Are you as sick of the NFL National Anthem controversy?

[X Factor]

I'm certainly tired of the usual suspects telling grown men what they can and can't do because they feel victimized by having to see it. Any of you that think they shouldn't do what they are doing, man up get your ass in shape and go get that NFL contract. Show them how a football player should act, not tell them. Bunch of fat old assholes crying because they don't get everything they want.

Much easier to shut the games off instead. Your post does reflect this odd sort of resentment some seem to have toward others that decide to not support the NFL if this is what the NFL is going to be about. Why is the notion not watching the games so off so bothersome?

 

[Kobie]

The sense of entitlement of the "NFL players need to shut up and entertain me" crowd is astounding.

 

[ecofarm]

The whole point of kneeling during the anthem is to protest this terrible racist country. The talking heads on ESPN are saying it's about "social justice". If the NFL is doing ads that say it's not about disrespecting the country, that's almost worse because it means they recognize how this looks but are allowing it and supporting it anyway.

Social activism is a result of the ideals of the Enlightenment and Constitution, as is social justice. I don't know why that upsets you. There's nothing anti American about the demonstrations. Your characterization of the protest is hyperbolic crap. Taking a protest to mean the country is "terrible" is strawmanning the protest. Why does this protest upset and threaten you so much that you'd strawman it? People are protesting against police brutality and for equal treatment before the law. Good for them. No reason for you to jump off an intellectual ledge.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Good grief, I watched the teams locking arms today during the National Anthem as some sort of show of "solidarity". What a bunch of giant babies. There's people having to rebuild entire lives in due to hurricanes and earthquakes and they're not being paid hundreds of thousands dollars for playing a game 4 months out of the year. Trump makes a few comments (that I actually wish he hadn't) and ohhh, life is so hard and so bad for us in the US. I'm watching NFL Gameday and they're trying to be all lighthearted "normal" as if there hasn't been this idiocy or we should all just be fine with it and this stupidity is going to be talked about all day. I've loved football for so long but this really turning turning me off.

Adding a quick poll.

No, not really. Primarily since I stopped watching/caring about any form of football four season ago. Saved me an immense amount of time, stress, even money, and I realized that I was emotionally involved and engaged something that that nothing to do with me or my life in any real manner.

The only giant babies I see are the one in rhetorical tears about other people kneeling, locking arms, etc... and trying to make transparently dishonest comparisons to them, what they're doing and people who were visited by hurricanes.

Don't like what they're doing? Well that's just too goddamned bad. Turn off the TV. Leave the sports bar. Go do something worth your time.

 

[Jaygodmedia]

It is beyond amazing to me that some people mostly so call conservative American's clam how so America they are yet don't even understand the right to protest the right of freedom of the press and expression and religion. Where did these crazy ideas come from I wonder?
Why don't you stop telling people WTF they can't do and respect their 1st amendment right you assholes.
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, ensuring that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

 

[X Factor]

You could, of course, support the First Amendment.

Hahahahaha, I knew someone would bring this up. Surprised it took this long. The NFL, despite the name, is not a government entity and if they squashed this, it actually wouldn't violate the 1st A. Let me ask you, if the NFL decided it was pro Trump and was going to have a number of pro Trump demonstrations, what would you do?

 

[X Factor]

I hear ya, X.

It's a beautiful day here in northern Wisconsin and in a few hours I'm heading to the lake and going fishing. With a little luck I'll be sitting down this evening to a nice fish dinner and NOT watching football.

That's awesome, Jack. Hope you get that fish dinner. That might be a good thread, what are you going to do instead of watching football? For me, think I'll take the dog to the park.

 

[rocket88]

Hahahahaha, I knew someone would bring this up. Surprised it took this long. The NFL, despite the name, is not a government entity and if they squashed this, it actually wouldn't violate the 1st A. Let me ask you, if the NFL decided it was pro Trump and was going to have a number of pro Trump demonstrations, what would you do?

Watch the game

 

[X Factor]

It is beyond amazing to me that some people mostly so call conservative American's clam how so America they are yet don't even understand the right to protest the right of freedom of the press and expression and religion. Where did these crazy ideas come from I wonder?
Why don't you stop telling people WTF they can't do and respect their 1st amendment right you assholes.
The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, ensuring that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

It amazes me how many people don't understand the first amendment. Nobody is actually obligated to support or applaud any protest or political display and boycott is just as valid a form of free speech.

 

[Jaygodmedia]

Hahahahaha, I knew someone would bring this up. Surprised it took this long. The NFL, despite the name, is not a government entity and if they squashed this, it actually wouldn't violate the 1st A. Let me ask you, if the NFL decided it was pro Trump and was going to have a number of pro Trump demonstrations, what would you do?

Bs they don't need pro trump demonstration WTF he not no damn king besides he already has the support of more then likely all the NFL owners. Again because a black player used his right as an American to peaceful protest. Fake ass conservative Americans begin to complaint against him completely ignoring what the protest was about. Now our current horrible President needs to add his dumb ass opinion because his sick ass conservative base likes this kind of talk. You sons of bitches best be very careful of what you might unleash in this country so far just words but beware.

 

[SheWolf]

Oh, I have no doubt that many on the left are happy about this because this will damage the NFL. Some lefties really, really hate the sport. They think it's too dangerous and, in a way, that the players are victims. I mean, I don't see this with any other professional sport. Why is that? These folks have no power though, to shake NFL support from the fans. They tried guilting us and we just told them if you don't like it, don't watch. For something as big as the NFL to ultimately fail, it has to come from within and these players are playing right into it. You and others like you may not care if this hurts the NFL, but the players really should.

I don't see as an issue with the NFL. In regards the head injuries and other issues, the sport could probably be changed or the equipment changed I don't think the sport has to end. Instead of it being an issue with the NLF, it's a reflection of our political climate. The president's rhetoric can alienate millions of minorities and immigrants, and that's ok with many. If minority players of the NFL alienate their fans, why should they care? How is it any different? Our race relations in this country is getting to the point that we don't give a **** about each other. Sorry, but I just don't find myself feeling sorry for upset white people right now.

If you feel the disrespect and some agitation by watching a sport, welcome to my world. It will be ok. I promise...

 

[Jaygodmedia]

It amazes me how many people don't understand the first amendment. Nobody is actually obligated to support or applaud any protest or political display and boycott is just as valid a form of free speech.

So as the son of a bitch fake ass horrible President just said boycott the NFL then don't watch don't go. This should not even be an issue but fake ass conservative Americans making it one.

 

[Tigerace117]

Sure. Childishness on both sides of this debacle.

But Trump should not have said what he said, because it causes uproars like this to happen. He should have just kept his mouth shut, rather than going after the players that protested. The only thing he did was add a few more logs to the fire.

Trump? Keep his mouth shut? That really would be a sign of the apocalypse :mrgreen:

 

[SheWolf]

The sense of entitlement of the "NFL players need to shut up and entertain me" crowd is astounding.

They wanted an Un Pc president, but they really don't anybody else being Un Pc.

 

[X Factor]

I don't see as an issue with the NFL. In regards the head injuries and other issues, the sport could probably be changed or the equipment changed I don't think the sport has to end. Instead of it being an issue with the NLF, it's a reflection of our political climate. The president's rhetoric can alienate millions of minorities and immigrants, and that's ok with many. If minority players of the NFL alienate their fans, why should they care? How is it any different? Our race relations in this country is getting to the point that we don't give a **** about each other. Sorry, but I just don't find myself feeling sorry for upset white people right now.

Don't be sorry. Doesn't impact me a bit.

If you feel the disrespect and some agitation by watching a sport, welcome to my world. It will be ok. I promise...

The players really should care if they're alienating their fans. Even if they don't give a **** how anyone feels about anything like you, they should be concerned how it will impact them. Interestingly, I find myself actually wanting to impact them negatively.

 

[Kobie]

Oh, I have no doubt that many on the left are happy about this because this will damage the NFL. Some lefties really, really hate the sport. They think it's too dangerous and, in a way, that the players are victims. I mean, I don't see this with any other professional sport. Why is that? These folks have no power though, to shake NFL support from the fans. They tried guilting us and we just told them if you don't like it, don't watch. For something as big as the NFL to ultimately fail, it has to come from within and these players are playing right into it. You and others like you may not care if this hurts the NFL, but the players really should.

This is an absolute crock. What a ridiculously stupid post.

 

[X Factor]

So as the son of a bitch fake ass horrible President just said boycott the NFL then don't watch don't go. This should not even be an issue but fake ass conservative Americans making it one.

Given your eloquent words, I wonder why I'm not being immediately won over to your "side".

 

[VanceMack]

It's the Steelers, I'm not about to give them the benefit of the doubt.


I'm joking. If that's his intent, ok, but make it really clear otherwise it looks like you're saying **** the anthem altogether.

I would rather not have the anthem and flag dragged into the mud by a bunch of morons. I think the Steelers as a team have recognized that that is what is happening and opted to remove themselves from the equation.


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[X Factor]

This is an absolute crock. What a ridiculously stupid post.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...l-brain-damage-immoral-watch-column/79654086/

 

[SheWolf]

Don't be sorry. Doesn't impact me a bit.



The players really should care if they're alienating their fans. Even if they don't give a **** how anyone feels about anything like you, they should be concerned how it will impact them. Interestingly, I find myself actually wanting to impact them negatively.

The players are getting some form of support for their actions. It's alienating a certain group of people, but not everybody entirely. NFL team owners are mostly all white on top of it. If this changes the game into something a lot of white people can't enjoy, then why should I care? Why should the players care? You don't care about the message of their protest. You don't want to hear it. You only care that they are not playing the game and not entertaining you.

You have told me before, you don't like talking about race issues or anything related. Your decision to ignore the games now is just an extension of that.
:shrug:

The political climate is that polarized and Un PC. People are saying what they think, and people are getting alienated. Right now, you're on the other side of that alienation.

 

[Grand Mal]

Oh, I have no doubt that many on the left are happy about this because this will damage the NFL. Some lefties really, really hate the sport. They think it's too dangerous and, in a way, that the players are victims. I mean, I don't see this with any other professional sport. Why is that? These folks have no power though, to shake NFL support from the fans. They tried guilting us and we just told them if you don't like it, don't watch. For something as big as the NFL to ultimately fail, it has to come from within and these players are playing right into it. You and others like you may not care if this hurts the NFL, but the players really should.

Ohferchristsake.
Really? The left is anti-football? What a two-dimensional cartoon world, huh? The lefties in your world, what sports do they support? Windsurfing and ultimate frisbee?

 

[Winchester]

Right. Nothing political about this whole thing until I came along. I appreciate the knee jerk defensiveness but I had an entirely left leaning (now former) mod agree that some on the left want to dismantle the NFL. If that's not you, great, but then you should recognize that these displays aren't actually beneficial.

Not beneficial in that they offend a great number of Americans, sure. Definitely a two edged sword the protestors are playing with, but that's usually par for the course with demonstrations. That and at least you admit you are basing your bias on anecdotal evidence... anything that fits into your worldview regarding left and right I guess.

 

[SheWolf]

It really depends on what the Cowboys do tomorrow.



Between supporting the nation and the National Football League, I choose the former. Believe me, I fervently wish this wasn't even a choice I had to make.

Why are you making the choice? You're considering to stop watching football, because of why exactly? What aspect of this is bothering you so much that you will stop watching a sport you obviously like a lot?

 

[cuban smokes]

Sick of the NFL controversy and NFL period. Bunch of overpaid kids with huge egos.

Trump's ego is bigger than Uranus .............. that is a planet, of course .............

 

[X Factor]

Why are you making the choice? You're considering to stop watching football, because of why exactly? What aspect of this is bothering you so much that you will stop watching a sport you obviously like a lot?

To make a statement. The only thing that will make a difference to the NFL is threatened loss of revenue and that will start with documented reduced viewership. Huh, I'm becoming an activist.