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Are genital preferences transphobic?

You misunderstood my point. There are those who prefer women, whether they have penis or vagina, arguments of penis automatically mean man aside. Their attraction is to both cis and trans women. Same with men. There are those attracted to both cis and trans men. And granted, there are those who are attracted only to genitals, so that a pro op trans man is alright, but a post-op is not. Again, initial attraction is usually based upon assumption from looks, and changes when it is revealed otherwise. For most people, it is granted that they are attracted to the combination of genitals and gender presentation.

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2 * 2 = 4

This is not up for debate.
The point was about context. In base 3 or base 4, your answer would be wrong.

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How are they not? There's no such thing as sexual attraction to genitals, only to genders. If a straight man were to refuse to be with a penis-having woman (for example) he's attracted to that is effective trans erasure because you aren't viewing that person. Would you straight guys out there really refuse to be with a hot chick just because she has the wrong organ?

Were you on Grindr last night with the profile name trannychaser?
 
Hate to say it but he's not wrong. A straight cis man's aversion to a woman with a penis is a giveaway that he has a very narrow view of what sex even is.

Not true. The narrow view would be if he tries to impose his preferences upon others, as in make them follow his. It's not narrow to have preferences and decline sex with one who doe not meet those preferences. You might as well say that a gay cis man's aversion to a woman with a penis is a giveaway that he has a very narrow view of what sex even is, since he is refusing the woman, as opposed to the straight's refusal of the penis.

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You misunderstood my point. There are those who prefer women, whether they have penis or vagina, arguments of penis automatically mean man aside.
penis does automatically mean male that's male genitalia. Male humans are men. To say that their women is to gaslight. such a man that is attracted to both men and women is a bisexual man.
Their attraction is to both cis and trans women. Same with men. There are those attracted to both cis and trans men. And granted, there are those who are attracted only to genitals, so that a pro op trans man is alright, but a post-op is not. Again, initial attraction is usually based upon assumption from looks, and changes when it is revealed otherwise.
yes once it's found out that they're not really the sex they present themselves as.
For most people, it is granted that they are attracted to the combination of genitals and gender presentation.
this is gas-lighting people aren't attracted to genitals. They're attracted to men or women or both. It is assumed that they are actually men or women. What it's revealed that they're not the desired sex all the traction vanishes because they are not the desired sex
People can't just switch from gay to straight.
 
Hate to say it but he's not wrong. A straight cis man's aversion to a woman with a penis is a giveaway that he has a very narrow view of what sex even is.

A trans woman with a penis is male. If a straight man doesn't have an aversion to having a sexual relationship with such a person, than he isn't straight. Sexual behavior involving two males is homosexual. Identity doesn't matter.
 
The day you post something that isn't completely over the top will be a.... well I don't know. Let us say it will be a very strange day indeed.



This should not be difficult. There IS a thing called sexual attraction. You got that much right. From there, everything else is wrong because - wait for it - people's sexual preferences involve both gender and biological sex just for starters. People have some degree of body type preferences, height preferences, hair color preferences. But the two biggest are generally biological sex and gender. Duh.

I'd bet that an overwhelming majority of "straight guys out there" would refuse to be with a trans female with male parts. Nothing bigoted about that. Bigotry is doing things like discriminating against them, being assholes towards them, etc.

I'll give you the same question I asked someone else...

Are you telling me if you met a hot chick that shared the same interests as you it would be a deal breaker because she has the wrong-shaped genitals or because she has the wrong kind of chromosome? Would you also break it off with a chick that had an ugly vulva? I'm attracted to women, not genitals, and if you're only reason to not be with a trans woman is because "they aren't real women and they're icky" that's frankly transphobic.
 
The day you post something that isn't completely over the top will be a.... well I don't know. Let us say it will be a very strange day indeed.



This should not be difficult. There IS a thing called sexual attraction. You got that much right. From there, everything else is wrong because - wait for it - people's sexual preferences involve both gender and biological sex just for starters. People have some degree of body type preferences, height preferences, hair color preferences. But the two biggest are generally biological sex and gender. Duh.

I'd bet that an overwhelming majority of "straight guys out there" would refuse to be with a trans female with male parts. Nothing bigoted about that. Bigotry is doing things like discriminating against them, being assholes towards them, etc.

I'll give you the same question I asked someone else...

Are you telling me if you met a hot chick that shared the same interests as you it would be a deal breaker because she has the wrong-shaped genitals or because she has the wrong kind of chromosome? Would you also break it off with a chick that had an ugly vulva? I'm attracted to women, not genitals, and if you're only reason to not be with a trans woman is because "they aren't real women and they're icky" that's frankly transphobic.

That is frankly idiotic in the most extreme of extremes.
 
How are they not? There's no such thing as sexual attraction to genitals, only to genders.

By your own standards, what you're saying doesn't make any sense. It's not surprising.
 
Are you telling me if you met a hot chick that shared the same interests as you it would be a deal breaker because she has the wrong-shaped genitals or because she has the wrong kind of chromosome? Would you also break it off with a chick that had an ugly vulva?

Your original post did not comment about the shape of genitals, but about the type of genitals. This is a very different question, in no small part because you need both working male and female genitals to have children of your own. People sometimes break it off on account that their partner do not want children, or cannot have children. You may find that this is a shame and, fair enough, it is somewhat of a shame. Yet, life isn't all about riding unicorns down a rainbow to find a pot of gold you may spend on beers you'll share with the leprechaun standing nearby. Choosing between someone staying with someone you care about, but loosing out on the chance to father or give birth to children of your own and hoping to get that chance, but only at the cost of breaking off an intimate relationship. That's not an easy choice and both options s*** in their own ways.

Who are you to tell unequivocally to people how they should make such personal trade-offs? You don't get to dismiss their preferences and you sure as hell aren't the person who should be making those choices on their behalf.

I'm attracted to women, not genitals, and if you're only reason to not be with a trans woman is because "they aren't real women and they're icky" that's frankly transphobic.

You apparently do not understand what is transphobia. In fact, you are unwittingly engaged in gaslighting and you're bringing completely undesirable attention to a community of people who just want to be left alone. Stop crying to the wolf everytime someone puts half a toe outside the party line. You're making people increasingly numb to words such as transphobia and there will come a time when, even when there truly is a hateful crime going on, nobody will care because they will all assume it's some intolerant kid engaging in moral posturing again to shut down discussion or trying to bully other people into agreement and compliance.


Do you even know what is transphobia? It's a form of hatred, directed explicitly toward transgender people, it is the intention to take action to undermine their pursuits or to otherwise hurt them. Saying "Sorry, but I am not interested in being a romantic relationship with you." isn't transphobia. Going around insulting transpeople, assaulting transpeople or shaming them -- now, that's transphobic. You don't to pull fake definitions out of your a** to criticize people whose arguments and points of view you apparently do not understand, do not want to understand, continually misrepresents.

You know what I see here? Pure, unadultered moral posturing. I'm calling it out: your concern is fake. You don't give a damn about transpeople. It's all about lording presumptions of greater compassion over the rest of us. Enjoy talking to the wall, alone.
 
Your doing it wrong if giving oral sex is a chore. I love giving oral sex, often more than receiving because it can be too stimulating and even painful.

Did you ever watch South Park in the last 4-5 years?

For those who lack the relevant background, the principal of the elementary school is a complete charicature of extreme political correctness. The guy is also a complete douche, a total gym bro who literally lives in a frat house. The whole PC community in South Park actually is constituted strictly of white male gym bros living in the same frat house. Anyways, in one episode aired a few years ago, there was a party held at the frat house. The following day, PC principal walks in the hallway of the bedrooms, asking for consent forms (yeah, I know), when he picks up a journal and reads the headline: some journalist heard that people in the PC frat house were using PC to "crush some puss." Funny thing is that during a women's march in the US (I think it was after Trump got elected), a journalist did hear some loosers speak exactly like that. They were nodding to all matters of extreme radical feminism becase the angry women around them were pretty attractive. There was also absolutely no doubt about their intentions because they told each other they're definitely getting laid.

:lamo


Reading AtlandaAdonis who calls himself an adonis and says things like "going down on a chick" and "hot (...) chick," all I can think about are those douchebags because this is exactly how your prototypical 20 year old college kid would be talking. That's not how a 30 or 40 year old professional would be talking. If you're in your 30s and you still talk like that, that's pretty sad. It's beyond pathetic.
 
I'll give you the same question I asked someone else...

Are you telling me if you met a hot chick that shared the same interests as you it would be a deal breaker because she has the wrong-shaped genitals or because she has the wrong kind of chromosome?
everyone is most likely going to tell you yes as an answer to that question.

A woman with a penis is a male. And if you're not gay you're not going to be interested in a male no matter how much like a hot chick she looks.
Would you also break it off with a chick that had an ugly vulva? I'm attracted to women, not genitals, and if you're only reason to not be with a trans woman is because "they aren't real women and they're icky" that's frankly transphobic.
If that's the case nobody should care about being transphobic.
 
Did you ever watch South Park in the last 4-5 years?

For those who lack the relevant background, the principal of the elementary school is a complete charicature of extreme political correctness. The guy is also a complete douche, a total gym bro who literally lives in a frat house. The whole PC community in South Park actually is constituted strictly of white male gym bros living in the same frat house. Anyways, in one episode aired a few years ago, there was a party held at the frat house. The following day, PC principal walks in the hallway of the bedrooms, asking for consent forms (yeah, I know), when he picks up a journal and reads the headline: some journalist heard that people in the PC frat house were using PC to "crush some puss." Funny thing is that during a women's march in the US (I think it was after Trump got elected), a journalist did hear some loosers speak exactly like that. They were nodding to all matters of extreme radical feminism becase the angry women around them were pretty attractive. There was also absolutely no doubt about their intentions because they told each other they're definitely getting laid.

:lamo


Reading AtlandaAdonis who calls himself an adonis and says things like "going down on a chick" and "hot (...) chick," all I can think about are those douchebags because this is exactly how your prototypical 20 year old college kid would be talking. That's not how a 30 or 40 year old professional would be talking. If you're in your 30s and you still talk like that, that's pretty sad. It's beyond pathetic.

No, I have never watched South Park. I don't find it amusing.
 
A trans woman with a penis is male.

You are not an expert on sexuality and thus your opinion does not count. :)

penis does automatically mean male that's male genitalia. Male humans are men. To say that their women is to gaslight.
:2funny:

You should not use such big words until you know what they actually mean. ;)

P.S. It's "they're," not "their." Second-grade grammar, Clax. :lol:
 
You are not an expert on sexuality and thus your opinion does not count. :)
It doesn't take an expert to know male from female.

:2funny:

You should not use such big words until you know what they actually mean. ;)

P.S. It's "they're," not "their." Second-grade grammar, Clax. :lol:
Standard behavior of the faux erudite.

It's hysterical because you need an expert to tell you if you are a male or a female.
 
It doesn't take an expert to know male from female.

You are confused. You obviously don't know the difference between sex and gender. :)

Standard behavior of the faux erudite.

And here come the ad-hom attacks. Right on cue. You didn't even try to put up an intelligent argument this time. :thumbs:
 
You are confused. You obviously don't know the difference between sex and gender. :)
gender is irrelevant. Besides sexuality has to do with sex. That's why the first three letters spell sex.


And here come the ad-hom attacks. Right on cue. You didn't even try to put up an intelligent argument this time. :thumbs:
There can be no intelligent argument to someone needing an expert to decide what sex they are.
 
gender is irrelevant. Besides sexuality has to do with sex. That's why the first three letters spell sex.



There can be no intelligent argument to someone needing an expert to decide what sex they are.

A persons' gender, both biological and psychological, is very relevant.

Who is asking an expert to tell them what sex they are because I'm not aware of this happening?
 
A persons' gender, both biological and psychological, is very relevant.

Who is asking an expert to tell them what sex they are because I'm not aware of this happening?

Before running your mouth please read the conversation.
 
gender is irrelevant. Besides sexuality has to do with sex. That's why the first three letters spell sex.
And with those words, you confirm that you have no clue what you are talking about. :2wave:
 
Your doing it wrong if giving oral sex is a chore. I love giving oral sex, often more than receiving because it can be too stimulating and even painful.

Yeah, it's definitely not a chore for me. :lol:
 
How are they not? There's no such thing as sexual attraction to genitals, only to genders. If a straight man were to refuse to be with a penis-having woman (for example) he's attracted to that is effective trans erasure because you aren't viewing that person. Would you straight guys out there really refuse to be with a hot chick just because she has the wrong organ?


I don't think that's true. I, a male, am attracted to female genitals.

I can't see how women are attracted to male genitals but apparently they are.
 
I think people's preferences are their own business. Me, I like a woman, preferably Japanese or Korean, with all her original plumbing, neatly trimmed not shaved.

Other people don't mind someone who's had an operation; some will settle for a dude in a dress. Fine by me as long as I have my market. All the trans people I've ever met seem to recognize they have their market as well and don't begrudge our preferences any more than we would theirs.
 
Because only experts can determine sex. We've been doing it wrong all through history.

What are you incoherently rambling on about now?
 
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