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Articles of Impeachment are on the Horizon

Checkerboard Strangler said:
The rest of the world's leaders and most of our intel and military establishment don't share your bemusement.
Most of them are pretty well convinced that Trump is a loose cannon, a broken arrow waiting to go kaboom, a rogue leader.

BATSH*T CRAZY.
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he is a loose cannon but he cant just nuke someone dude. Calm down the fear mongering.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
More retreading of the tired, debunked and largely ineffective "both parties are the same" nonsense.
Wow, the number of privileged people on this forum is mind boggling.
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I didnt even come close to saying that. Say, did you happen to read what i wrote?
 
TNHarley said:
I didnt even come close to saying that. Say, did you happen to read what i wrote?
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Yeah, especially the part about how I am an idiot to support either one of those loony collectives.
And how the Democrats have cooties, too.
Ummmmm, that's "both parties are equally bad" nonsense.

1. Disaster relief. When disaster strikes in the U.S., Democrats send help right away, no matter what. Republicans only extend disaster relief to those living in their strongholds, as victims of Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Sandy, Hurricane Maria, and the wildfires raging in California are learning the hard way.

2. Tax “reform.” The Democratic and Republican parties also differ on taxes. The GOP wants to cut taxes for the rich even though it comes out of the hides of Americans who already struggle to pay the bills. Democrats expect wealthy people who’ve done very well by our system — and whose earnings often come from investments, stocks, real estate, and other sources of passive income — to pay their fair share like everyone else. Republicans, on the other hand, want to hand them more tax breaks at the expense of things our country and our people actually need.

3. Healthcare. Democrats want more of us to have access to healthcare and want good health insurance plans we can all afford. The Republican Party wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and supports Donald Trump ending the subsidies that help millions of us afford our premiums. Some Republicans claim they want to fix all the things that are “wrong” with Obamacare. But the main thing people dislike about the ACA is that their health plans are too expensive. Only reigning in our for-profit healthcare industry or funding more cost-sharing subsidies would make plans more affordable for the middle-class families who get little or no help with their premiums. But the GOP won’t do either of those things. If you believe healthcare’s a human right (or at least your right), then the GOP’s not for you.

Yeah, now you're in denial about what you said but I am going to take you to task for it.
 
4. The minimum wage. For most U.S. workers, wages have barely budged in decades, while the cost of housing, healthcare, and other necessities have gone through the roof. Yet Republicans refuse to raise the minimum wage. Some don’t even believe we should have any minimum wage at all. Now GOP state lawmakers are even blocking cities across the country from raising their wages, as furious St. Louis residents have learned the hard way.
As the group Fight for $15 told CNN, “Hurting people who have it the hardest isn’t just bad governing, it’s pathological.” Apparently, “states rights” are all about allowing states’ ruling elites to screw their own citizens, not local autonomy. As for Democrats, some support a $12 an hour minimum wage and others think it should be $15 an hour…But at least they agree America deserves a raise.

5. Our social safety net. Both the Democratic and Republican parties want people to work instead of getting help from the government. But Democrats seem to have a better grip on the fact that we need a certain level of help and public services — like food, housing, healthcare, childcare, education, job training — in order for us to gain job skills and be healthy and productive. A good way to keep people off of welfare would be to raise the minimum wage, but Republicans refuse to do that either.

6. Voting rights. The right to vote is a cornerstone of our Democracy. Yet another huge difference between the Democratic and Republican parties is their stance on voting rights. U.S. Supreme Court justices who were appointed by GOP presidents allowed corporations unlimited “free speech” via campaign cash in their Citizens United decision. GOP-appointed judges also ignored countless irregularities in Florida’s election, overrode the popular vote, and put George W. Bush in the White House. They’re also the ones we have to thank for gutting the Voting Rights Act. And then there’s the flurry of voter ID laws passing in GOP-run states that serve no purpose other than making it harder for low-income people to vote. Wisconsin’s voter ID laws kept nearly 17,000 people from casting their ballots in Dane and Milwaukee County alone, and Donald Trump only “won” by 22,749 votes.
 
Superfly said:
Well, I guess because you think it's ridiculous, then you're right.

Forgive me. I only saw Trump say in an interview with Chris Matthews, "Why have nukes if we don't use them?" and would not even say he wouldn't be open to nuking Europe.

But because you say it's ridiculous --

Carry on.

Donald Trump's nuclear fixation - from the 1980s to now - BBC News
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No need to be like that. I just simply think its ridiculous. That doesnt include the fact that that cant even happen lol.
 
Gaius46 said:
What makes you think that the "Republicans will have no choice" ? They don't have to do anything. Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one, nor does precedent apply. If the politicians decide that lying under oath isn't impeachable then it isn't.
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Lying under oath, even that constituting obstruction of justice, is not sufficient to remove a President from office as was the case when the House impeached but the Senate refused to convict and remove Bill Clinton from office. He still suffered heavy consequences: contempt of federal court, loss of ability to argue before the Supreme Court, temporary disbarment by the Arkansas Bar etc. But his crime was judged not to rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors necessary to remove a President from office.

And since the Democrats have set that standard, they are pretty well screwed in getting Trump out of office even if he was tripped up in a deposition in a lawsuit brought in a sex matter.

But the TDS remains strong doesn't it.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Yeah, especially the part about how I am an idiot to support either one of those loony collectives.
And how the Democrats have cooties, too.
Ummmmm, that's "both parties are equally bad" nonsense.

1. Disaster relief. When disaster strikes in the U.S., Democrats send help right away, no matter what. Republicans only extend disaster relief to those living in their strongholds, as victims of Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Sandy, Hurricane Maria, and the wildfires raging in California are learning the hard way.

2. Tax “reform.” The Democratic and Republican parties also differ on taxes. The GOP wants to cut taxes for the rich even though it comes out of the hides of Americans who already struggle to pay the bills. Democrats expect wealthy people who’ve done very well by our system — and whose earnings often come from investments, stocks, real estate, and other sources of passive income — to pay their fair share like everyone else. Republicans, on the other hand, want to hand them more tax breaks at the expense of things our country and our people actually need.

3. Healthcare. Democrats want more of us to have access to healthcare and want good health insurance plans we can all afford. The Republican Party wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act (ACA) and supports Donald Trump ending the subsidies that help millions of us afford our premiums. Some Republicans claim they want to fix all the things that are “wrong” with Obamacare. But the main thing people dislike about the ACA is that their health plans are too expensive. Only reigning in our for-profit healthcare industry or funding more cost-sharing subsidies would make plans more affordable for the middle-class families who get little or no help with their premiums. But the GOP won’t do either of those things. If you believe healthcare’s a human right (or at least your right), then the GOP’s not for you.

Yeah, now you're in denial about what you said but I am going to take you to task for it.
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LOL oh wow. You are obviously a loon. Have a wonderful afternoon!
 
TNHarley said:
IDK but many people have said we wont ever come together unless something bad happens. I cant help but agree at this point..
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So let's watch Trump manufacture something?
Good God, enough already.
Tell you what, enabling the Klan and the white nationalists isn't doing much to "bring America together".
Where do you stand on that crap?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Lying under oath, even that constituting obstruction of justice, is not sufficient to remove a President from office as was the case when the House impeached but the Senate refused to convict and remove Bill Clinton from office. He still suffered heavy consequences: contempt of federal court, loss of ability to argue before the Supreme Court, temporary disbarment by the Arkansas Bar etc. But his crime was judged not to rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors necessary to remove a President from office.

And since the Democrats have set that standard, they are pretty well screwed in getting Trump out of office even if he was tripped up in a deposition in a lawsuit brought in a sex matter.
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Uh, it was R's who impeached Clinton. So, it should be R's who impeach Trump. You know, for consistency.

Not that I expect anything but hypocrisy from the Right. But, it really is funny to see them bend over backwards to defend the new Adulterer in Chief. :lol:
 
TNHarley said:
No need to be like that. I just simply think its ridiculous. That doesnt include the fact that that cant even happen lol.
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No need to be like that? :lol: You've been here what, 5 minutes? You've already called Checkerboard Strangler an idiot (which is against the rules, btw) and called my position ridiculous. If you have some insider information that everybody else in the world doesn't know about, then please. Inform us. We'd love to know how you are so certain that Trump can't use nukes, because if you bothered to read the link I provided, he sure seems to have a hard-on for it.
 
TOHWS said:
All we need is Trump to lie under oath in this lawsuit filed by porn star Stormy Daniels and the republicans will have no other options but to do it since they did it with glee to Bill Clinton.

Should he find the courage and admit to the affair, Melania will then divorce him and take half his $$$. I think she would prefer the money over being FLOTUS. Anyway, he probably would resign rather than be in public domestic fight with a future ex-wife and more damaging stories come out!

Either way, the American people win!


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Because it worked that way for the Clinton's, right?
 
AlbqOwl said:
Lying under oath, even that constituting obstruction of justice, is not sufficient to remove a President from office as was the case when the House impeached but the Senate refused to convict and remove Bill Clinton from office. He still suffered heavy consequences: contempt of federal court, loss of ability to argue before the Supreme Court, temporary disbarment by the Arkansas Bar etc. But his crime was judged not to rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors necessary to remove a President from office.

And since the Democrats have set that standard, they are pretty well screwed in getting Trump out of office even if he was tripped up in a deposition in a lawsuit brought in a sex matter.

But the TDS remains strong doesn't it.
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Your false comparisons continue to amaze.........consensual oral/other sex on one side and consensual sex with a confidentiality agreement paid by questionable sources on the other. Sorta like comparing 14 months with 5 years. May I recommend another member of the aviary for your avatar? This one desires crackers.......



Your blind defence remains strong.......
 
TNHarley said:
No need to be like that. I just simply think its ridiculous. That doesnt include the fact that that cant even happen lol.
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Now you're getting squirrelly, we've seen plenty of that here on DP, too.
It's okay, one of us will either pin you down or you'll take your toys, call us names and go home.
Oh wait, you already did the second one.
I'm having a great afternoon already, how about you?
 
Superfly said:
No need to be like that? :lol: You've been here what, 5 minutes? You've already called Checkerboard Strangler an idiot (which is against the rules, btw) and called my position ridiculous. If you have some insider information that everybody else in the world doesn't know about, then please. Inform us. We'd love to know how you are so certain that Trump can't use nukes, because if you bothered to read the link I provided, he sure seems to have a hard-on for it.
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That's okay, I AM an idiot but only Karen gets away with calling me that, and it's usually after I make her laugh.

DalKaren.webp
 
AlbqOwl said:
Lying under oath, even that constituting obstruction of justice, is not sufficient to remove a President from office as was the case when the House impeached but the Senate refused to convict and remove Bill Clinton from office. He still suffered heavy consequences: contempt of federal court, loss of ability to argue before the Supreme Court, temporary disbarment by the Arkansas Bar etc. But his crime was judged not to rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors necessary to remove a President from office.

And since the Democrats have set that standard, they are pretty well screwed in getting Trump out of office even if he was tripped up in a deposition in a lawsuit brought in a sex matter.

But the TDS remains strong doesn't it.
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The only thing I'd point out is that lying under oath, or any other offense, may be deemed impeachable by one Congress an not by another. There is no standard except the one that the Congress currently in session chooses to apply. Past performance is no indicator in this case. Congress could very well choose to impeach and convict this President for doing the exact same think Clinton did. That's their right and their decision is not subject to review by anyone.

Though that said I agree. It ain't happening.
 
It won't happen without a bi-partisan effort.

Just sayin'.

Did the crime o him in,or was it the attempted cover-up?
 
Superfly said:
No need to be like that? :lol: You've been here what, 5 minutes? You've already called Checkerboard Strangler an idiot (which is against the rules, btw) and called my position ridiculous. If you have some insider information that everybody else in the world doesn't know about, then please. Inform us. We'd love to know how you are so certain that Trump can't use nukes, because if you bothered to read the link I provided, he sure seems to have a hard-on for it.
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I didnt call him an idiot. I said the duopoly supporters are idiots.
Are you people even reading what i am writing? lol
It is ridiculous because it cant even HAPPEN like that to begin with. There is a process. He doesnt just hit a button and a nuke launches from a submarine.
If its from a sub, the order must be authenticated by 4 people. If its from land, it must then be voted on by ICBM crews. If im not mistaken, there must also be meetings and shut to discuss operations and fallout.
Besides the actual process, i would think if it wasnt warranted, the people would just resign. Unless they are nut jobs. lol
 
TNHarley said:
I didnt call him an idiot. I said the duopoly supporters are idiots.
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And when I started listing the ways that it's NOT a duopoly, you remarked that I was a LOON, without even READING OR ADDRESSING any of the points I made.
You just "saw some big college words" and blanched?
And your knee jerk reflex is to say I am a LOON? Why? Because I have answers?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
And when I started listing the ways that it's NOT a duopoly, you remarked that I was a LOON, without even READING OR ADDRESSING any of the points I made.
You just "saw some big college words" and blanched?
And your knee jerk reflex is to say I am a LOON? Why? Because I have answers?
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Lol, perhaps you dont understand what a duopoly is. It is simply when 2 orgs dominate a market. In the case of politics, it would be the dem and rep parties.
I called you that because you are arguing with yourself.
 
TNHarley said:
I didnt call him an idiot. I said the duopoly supporters are idiots.
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Um, yes you did.

TNHarley said:
LOL hell no. I dont want dems in office any more than i do repubs.
You are an idiot to support either one of those loony collectives
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As you were speaking to CS, you said that he was an idiot to vote either D or R.

Are you people even reading what i am writing? lol
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The question is -- are you?

It is ridiculous because it cant even HAPPEN like that to begin with. There is a process. He doesnt just hit a button and a nuke launches from a submarine.
If its from a sub, the order must be authenticated by 4 people. If its from land, it must then be voted on by ICBM crews. If im not mistaken, there must also be meetings and shut to discuss operations and fallout.
Besides the actual process, i would think if it wasnt warranted, the people would just resign. Unless they are nut jobs. lol
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And there are no nut jobs whatsoever in the Trump Administration. Nobody at all would follow him down that rabbit hole.

:roll:
 
TOHWS said:
All we need is Trump to lie under oath in this lawsuit filed by porn star Stormy Daniels and the republicans will have no other options but to do it since they did it with glee to Bill Clinton.

Should he find the courage and admit to the affair, Melania will then divorce him and take half his $$$. I think she would prefer the money over being FLOTUS. Anyway, he probably would resign rather than be in public domestic fight with a future ex-wife and more damaging stories come out!

Either way, the American people win!


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First, no Hillary Clinton as president. Second, Trump out as president. Third Pence in as president. Yep, the American people win big time. You would never be able to understand my disdain and disgust with even the thought of a Hillary Clinton or a Donald Trump as President. Now, Pence, Yes!
 
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