, sign up.

 

[vegas giants]

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I think this goes far deeper than any easy talking points. My take is the round and the original purpose of the weapon design. The cavitation cause by a high velocity 556 is entirely different than say a 357 mag. Obviously bolt action rifles are great for hunting, and brush guns, but semi auto, high capacity have a different purpose. A person cannot walk into a school and dump rounds from a handgun, tube shot gun, or bolt action like they can with "being generic" and AR. I hunt and I know hunting doesn't happen much in Texas. Going on a lease where you get drunk in a stand and wait for deer to get to the salt lick is not hunting. The 556 is so tiny that it is basically worthless if it hits a twig. Take a brush gun. Handguns are perfect for home defense. So are shot guns. All these baby military rifles are toys. That's all. Yes they are modular, yes this and that, but in reality, it is a toy. I think there can be a common sense approach that allows needs to be covered, but limits the war machines. I feel if you want guns designed specifically to kill as many people as possible, sign up.

Wow. Well said from someone who knows

 

[TurtleDude]

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I think this goes far deeper than any easy talking points. My take is the round and the original purpose of the weapon design. The cavitation cause by a high velocity 556 is entirely different than say a 357 mag. Obviously bolt action rifles are great for hunting, and brush guns, but semi auto, high capacity have a different purpose. A person cannot walk into a school and dump rounds from a handgun, tube shot gun, or bolt action like they can with "being generic" and AR. I hunt and I know hunting doesn't happen much in Texas. Going on a lease where you get drunk in a stand and wait for deer to get to the salt lick is not hunting. The 556 is so tiny that it is basically worthless if it hits a twig. Take a brush gun. Handguns are perfect for home defense. So are shot guns. All these baby military rifles are toys. That's all. Yes they are modular, yes this and that, but in reality, it is a toy. I think there can be a common sense approach that allows needs to be covered, but limits the war machines. I feel if you want guns designed specifically to kill as many people as possible, sign up.

that's so stupid its only worth laughing at.

 

[Bark]

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that's so stupid its only worth laughing at.

I'm trying to be polite this time. Why don't you take up a point instead of calling names?

 

[TurtleDude]

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I'm trying to be polite this time. Why don't you take up a point instead of calling names?

its stupid. sorry. You've been here more than a year: do you read the other posts?

AR 15s are issued by most major police departments-some are issuing surplus military M4s or M16s. The AR 15 is the single most versatile self defense weapon a homeowner or shop keeper can own. Claiming they are designed to kill mass numbers of people is so stupid as to render your opinion on any firearms subject worthless. If that was even remotely true, why are civilian police using them? Belt fed machine guns come closer to that claim. Many of the top civilian firearms instructors consider the AR 15 ideal for varied problems a home owner or shop keeper might encounter. These instructors have years of experience-the place I train is run by a guy who was first an MP in Vietnam during the Tet Offensive (among other things) and then director of the County Swat team (smaller villages and cities created a swat team by having each department dedicate an officer to it, and this man was head of it). Another instructor who supports AR 15s for civilian defense is this fellow

https://www.bravocompanymfg.com/gunfighters/frank_proctor.php

I own one of the rifles he designed for Windham Weaponry (the original Bushmaster Factory)

one of the best I own

https://www.windhamweaponry.com/fir...ber-rifle/way-of-the-gun-performance-carbine/