"assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles [W:598]

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

in the above example, the 3400fps bullet weighing 62 grain has more energy than the 300 grain bullet traveling 1500 fps.

Proof: 300 grain is only 4.8x more massive than 62 grain. However, since 3400fps is 2.3x faster than 1500fps, the energy increase due to velocity is 5.3x greater (2.3**2). And, I presume you do understand that 5.3 is greater than 4.8. Correct?


lol...since you obviously know nothing about energy, I'll just ignore your nonsensical statement. But, if you want to learn, read this.

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

I have shot animals in Africa, South America, and North America-some over 1000 pounds. Plus I was forced to shoot someone in self defense. You clearly haven't a clue what you are talking about. I doubt you even care. Your posts have demonstrated your main goal is stirring crap up and baiting gun owners over some frantic issues you have over the election. Get back to me when you have dressed out close to a 100 animals that have been terminated due to ballistics

 

[TurtleDude]

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When someone doesn't understand high school level kinetic energy calculations but claims to be an expert in ballistics, you know they are full of ****.

you lie constantly on this issue. Your biggest lie is your attempts to convince us your goal is something other than trying to bait gun owners. You don't understand things like energy dumps and transmission of energy into a target that is far more important in determining if the shot will stop/kill the target than the muzzle energy.

 

[calamity]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

you lie constantly on this issue. Your biggest lie is your attempts to convince us your goal is something other than trying to bait gun owners. You don't understand things like energy dumps and transmission of energy into a target that is far more important in determining if the shot will stop/kill the target than the muzzle energy.

No, TD. The thing to do here is just admit you are wrong and know nothing about calculating kinetic energy, what it really means and how energy (potential and kinetic) is all that matters when it comes to ballistics. But, do continue proving to us how full of **** you are. We could all use a reminder.

 

[calamity]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

I have shot animals in Africa, South America, and North America-some over 1000 pounds. Plus I was forced to shoot someone in self defense. You clearly haven't a clue what you are talking about. I doubt you even care. Your posts have demonstrated your main goal is stirring crap up and baiting gun owners over some frantic issues you have over the election. Get back to me when you have dressed out close to a 100 animals that have been terminated due to ballistics

:lamo

Yeah, Mr Internet. Whatever you say. :roll:

I'm 6'5"; 220 and hung like a horse.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

in the above example, the 3400fps bullet weighing 62 grain has more energy than the 300 grain bullet traveling 1500 fps.

Proof: 300 grain is only 4.8x more massive than 62 grain. However, since 3400fps is 2.3x faster than 1500fps, the energy increase due to velocity is 5.3x greater (2.3**2). And, I presume you do understand that 5.3 is greater than 4.8. Correct?


lol...since you obviously know nothing about energy, I'll just ignore your nonsensical statement. But, if you want to learn, read this.

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

your stupid article is dishonestly comparing AR 15s to handgun bullets


the bullet from a handgun is—as absurd as it may sound—slow compared to that from an AR-15. It can be stopped by the thick bone of the upper leg. It might pass through the body, only to become lodged in skin, which is surprisingly elastic.

but those clowns aren't comparing APPLES TO APPLES-ie rifles to rifles. The bannerrhoid movement tries to pretend that the bullet from an AR 15 is some outrageously deadly projectile when its not when COMPARED to standard hunting rifles-especially firing HUNTING rounds which are ILLEGAL under the Hague convention and other treaties on warfare. Almost all the rare killings with AR 15s are committed with FMJ surplus rounds since they are the cheapest and easiest to get. I have yet to hear of the FEW active shooters who used AR 15s loading them with hollow point varmint loads or soft tip rounds-both of which would dump far more energy into a human body as they expand compared to the 55 FMJ bullets which are far cheaper. Since most AR 15s these days are using military surplus (1X7
twist) or commercial 8X twists designed for the heavier SS109 rounds or target rounds, the 55FMJ spins so fast it doesn't usually destabilized with severe yaw like they did in Nam with the 1x12 or 1X14 barrels
why doesn't that article compare the AR 15 with say the most popular hunting cartridge the 30-06 (which also was our main rifle and machine gun round from WW1 through Korea)

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

:lamo

Yeah, Mr Internet. Whatever you say. :roll:

I'm 6'5"; 220 and hung like a horse.

I have yet to see someone who understand firearms on this board every claim I am ignorant on this topic. I have seen plenty of people note that you are

 

[calamity]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

I have yet to see someone who understand firearms on this board every claim I am ignorant on this topic. I have seen plenty of people note that you are

You don't understand high school energy math. That's pretty bad, TD.

If you had, you would have instinctively known a bullet traveling twice as fast packs more energy than one which has three times more mass.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

You don't understand high school energy math. That's pretty bad, TD.

If you had, you would have instinctively known a bullet traveling twice as fast packs more energy than one which has three times more mass.

you are are trying to argue Ek=1/2MV2 when that isn't the issue. The issue is stopping power and lethality. You are engaged in fencing with a strawman you created while I cleave your contrarian idiocy to its very core. Why do you pretend that comparing an AR 15 round to a handgun run means anything? Ask any soldier who has been limited to FMJ rounds what pistol has greater stopping power

the 9mm firing a 115 grain bullet at 1150 FPS vs the 45 ACP that fires a 230 grain bullet at 850 FPS. the 45 has far more chance of a one stop shot for COM hit

 

[calamity]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

you are are trying to argue Ek=1/2MV2 when that isn't the issue. The issue is stopping power and lethality. You are engaged in fencing with a strawman you created while I cleave your contrarian idiocy to its very core. Why do you pretend that comparing an AR 15 round to a handgun run means anything? Ask any soldier who has been limited to FMJ rounds what pistol has greater stopping power

the 9mm firing a 115 grain bullet at 1150 FPS vs the 45 ACP that fires a 230 grain bullet at 850 FPS

lol....do continue.

 

[zsu2357]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

when someone calls a semi auto rifle a weapon of mass destruction, you realize you are dealing with an argument that is completely idiotic and not proffered in good faith. Its just pure baiting bovine excrement.

Just yesterday[29] I was looking for something on you tube in response to something calamity said (don't quote calamity,just pretty sure) and got side tracked by the idiocy of anti gunners that were marching or whatever they do and got listening to interviews with them. TALK ABOUT CLUELESS. They seemed to not know what they were marching for except to go with the herd.

 

[zsu2357]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Quote Originally Posted by calamity
in the above example, the 3400fps bullet weighing 62 grain has more energy than the 300 grain bullet traveling 1500 fps.

Proof: 300 grain is only 4.8x more massive than 62 grain. However, since 3400fps is 2.3x faster than 1500fps, the energy increase due to velocity is 5.3x greater (2.3**2). And, I presume you do understand that 5.3 is greater than 4.8. Correct?

WTF? You keep telling that to yourself and you will be just fine IF you are ever shot by a 9mm or .45 hollow point( remember like that article said it's just like a knife cut).At 50' (call it mass shooting distance?) I'll take getting shot with the .223 if I just had to be shot. Either way it's a bad day ,just worse with the 9mm hollow point or .45 hollow point.

 

[Moot]

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that's moronic. we don't get anything in return for giving it up. I like the founders compromise-

people keep their rights-and if the government tries to take the rights, the people throw out the government

your definition of a compromise is childish

its like saying- I have 100 head of cattle

you have none and you want all my cattle

so the compromise is I give you 50

doesn't work that way.

Sure you do...you get to keep your guns. Isn't that what you want?

The founders didn't want or provide for the overthrow of their newly created government in the Constitution or BoR. That's just absurd.

I didn't define compromise...the dictionary did.

Ok...your cattle is on public land.

So if you want to feed your cattle and stay in business, then it would behoove you to compromise with the public.

See how that works? lol

 

[calamity]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

WTF? You keep telling that to yourself and you will be just fine IF you are ever shot by a 9mm or .45 hollow point( remember like that article said it's just like a knife cut).At 50' (call it mass shooting distance?) I'll take getting shot with the .223 if I just had to be shot. Either way it's a bad day ,just worse with the 9mm hollow point or .45 hollow point.

Oh, another one who has no understanding of high school math. Kinetic energy is far more dependent on velocity than it is mass. And, the kinetic energy of a moving object is all that matters when it comes to stopping it.

A slow moving truck, mass of 50,000 lbs, is 10x more massive than a regular vehicle. But, if said vehicle is moving just 3.33x faster than that truck, it carries the same energy, i.e. requires equal stopping force. So, truck at 25 mph requires the same force to stop as sports car at 75 mph.

Like, I said, high school stuff.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Just yesterday[29] I was looking for something on you tube in response to something calamity said (don't quote calamity,just pretty sure) and got side tracked by the idiocy of anti gunners that were marching or whatever they do and got listening to interviews with them. TALK ABOUT CLUELESS. They seemed to not know what they were marching for except to go with the herd.

its just amazing the number of completely dishonest claims and outright lies we see from the anti gun side. The worst they can say about the pro gun side is to deny our claims that many of them want far more than the next "reasonable step" (towards a gun ban). They, on the other hand make claims that most anyone who actually has shot a firearm knows is a lie. Like claims that semi autos fire 30 rounds a second (btw conventional machine guns cannot fire that fast-only motor driven weapons like a multi barrel minigun with a 78 HP motor or a Hughes Chain gun can fire faster than 1300 or so rounds a minute

or claims that the bullets out of the 556 AR-15 are something far more deadly than the firearms carried in WWI, WWII or most deer hunting camps in the USA

or that the AR 15 has no value for self defense

they just spew lies and figure most of the sheeple won't call them on that

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Sure you do...you get to keep your guns. Isn't that what you want?

The founders didn't want or provide for the overthrow of their newly created government in the Constitution or BoR. That's just absurd.

I didn't define compromise...the dictionary did.

Ok...your cattle is on public land.

So if you want to feed your cattle and stay in business, then it would behoove you to compromise with the public.

See how that works? lol

what a stupid argument. we have always been able to keep our guns=only recently did the scum in the Democrat party try to disarm honest people

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

WTF? You keep telling that to yourself and you will be just fine IF you are ever shot by a 9mm or .45 hollow point( remember like that article said it's just like a knife cut).At 50' (call it mass shooting distance?) I'll take getting shot with the .223 if I just had to be shot. Either way it's a bad day ,just worse with the 9mm hollow point or .45 hollow point.

as usual he's arguing issues no one disputed in an attempt to avoid getting schooled in an area he lies about and is ignorant about-terminal ballistics and lethality of various rounds. he would have you believe a bb going say 7000 FPS is going to be more lethal than say a billiard ball going 230 FPS because the "energy" of the BB might well be higher. He doesn't understand that something that makes a tiny hole clean through your chest isn't going to cause the trauma that big heavy slow object that transfers its entire amount of energy that it carries to the body of the target.

he has never been able to explain why an AR 15 round is more lethal than the average deer round

 

[Moot]

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what a stupid argument. we have always been able to keep our guns=only recently did the scum in the Democrat party try to disarm honest people

Really, so what laws did they pass and when did the feds knock on your door?

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

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No, TD. The thing to do here is just admit you are wrong and know nothing about calculating kinetic energy, what it really means and how energy (potential and kinetic) is all that matters when it comes to ballistics. But, do continue proving to us how full of **** you are. We could all use a reminder.

Wrong. Your calculations only work with identical projectiles.
Change just the shape of the projectile and now you have another variable that is different that will yield a different result.
Every variable causes a different result. You cannot just go by weight and velocity.
A hardened piece of steel will have a different result than a soft piece of lead striking someone even though the weight and velocity are kept the same.
This should be simple for anyone to comprehend.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Really, so what laws did they pass and when did the feds knock on your door?

banning people from being able to own guns they want to own is form of disarming them. and you are being dishonest if you claim that there aren't democrat politicians who would love to confiscate guns people own if the price they would pay for that wouldn't be too high

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Wrong. Your calculations only work with identical projectiles.
Change just the shape of the projectile and now you have another variable that is different that will yield a different result.
Every variable causes a different result. You cannot just go by weight and velocity.
A hardened piece of steel will have a different result than a soft piece of lead striking someone even though the weight and velocity are kept the same.
This should be simple for anyone to comprehend.

calamity's posts appear to be those of someone who can google stuff but really doesn't understand it.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

Sure you do...you get to keep your guns. Isn't that what you want?

The founders didn't want or provide for the overthrow of their newly created government in the Constitution or BoR. That's just absurd.

I didn't define compromise...the dictionary did.

Ok...your cattle is on public land.

So if you want to feed your cattle and stay in business, then it would behoove you to compromise with the public.

See how that works? lol

still a stupid argument-it ignores other realities

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

The founders didn't want or provide for the overthrow of their newly created government in the Constitution or BoR. That's just absurd.

Our founding fathers used their guns to overthrow the existing government. Clearly they believed in forcibly overthrowing a government. What is absurd is you cannot understand that.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

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calamity's posts appear to be those of someone who can google stuff but really doesn't understand it.

I have shot all kinds of different things with different rounds observing the difference. It is quite clear Calamity has never done this.

 

[Moot]

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banning people from being able to own guns they want to own is form of disarming them. and you are being dishonest if you claim that there aren't democrat politicians who would love to confiscate guns people own if the price they would pay for that wouldn't be too high

Banning all guns is just as extreme as not allowing any gun regulation at all. I'm somewhere in the middle.

If they tried to disarm you while serving in the militia...then you might have a point.

The Democrat leadership (Schumer, Feinstein, Pelosi..) are old, TD....and they don't have as much clout in the party, anymore. So, I don't see the point in getting riled up about what they have to say. It's the MSHS kids and their five million followers you should worry about because they're gunning for your precious NRA.

 

[Moot]

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Our founding fathers used their guns to overthrow the existing government. Clearly they believed in forcibly overthrowing a government. What is absurd is you cannot understand that.

Who said I didn't understand it? Do you think the founders wanted their new Constitutional government forcibly overthrown? The real absurdity is that you probably do.