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Are those who rail against gays heretics?

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I find it interesting that those religious who believe in an infallible God can say that gays are bad for being who God made them. To do so says God makes mistakes, i.e., he made people gay when it violates his own laws. So to me, those who rail against gays are heretics because they are saying God makes mistakes which violates the very premise of their religion.
 
independentusa said:
I find it interesting that those religious who believe in an infallible God can say that gays are bad for being who God made them. To do so says God makes mistakes, i.e., he made people gay when it violates his own laws. So to me, those who rail against gays are heretics because they are saying God makes mistakes which violates the very premise of their religion.
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They believe (falsely) that it's a choice, freewill.
 
independentusa said:
I find it interesting that those religious who believe in an infallible God can say that gays are bad for being who God made them. To do so says God makes mistakes, i.e., he made people gay when it violates his own laws. So to me, those who rail against gays are heretics because they are saying God makes mistakes which violates the very premise of their religion.
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Yeah a flaw in your argument is that you are assuming they agree with you that is not a choice.

At least what I'm familiar with as far as traditional Christianity goes, it's okay to be gay... but it is a sin to choose to act on it.

I think it's tied to lust being a sin, and that in this framework gay sex can only be out of lust because it cannot result in children.... otherwise you wouldn't need to engage in sex. Traditionally sex is for one purpose... making babies. Booty sex, would be an act that is 100% for pleasure.... and you are kind of using organs in a way they aren't engineered for xD so you are kind of going against the intention of your "creator".

I am not religious, just pointing out some things I know, and the way of thinking that goes behind it... at least to some people.


What's funny, there are also some gay people now days that seem to be disturbed that it isn't a choice... I think it stems from not wanting to feel inferior because your body may have had an oopsie while developing, which cause you to be how you are..... while I think they want to believe they are and have been fully in control of their sexual destiny?
 
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Traditionally sex is for one purpose... making babies. Booty sex, would be an act that is 100% for pleasure.... and you are kind of using organs in a way they aren't engineered for xD so you are kind of going against the intention of your "creator".
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Seems like a lot of coincidence. Maybe too much coincidence.
 
independentusa said:
I find it interesting that those religious who believe in an infallible God can say that gays are bad for being who God made them. To do so says God makes mistakes, i.e., he made people gay when it violates his own laws. So to me, those who rail against gays are heretics because they are saying God makes mistakes which violates the very premise of their religion.
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Since you are claiming to be a person controlled by your religious beliefs, tell us what your religion is, the denomination if any, and what religious practices you observe.
 
For those who oppose homosexuality claiming it is sinful take the position that a person should resist the sin of homosexual sex, the same as a person should resist the sin of adultery, fornication and bestiality no matter how much the person wants to. Equally, they believe a person shouldn't steal, lie, commit murder etc - again no matter how much want to.

People tempted to commit sin does not contradict their belief in God as a matter of free will. In this country a person as free will to commit crimes, but may be punished if the person does.
 
God does not make mistakes...people do...
 
joko104 said:
Since you are claiming to be a person controlled by your religious beliefs, tell us what your religion is, the denomination if any, and what religious practices you observe.
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I am a Catholic and am a trustee of my church. Is that enough info?
 
Occasionally I take my three nephews aside and explain some of life's bumps on the roads. One is not choosing to be a liberal/Demo and two choosing to become gay. I agree 1000percent with Elvira's response. Matter of fact it's the only making sense.
 
Elvira said:
God does not make mistakes...people do...
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I would like to send a few individuals here and elsewhere to the chalk board and write your response 1000 times.
 
A parochial question that doesn't (or shouldn't) affect me. That being said, it's interesting. Once the faithful have agreed on the answer, I would love to hear it.
 
Elvira said:
God does not make mistakes...people do...
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I agree with your premise. Actions have consequences. What's REALLY immoral is when people take risks and attempt to slough off the consequences to someone else. If you're gonna play don't complain when you gotta pay.
 
SDET said:
I agree with your premise. Actions have consequences. What's REALLY immoral is when people take risks and attempt to slough off the consequences to someone else. If you're gonna play don't complain when you gotta pay.
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The only consequences anyone pays it's the ironic of ostracism from a group that says all are welcome.
 
CLAX1911 said:
The only consequences anyone pays it's the ironic of ostracism from a group that says all are welcome.
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Let me put it this way: When someone engages in risky sex, pay the bill themselves instead of expecting the taxpayers to cover it. That includes pregnancy, contraception, STD treatment, etc.
 
SDET said:
Let me put it this way: When someone engages in risky sex, pay the bill themselves instead of expecting the taxpayers to cover it. That includes pregnancy, contraception, STD treatment, etc.
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Well all forms of sex are risky. If you engage in it you are risking some form of possibility for STD or pregnancy depending on who you're having sex with.

But I'm with you people should be more self-reliant. That doesn't mean I have any issue with government funding research into diagnosis and treatment of STDs.
 
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