Argue the other side.

[OlNate]

I will take the extreme pro gun side:


I believe all gun laws should be abolished. My right to own guns over rides your love of your children and family. I don't care if every child in America dies of gun violence as long as I can have my guns. Everyone should be able to shoot it out wherever they want. Freedom baby

How you fail so hard and so often is beyond me. No one says this. Way to prove the point of the thread, though. If it was gonna be anyone, it was gonna be you.

 

[vegas giants]

How you fail so hard and so often is beyond me. No one says this. Way to prove the point of the thread, though. If it was gonna be anyone, it was gonna be you.

As usual.....you have nothing to add to this thread

 

[vegas giants]

And that's what we've got.

Yeah we need more on the gun control side. Duh

 

[OlNate]

As usual.....you have nothing to add to this thread

Not for you. But for everyone else, we now have a clear example of why the extreme anti gun side is just a bunch of useless noise. A thread is created to try to get folks to see things from the other side...and surprise, surprise, look who the troll is. Good for you, you just doubled the number of lives you have saved! (0 x 2 = 0)

In before flibbity bibbity! :lol:

 

[vegas giants]

Not for you. But for everyone else, we now have a clear example of why the extreme anti gun side is just a bunch of useless noise. A thread is created to try to get folks to see things from the other side...and surprise, surprise, look who the troll is. Good for you, you just doubled the number of lives you have saved! (0 x 2 = 0)

In before flibbity bibbity! :lol:

Again.....you add nothing and everyone can see that

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Hello �� Checkerbro. When they say the two choices are pro gun control versus pro 2nd Amendment, such a dishonest characterization, they’ve already dismissed themselves as quality posters with good form.

This is just one of so many Nixon/Atwater/Cantor false narratives from the GOP that left Eisenhower, T. Roosevelt and Lincoln.

As I’ve mentioned here before — GAGGED — God — Abortion — Gays (LGBT ��️*�� ) — Guns �� — Environmental Degradation

We're supposed to continually seek common ground and work toward goals that help the largest number of Americans, not generate cannon fodder for trolls to use out on the street. I don't know about everyone else but the "snowflake" and "soy boy" nonsense isn't gaining traction, nor is the "walkaway" fairy tale. Americans don't hate conservatives, they're just tired of people who think that conservatism consists of "punking liberals" at any expense.

Re guns: We know the absolutist position, it's no different than fundamentalism in religion. You cannot negotiate with either groups. I have evolved in my own liberal positions, and now understand that we need to look at people, not a particular type of firearm. But even doing that sets off the absolutists, who won't even budge on ideas like enhanced no gun lists, which do not hurt law abiding gun owners. Absolutists will only accept a 100% deregulated environment. There is no such thing as "100 percent anything" in society. It's unsustainable.

Since I myself own guns, it would be foolhardy for me to support ideas which would threaten my ability to own firearms, so naturally I want to work for ideas which promote smart and responsible gun ownership.
There is no question that, in my lifetime, the concept of what defines a gun itself will radically change just as surely as what defines a car is changing right now. Twenty years from now we may be wondering why anyone would bother with outmoded ideas like "bullets".
Stranger still, absolutists apparently fail to recognize the fact that some of the biggest changes to personal firearm technology might come from outside of the United States, changes which may drastically affect where most firearms are made.
I'm old enough that I remember when people chuckled at Japanese TV sets and cars.

Forest - - - - trees

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

reverse position

1) being a big government worshipper, I believe the government should have a monopoly on force and thus support a gun ban

2) those who legally own guns work against increased collectivism. Trying to ban guns keeps them fighting for turf they have already won and prevents them from rolling back other big government programs or opposing newly proposed big government programs

3) banning guns will make honest citizens fearful due to a real or perceived inability to defend against violent criminal attacks. Fearful people are easier to convince to give up their rights in favor of increased government safety and control

4) Criminals are victims of an unjust society. Its not right that citizens have the power to wound or kill people who cannot help the fact that economic and social injustice caused them to be criminals

5) gun control allows the politicians I favor to convince many voters that these politicians are trying to stop gun violence without actually harming criminals or increasing our costs of incarcerating criminals

6) those who own guns -especially for hunting or self defense-are culturally deficient and need to be punished for the anti-social views and life styles

You have a lot of work to do, TD.

 

[OlNate]

Again.....you add nothing and everyone can see that

Meh...I disagree. You're the poster boy for how not to have a gun control conversation. That's useful knowledge to have pointed out for anyone actually interested in doing something that will work to help protect against gun deaths.

I will give you a little more credit than you give me, though...you definitely add something to the conversation - you prove my point with every rebuttal. So please, carry on, I love when you prove me right.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I will take the extreme pro gun side:


I believe all gun laws should be abolished. My right to own guns over rides your love of your children and family. I don't care if every child in America dies of gun violence as long as I can have my guns. Everyone should be able to shoot it out wherever they want. Freedom baby

If you cannot argue the other side, you have no right to your position.

Again.....you add nothing and everyone can see that

Speak for yourself, I too see your failure here.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

We could seize all the guns in circulation and throw them in the blast furnace, problem solved. That's me taking the pro gun control side.

Liberal here...(in case you didn't already know)
The funny* thing is, that sounds almost exactly like some of my "MORE LIBERAL" friends.
I have given a lot of migraines to these friends by simply putting down my coffee cup (which has NO SOY in it, by the way) and asking them how much that would cost.

(*not funny HA-HA - - funny as in "unbelievable")

"How much would what cost?"

"Seizing all guns in circulation and destroying them...how much do you think it would cost us to track down every single gun, seize them all and destroy all of them?"

When they begin to stammer or struggle, I just tell them something along the lines of, "Take the war on drugs, double the cost of it and cut the results in half. And that's the absolute BEST case scenario. And now imagine the kind of police state we would have to have in order to maintain our war on guns."
(Actually it would probably be TRIPLE the cost and one-third the results - - again best case scenario - - and don't forget the "police state")

We need to start approaching the gun issue with the expectation of actually finding common ground.

 

[ttwtt78640]

How you fail so hard and so often is beyond me. No one says this. Way to prove the point of the thread, though. If it was gonna be anyone, it was gonna be you.

Yep, when asked to provide examples to back up those moronic assertions he is instantly exposed as a liar yet does not care.

 

[OlNate]

Yep, when asked to provide examples to back up those moronic assertions he is instantly exposed as a liar yet does not care.

Yes... I think there are people so polarized on both sides of the debate (just like every other debate) that they are not only completely useless, in terms of being able to work toward real solutions, but they actually sabotage the issue so that they get to rant and rave and appear important a little longer. I would suggest that when one abandons reasonable dialogue in favor of demonization and slander and exaggeration, they are less about the issue they claim to care about, and are more about attention whoring. :shrug:

 

[vegas giants]

Yep, when asked to provide examples to back up those moronic assertions he is instantly exposed as a liar yet does not care.

Your post is factually incorrect

 

[vegas giants]

Meh...I disagree. You're the poster boy for how not to have a gun control conversation. That's useful knowledge to have pointed out for anyone actually interested in doing something that will work to help protect against gun deaths.

I will give you a little more credit than you give me, though...you definitely add something to the conversation - you prove my point with every rebuttal. So please, carry on, I love when you prove me right.

Again....this is not about you and me. I am flattered with your stalking but try to stick to the debate about the issues. No one cares about this personal little battle you have engaged in

 

[vegas giants]

If you cannot argue the other side, you have no right to your position.





Speak for yourself, I too see your failure here.

I did argue the other side on the very first page of this thread quite clearly.

 

[OlNate]

Again....this is not about you and me. I am flattered with your stalking but try to stick to the debate about the issues. No one cares about this personal little battle you have engaged in

Just answering your responses, bud...and trying to make something useful out of all the drivel you post. Sometimes an example of how NOT to do something is more useful than telling someone how TO do something.

As usual, you misunderstand my intentions. I'm not battling you...I'm adding value to your posts. You should be thanking me...

 

[vegas giants]

Just answering your responses, bud...and trying to make something useful out of all the drivel you post. Sometimes an example of how NOT to do something is more useful than telling someone how TO do something.

As usual, you misunderstand my intentions. I'm not battling you...I'm adding value to your posts. You should be thanking me...

More posts about me. Try reading the OP and responding to it.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yeah we need more on the gun control side. Duh

Except there is no controlling the existence of 320 million objects already in private hands.
The FCC was unable to control the existence of 23 million CB radios in private hands.
They finally threw up their hands and abolished the license requirement.

 

[vegas giants]

Except there is no controlling the existence of 320 million objects already in private hands.
The FCC was unable to control the existence of 23 million CB radios in private hands.
They finally threw up their hands and abolished the license requirement.

A lot can be done. Not a perfect system....just a better one. I am not an extremist who wants to ban guns

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

As a faux gun control proponent...

I start with recognizing the Constitution as the supreme law of the land> Therefore...while I may WANT to see restrictions, I will defer to the founding document. That being said...

I do believe that people proven to be a danger to themselves or others and those that have shown tendency to commit violent acts should if not forfiet their rights to keep and bear arms, should be required to petition for the return of those rights and demonstrate that there is a reasonable expectation that they can be trusted.

I believe gun laws should be enforced.

I would see laws requiring gun owners be responsible with their firearms...especially in homes with children or adolescents with demonstrated mental health/behavioral health concerns. There should be a standard of reasonable care established.

Not sure if this is meeting the OP challenge..because I pretty much feel this way as a pro-gun proponent. I cant argue AGAINST gun ownership even if I wanted to because you cant ignore the Constitution.

Vance, that's awfully close to MY position as a liberal gun owner.
Good work. :applaud

 

[OlNate]

More posts about me. Try reading the OP and responding to it.

But, in a way the thread is about you. And people like you. Who cannot see past their own hackery to try to actually do something real about your gun death problem. We are right on topic, bud. Great news!

 

[TheRepublican]

I think what gun control has run the course and, we have to step back and, look at the big picture. The way that you can have firm gun control is if you implement something and, uphold it. Go check out the Brady bill and, see why it stopped probably Bush was the president at the time? gun control works to a degree if you actually get it renew

 

[VanceMack]

Vance, that's awfully close to MY position as a liberal gun owner.
Good work. :applaud

Ive always said...MOST liberals I know (and shoot with) that are gun owners are NOT the enemy. There ARE committed anti-gun leftists...but there is no need to vilify everyone that 'aint you'.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Ive always said...MOST liberals I know (and shoot with) that are gun owners are NOT the enemy. There ARE committed anti-gun leftists...but there is no need to vilify everyone that 'aint you'.

Well I'll be damned.

 

[Rucker61]

Well I'll be damned.

I'd be considered a liberal by some on this board - I'm pro-women's rights, pro-gay marriage and I've never voted for anyone but a Democrat for president.