"assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles [W:598]

[vegas giants]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

This is a thread about Rifles, how has it degenerated into a discussion of pencils and golf balls. -sad

I agree. It’s quite silly

 

[Moot]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

The two sides of the gun debate at the bargaining table.

On one side is the "no military style assault weapons" group.

The other side is the "no gun control" group.

Compromise: limit magazine capacity for semi automatics.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

The two sides of the gun debate at the bargaining table.

On one side is the "no military style assault weapons" group.

The other side is the "no gun control" group.

Compromise: limit magazine capacity for semi automatics.

Compromise: Add box magazine semi-auto rifles to the Federal Firearms Act of 1934.

 

[smallvoice]

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Ok....The GOP will not implement them. Either way they are not working

It appears the Rahm and his ilk are the non-enforcement folks. Wasn't he a big wheel in the Obama Administration? Oh, then there was Eric Holder, who didn't understand the immigration laws he was sworn to prosecute. Not a GOP Fail in the list.

 

[smallvoice]

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People are objects? WOW!

...and you missed the parallel? WOW!

 

[Rucker61]

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Compromise: Add box magazine semi-auto rifles to the Federal Firearms Act of 1934.

None of that is a compromise. It's a clear violation of Miller and Heller, though.

 

[smallvoice]

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AR15 would be a good baseline by which to measure a weapon of mass destruction.

Nah, a Pershing missile with a 2 KT warhead, albeit 'small', would be a WMD, not an AR-15

 

[smallvoice]

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Would you rather liberals say "we don't want to take away your guns" and enact commonsense gun control, or would you rather fascists say "we didn't want to take away your guns, but we had no choice?"

Being sticklers is not helping the situation. We're going to move forward, like it or not. You have an opportunity to be a part of that progress.

What's the difference? Your idea of "Progress" is going to have a lot of 'back pressure'.

 

[zsu2357]

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What does that have to do with assault weapons?

Actually not a lot. Since Chevy's are a real thing and "assault weapon"is a made up term to demonize a type of rifle. Hint they are usually black with a grenade launcher or some such nonsense , or some other nonsensical item.

 

[zsu2357]

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Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
What, exactly, is a standard handgun?

What, exactly, is a standard rifle?

That shouldn't have to be explained.

OH please humor us.

 

[zsu2357]

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AR15 would be a good baseline by which to measure a weapon of mass destruction.

So then [IF] a AR-15 is a weapon of "mass destruction" how about the Mini 14 Ruger Ranch Rifle?

 

[Rucker61]

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So then [IF] a AR-15 is a weapon of "mass destruction" how about the Mini 14 Ruger Ranch Rifle?

Not according to the Democrats.

 

[zsu2357]

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People on here seem to think dangerous objects should not be restricted. Odd

People on here seem to think dangerous objects are guns alone and should be restricted. And we know who we mean. Don't we vg et. al.

 

[zsu2357]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

The two sides of the gun debate at the bargaining table.

On one side is the "no military style assault weapons" group.

The other side is the "no gun control" group.

Compromise: limit magazine capacity for semi automatics.

Will when we shoot all the bullets up they will go away. HMMM heard that somewhere.:wink2:

 

[zsu2357]

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Quote Originally Posted by zsu2357 View Post
So then [IF] a AR-15 is a weapon of "mass destruction" how about the Mini 14 Ruger Ranch Rifle?

Not according to the Democrats.

Wonder how many of those Dems. got one in the closet they've had 30+years?

 

[TurtleDude]

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I'm an engineer dude. The equation in question is 1/2mv**2.

A bullet of equal mass fired at three times higher velocity packs nine times more energy.

movie the goal posts again, when you got busted you now say of equal mass but that is almost never the case. Why do you think a 9mm FMJ (115 grain bullet) going 1150 FPS doesn't have the stopping power of a 230 Grain FMJ 45 going 850 FPS

what has greater stopping power (or lethality) a 62 grain bullet traveling 3400 FPS versus a 300 grain bullet going 1500 FPS?

Well since you clearly know nothing about ballistics, a super fast light bullet usually is going right through someone without transmitting most of the energy to the target. big slow bullet tends to dump most of its energy in the target's body.

 

[zsu2357]

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Quote Originally Posted by zsu2357 View Post
So then [IF] a AR-15 is a weapon of "mass destruction" how about the Mini 14 Ruger Ranch Rifle?

Originally Posted by Rucker61
Not according to the Democrats.

Wonder how many of those Dems. have one in the closet they got 30+ years ago?

 

[TurtleDude]

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He has no clue what he is talking about when it comes to ANYTHING gun related besides what he's heard other like-minded gun banners tell him... I tried going through a basic thought process with him, and it failed miserably as my questions and thought process went ignored... and now he's trying to talk about ammunition with you (who is very well versed in this knowledge) when he has no idea what he is talking about...

when your motivation is a political agenda and your posts are basically designed to bait, I don't expect to get an intelligent counterpoint.

 

[TurtleDude]

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If they have a box magazine, functionally, they are the same. The Clinton era ban of 'assault weapons" proved how futile it is to ban a "name", manufactures restocked the rifles, gave them a different "name" and sold them anyhow.

and banning (whether by an outright ban or a moronic 2500 fee to keep a rifle you may have owned legally for decades) semi auto magazine rifles is clearly going to violate Heller.

 

[zsu2357]

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movie the goal posts again, when you got busted you now say of equal mass but that is almost never the case. Why do you think a 9mm FMJ (115 grain bullet) going 1150 FPS doesn't have the stopping power of a 230 Grain FMJ 45 going 850 FPS

what has greater stopping power (or lethality) a 62 grain bullet traveling 3400 FPS versus a 300 grain bullet going 1500 FPS?

Well since you clearly know nothing about ballistics, a super fast light bullet usually is going right through someone without transmitting most of the energy to the target. big slow bullet tends to dump most of its energy in the target's body.

And I was gonna say MOOT point. Crap 124 gr. 9mm hollow point will mess up your day worse.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: "assault weapon" vs Semi auto rifles

The two sides of the gun debate at the bargaining table.

On one side is the "no military style assault weapons" group.

The other side is the "no gun control" group.

Compromise: limit magazine capacity for semi automatics.

that's moronic. we don't get anything in return for giving it up. I like the founders compromise-

people keep their rights-and if the government tries to take the rights, the people throw out the government

your definition of a compromise is childish

its like saying- I have 100 head of cattle

you have none and you want all my cattle

so the compromise is I give you 50

doesn't work that way.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Compromise: Add box magazine semi-auto rifles to the Federal Firearms Act of 1934.

you have never explained what good that would do and you prove your suggestion is dishonest when you want people to pay 2500 dollars a rifle to merely keep what they own.

 

[TurtleDude]

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So then [IF] a AR-15 is a weapon of "mass destruction" how about the Mini 14 Ruger Ranch Rifle?

when someone calls a semi auto rifle a weapon of mass destruction, you realize you are dealing with an argument that is completely idiotic and not proffered in good faith. Its just pure baiting bovine excrement.

 

[calamity]

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movie the goal posts again, when you got busted you now say of equal mass but that is almost never the case. Why do you think a 9mm FMJ (115 grain bullet) going 1150 FPS doesn't have the stopping power of a 230 Grain FMJ 45 going 850 FPS

what has greater stopping power (or lethality) a 62 grain bullet traveling 3400 FPS versus a 300 grain bullet going 1500 FPS?

in the above example, the 3400fps bullet weighing 62 grain has more energy than the 300 grain bullet traveling 1500 fps.

Proof: 300 grain is only 4.8x more massive than 62 grain. However, since 3400fps is 2.3x faster than 1500fps, the energy increase due to velocity is 5.3x greater (2.3**2). And, I presume you do understand that 5.3 is greater than 4.8. Correct?

Well since you clearly know nothing about ballistics, a super fast light bullet usually is going right through someone without transmitting most of the energy to the target. big slow bullet tends to dump most of its energy in the target's body.

lol...since you obviously know nothing about energy, I'll just ignore your nonsensical statement. But, if you want to learn, read this.

https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

 

[calamity]

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when someone calls a semi auto rifle a weapon of mass destruction, you realize you are dealing with an argument that is completely idiotic and not proffered in good faith. Its just pure baiting bovine excrement.

When someone doesn't understand high school level kinetic energy calculations but claims to be an expert in ballistics, you know they are full of ****.