As usual, Jimmy Carter tells the truth

[Craig234]

Jimmy Carter has spent decades among other things as one of the world's most respected election inspectors, looking for corruption in elections in many countries. Now, he told the truth about our last presidential election, the same thing a top intelligence official said, that the evidence clearly shows trump lost the election, and Russian actions gave the election to trump.

Jimmy Carter says Trump only won the election because Russia '''interfered on his behalf'''


This thread isn't for his cult to parrot the cult dogma lying to protect trump.

Of course they say that.

Truth doesn't matter to them. The nice cocoon and bubble of their cult. If trump did a study and it found the above to be the case and he agreed, they wouldn't care. If it came out tomorrow that trump had hundreds of people killed, it wouldn't matter, as long as they didn't like the victims. They don't value democracy - they're his cult.

 

[Lutherf]

"This thread is only for those who wish to discuss the truth! Suggestions that the truth is inaccurate, incomplete or made up from whole cloth will not be tolerated!"

And you guys are the ones that want to run the government....very, very scary.

 

[Mycroft]

Jimmy Carter has spent decades among other things as one of the world's most respected election inspectors, looking for corruption in elections in many countries. Now, he told the truth about our last presidential election, the same thing a top intelligence official said, that the evidence clearly shows trump lost the election, and Russian actions gave the election to trump.

Jimmy Carter says Trump only won the election because Russia '''interfered on his behalf'''


This thread isn't for his cult to parrot the cult dogma lying to protect trump.

Of course they say that.

Truth doesn't matter to them. The nice cocoon and bubble of their cult. If trump did a study and it found the above to be the case and he agreed, they wouldn't care. If it came out tomorrow that trump had hundreds of people killed, it wouldn't matter, as long as they didn't like the victims. They don't value democracy - they're his cult.

"I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated, would show that Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016," Carter said. "He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf."

In other words..."I don't like that Trump won, but I got nothing."

btw, what the hell was Mueller doing if he wasn't fully investigating Russian interference?

Doesn't Carter have house to build somewhere? A peanut farm to run? He should stick to what he knows best and leave politics to those who know what it's all about.

 

[Craig234]

And you guys are the ones that want to run the government....very, very scary.

Just terrifying. Why, we'd have the horrible governments of FDR, JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama again.

Not the great governments of Eisenhower (hey, let's run anti-democracy tyrannies around the world), Nixon (Vietnam and Watergate), Reagan (government is the enemy, Iran-Contra, skyrocket our debt), George W. Bush (Iran war, corrupt government, skyrocket the debt).

Why, we might have Presidents Hubert Humphrey, Jimmy Carter's second term, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton - all who had the election stolen from the American people by the Republicans.

Oh, the horror of a President Gore, the politician who did the most to get the internet created, who has done the most to educate the public about the climate crisis. We'd sure hate his continuing the Clinton surpluses and Clinton's anti-Al Queda efforts BEFORE 9/11 and much more 'good government', instead of Bush corrupting the government, ending anti-Al Queda efforts making 9/11 easier to happen, starting an illegal war in Iraq, trying to privatize Social Security, etc.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Jimmy Carter has spent decades among other things as one of the world's most respected election inspectors, looking for corruption in elections in many countries. Now, he told the truth about our last presidential election, the same thing a top intelligence official said, that the evidence clearly shows trump lost the election, and Russian actions gave the election to trump.

Jimmy Carter says Trump only won the election because Russia '''interfered on his behalf'''


This thread isn't for his cult to parrot the cult dogma lying to protect trump.

Of course they say that.

Truth doesn't matter to them. The nice cocoon and bubble of their cult. If trump did a study and it found the above to be the case and he agreed, they wouldn't care. If it came out tomorrow that trump had hundreds of people killed, it wouldn't matter, as long as they didn't like the victims. They don't value democracy - they're his cult.

One truth is that I don't use Facebook or Twitter, and my vote wasn't "influenced" one tiny bit by "Russian interference."

Meanwhile from your own citation:

Former President Jimmy Carter suggested Friday that President Donald Trump is an illegitimate president who only won the 2016 election because of Russia's election meddling. "I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated, would show that Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016," Carter said.

Jimmy Carter says Trump only won the election because Russia '''interfered on his behalf'''

God bless his little heart, but again it is only his opinion not a statement of fact.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. IMO his is wrong. :shrug:

 

[Harv]

"This thread is only for those who wish to discuss the truth! Suggestions that the truth is inaccurate, incomplete or made up from whole cloth will not be tolerated!"

And you guys are the ones that want to run the government....very, very scary.

How about, "Stalinesque?"

"Vee have a place een zee gulag for anyvun who dissents."

And these cultists want to run the country? They want to run it, alright.[emoji3517]


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[Chillfolks]

I'm glad after almost three years we finally get a Trump sucks amd his followers suck thread. You're really breaking ground with this. We haven't had enough threads on this topic yet. Way to challenge thought and not use a broad brush approach to people of differing opinions.

 

[Lutherf]

One truth is that I don't use Facebook or Twitter, and my vote wasn't "influenced" one tiny bit by "Russian interference."

Meanwhile from your own citation:

Jimmy Carter says Trump only won the election because Russia '''interfered on his behalf'''

God bless his little heart, but again it is only his opinion not a statement of fact.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. IMO his is wrong. :shrug:

You're talking to a Progressive. With that ideology things like "truth" and "fact" are wholly dependent on the individual expressing the comment under consideration and the public sentiment surrounding the comment. It's a totally democratic definition of "truth" wherin if a majority of those polled vote that it's true then it is definitely true.

 

[Craig234]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. IMO his is wrong. :shrug:

Everyone has the right to an opinion, but they're not equally credible.

Carter's is very well-informed, yours is the opinion of an uninformed cultist based on nothing but political hackery.

James Clapper's is also well-informed, when he said: "But now I’m speaking as a private citizen, having left government service and knowing what I know about what the Russians did, how massive the operation was, how diverse it was, and how many millions of American voters it touched. When you consider that the election turned on 80,000 votes or less in three key states, it stretches credulity to conclude that Russian activity didn’t swing voter decisions, and therefore swing the election."

I already addressed the uninformed comments like yours in the OP.

 

[WillyPete]

Jimmy Carter has spent decades among other things as one of the world's most respected election inspectors, looking for corruption in elections in many countries. Now, he told the truth about our last presidential election, the same thing a top intelligence official said, that the evidence clearly shows trump lost the election, and Russian actions gave the election to trump.

Jimmy Carter says Trump only won the election because Russia '''interfered on his behalf'''


This thread isn't for his cult to parrot the cult dogma lying to protect trump.

Of course they say that.

Truth doesn't matter to them. The nice cocoon and bubble of their cult. If trump did a study and it found the above to be the case and he agreed, they wouldn't care. If it came out tomorrow that trump had hundreds of people killed, it wouldn't matter, as long as they didn't like the victims. They don't value democracy - they're his cult.

Even if you and Jimmy were 100% correct, it simply doesn't matter, and hasn't for a while now.

There is no mechanism outside impeachment to unwind the election, and there's no feasible scenario where an impeachment ends with Trump removed from office, at least with the information we know today. And it's not like people haven't been digging.

I'd suggest you focus that energy somewhere useful, rather than bedazzling an asterisk in the history books.

 

[Craig234]

I'm glad after almost three years we finally get a Trump sucks amd his followers suck thread. You're really breaking ground with this. We haven't had enough threads on this topic yet. Way to challenge thought and not use a broad brush approach to people of differing opinions.

As long as trump is in office and there are people who are misinformed about basic facts like Russia stealing the election, we need more threads telling the truth, until the cult stops lying. It's like Holocaust deniers - it's not news the Holocaust happened, but when much of the country denies it, it needs repeating.

 

[cabse5]

Jimmy Carter has spent decades among other things as one of the world's most respected election inspectors, looking for corruption in elections in many countries. Now, he told the truth about our last presidential election, the same thing a top intelligence official said, that the evidence clearly shows trump lost the election, and Russian actions gave the election to trump.

Jimmy Carter says Trump only won the election because Russia '''interfered on his behalf'''


This thread isn't for his cult to parrot the cult dogma lying to protect trump.

Of course they say that.

Truth doesn't matter to them. The nice cocoon and bubble of their cult. If trump did a study and it found the above to be the case and he agreed, they wouldn't care. If it came out tomorrow that trump had hundreds of people killed, it wouldn't matter, as long as they didn't like the victims. They don't value democracy - they're his cult.

Jimmy Carter left out the main interferer to the 2016. The MSM. Trump won despite the interference of the MSM.

 

[Craig234]

Even if you and Jimmy were 100% correct, it simply doesn't matter, and hasn't for a while now.

There is no mechanism outside impeachment to unwind the election, and there's no feasible scenario where an impeachment ends with Trump removed from office, at least with the information we know today. And it's not like people haven't been digging.

I'd suggest you focus that energy somewhere useful, rather than bedazzling an asterisk in the history books.

As I said in the OP, "If trump did a study and it found the above to be the case and he agreed, they wouldn't care."

So, you are simply confirming what I said. You might not care about the presidency being stolen. I do. You might be happy to accept that the Republicans in Congress won't enforce the law to seize power; I'm not. I suggest you focus your energy somewhere other than this thread.

 

[Evilroddy]

Craig234:

Why obsess over the errors of the past, rather than correcting them next year? However it happened, Mr. Trump is America's president now but does not have to be in the future. If you think it's wrong that he is in office, persuade as many voters as you can to throw him out in 2020.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.

 

[X Factor]

Jimmy Carter has spent decades among other things as one of the world's most respected election inspectors, looking for corruption in elections in many countries. Now, he told the truth about our last presidential election, the same thing a top intelligence official said, that the evidence clearly shows trump lost the election, and Russian actions gave the election to trump.

Jimmy Carter says Trump only won the election because Russia '''interfered on his behalf'''


This thread isn't for his cult to parrot the cult dogma lying to protect trump.

Of course they say that.

Truth doesn't matter to them. The nice cocoon and bubble of their cult. If trump did a study and it found the above to be the case and he agreed, they wouldn't care. If it came out tomorrow that trump had hundreds of people killed, it wouldn't matter, as long as they didn't like the victims. They don't value democracy - they're his cult.

I see your Carter and raise you an Obama

Obama echoed those sentiments Tuesday, saying there's "no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America's elections."

Who knew Obama was a Tump cultist? :lol:

 

[Craig234]

You're talking to a Progressive. With that ideology things like "truth" and "fact" are wholly dependent on the individual expressing the comment under consideration and the public sentiment surrounding the comment.

Irony of the day award, and nominee for irony of the week.

 

[Lutherf]

Just terrifying. Why, we'd have the horrible governments of FDR, JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama again.

Not the great governments of Eisenhower (hey, let's run anti-democracy tyrannies around the world), Nixon (Vietnam and Watergate), Reagan (government is the enemy, Iran-Contra, skyrocket our debt), George W. Bush (Iran war, corrupt government, skyrocket the debt).

Why, we might have Presidents Hubert Humphrey, Jimmy Carter's second term, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton - all who had the election stolen from the American people by the Republicans.

Oh, the horror of a President Gore, the politician who did the most to get the internet created, who has done the most to educate the public about the climate crisis. We'd sure hate his continuing the Clinton surpluses and Clinton's anti-Al Queda efforts BEFORE 9/11 and much more 'good government', instead of Bush corrupting the government, ending anti-Al Queda efforts making 9/11 easier to happen, starting an illegal war in Iraq, trying to privatize Social Security, etc.

Nixon got us into Vietnam? Kennedy never had anything to do with the Bay of Pigs? FDR didn't preside over 12 years of failed economic policy that didn't see unemployment under 15% until WWII?

 

[WillyPete]

As I said in the OP, "If trump did a study and it found the above to be the case and he agreed, they wouldn't care."

So, you are simply confirming what I said. You might not care about the presidency being stolen. I do. You might be happy to accept that the Republicans in Congress won't enforce the law to seize power; I'm not. I suggest you focus your energy somewhere other than this thread.

All that anger, and all you're doing is stomping your feet.

You'd rather make an enemy of an ally than do something useful.

 

[Craig234]

Why obsess over the errors of the past, rather than correcting them next year? However it happened, Mr. Trump is America's president now but does not have to be in the future. If you think it's wrong that he is in office, persuade as many voters as you can to throw him out in 2020.

Interesting word 'obsess' for not wanting our presidency to be stolen by our enemy. We're both telling the truth about that AND trying to defeat trump in 2020.

 

[Craig234]

All that anger, and all you're doing is stomping your feet.

No, I'm correcting a lie some believe about the election. All you're doing it stomping your feet. I'd suggest you focus your energy somewhere other than this thread.

 

[Rogue Valley]

There was a very good reason why Trump Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney told former DHS Director Kirstjen Nielson not to ever mention Russian election meddling in Trump's presence.

In essence, Jimmy Carter is right and Trump knows the Russian meddling issue raises legitimate questions about his election victory.

I don't think 94 year old Jimmy C. cares one iota about rousing Trumps ire.

 

[marke]

Jimmy Carter has spent decades among other things as one of the world's most respected election inspectors, looking for corruption in elections in many countries. Now, he told the truth about our last presidential election, the same thing a top intelligence official said, that the evidence clearly shows trump lost the election, and Russian actions gave the election to trump.

Jimmy Carter says Trump only won the election because Russia '''interfered on his behalf'''


This thread isn't for his cult to parrot the cult dogma lying to protect trump.

Of course they say that.

Truth doesn't matter to them. The nice cocoon and bubble of their cult. If trump did a study and it found the above to be the case and he agreed, they wouldn't care. If it came out tomorrow that trump had hundreds of people killed, it wouldn't matter, as long as they didn't like the victims. They don't value democracy - they're his cult.

Carter is parroting the lying democrat lie that Russians gave Trump the election. At least he admits the investigation has offered no real proof or irrefutable details. The lie is based upon repetition of the unsupported story first spun by hirelings in the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Ironically, Carter is one guy who has admitted in the past that there is significant voter fraud taking place in American elections.

 

[WillyPete]

No, I'm correcting a lie some believe about the election. All you're doing it stomping your feet. I'd suggest you focus your energy somewhere other than this thread.

You surely have an angry way of being agreeable.

Neither you nor Carter can substantiate your claim, and the limitations I mentioned earlier still would apply if you could.

It's just baffling to me, but I don't have a bunch of excess energy these days, either. By all means get it out before 2020.

We're stuck with each other, and we need you to try super hard to make 2020 about the next President and not about Trump.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

They don't value democracy - they're his cult.

One of Trump's top picks for Treasury was Stephen Moore:

"Capitalism is a lot more important than democracy. I'm not even a big believer in democracy. I always say that democracy can be two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner."

Why are Republicans always assassinating democracy by making phony references to a single stab at Athenian democracy 2500 years ago, an experiment in pure direct democracy which was the very thing which illuminated the stark need for democratic election of representatives? We don't use Athenian direct democracy and no other nation has ever used it.
Why do Republicans ignore the fact that representative democracy is enshrined in the Constitution in its blueprint for the electoral process itself?

We KNOW WHY.

 

[Evilroddy]

Interesting word 'obsess' for not wanting our presidency to be stolen by our enemy. We're both telling the truth about that AND trying to defeat trump in 2020.

Craig234:

Mr. Trump won the election. Russia's meddling was marginal and in my opinion did not swing the vote. The leaked e-mails were written by Americans, not GRU agents so responsibility rests with those who wrote them. Clinton was an appalingly bad candidate and she and her supporters snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by hijacking the Democratic Party presidential candidate nomination process and depriving other candidates who,might have won from running. Russia meddled, yes. Russia is also an excuse for shifting the blame from Democratic Party Tweedism and ineptness. That's the view from outside the fishbowl.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.