AntiFa and Freedom of Speech from the Horse's Mouth

[OpportunityCost]

No. It fits the definition exactly as you stated it. If you want to revise the definition that is fine, just don't pretend otherwise and try to pile in on people for responding exactly to what you post. What your definition would now appear to include is intent so, in the same context that you are trying to use, I say that opposing fascism is a good intention which justifies at least intimidation, just as it justifies opposing extreme right wing Islamic fascism.

The problem is that antifa applies intimidation against everyone, not just fascism. But you aren't going to acknowledge that.

 

[jet57]

Try to stay in context, maybe you will get the definition applies to individuals and small groups, not countries. You still don't get it.

No, I get it fine; you just don't know what the hell you're talkin about again.

 

[OpportunityCost]

No, I get it fine; you just don't know what the hell you're talkin about again.

Considering how the only arguments you have are fallacies and you use them over and over, maybe you don't know what the hell you are talking about...again.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Then I hope for your sake that you're not standing with the Alt right and Nazi's.



If you're interested, this is a good podcast about the Proud Boys... (note: it will be available after 7pm today).

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/626/white-haze?act=1

I'm a libertarian, I am not alt-right and national socialism, like communism and other statist murderous ideologys are antithetical to my views.


As for your link, I read the pre-amble and can see it's not something that will be truthful or even logical. So now believing western culture is "the best" is the same as "white power". That's ****ing stupid. Jason Kessler is not a proud boy and was booted once his racist ideologies were exposed. So right off the bat, you have a lie, and a direct attempt to link civic-nationalism with ethno-nationalism, which is what your ilk do, which is false, and a lie. It also ignores the direct condemnation of racism, and the disavowing of the "Alt-Right" in favor of lies that some public radio SJW wishes to spew.

Please read the following:
Gavin McInnes: Virginia Unite the Right Rally DISAVOWED - Proud Boy Magazine

Jason Kessler was booted out of any affiliation with the Proud Boys as soon as his idiotic views came to light.

How many times must racism be disavowed before you accept that a group is not racist?? How come those of you who support the terrorists ANTIFA Don't constantly berate them to disavow any support stalinism that they clearly have no problem standing with.


"So here’s the deal Proud Boys, if you want to go to the rally, I can’t stop you. But just don’t ****ing wear your Fred Perry, or decide to belt: “Proud of Your Boy.” Remember, we don’t allow racists in Proud Boys, if you decide to rub elbows with those people in colors, you very well could find yourself being disavowed."





You can post every little sniveling article and podcast you want. but if you don't want to consider what they actually say and actions they actually took, all while making excuses for the terrorist antifa, we may be at an impasse.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Ya'know, just as an aside; there are people in this world who could hold up our flag as a "murderous regime flag" and they could prove it.

You can move to any country of your choice that does not have a past. Good luck and godspeed.

 

[Moot]

I'm a libertarian, I am not alt-right and national socialism, like communism and other statist murderous ideologys are antithetical to my views.


As for your link, I read the pre-amble and can see it's not something that will be truthful or even logical. So now believing western culture is "the best" is the same as "white power". That's ****ing stupid. Jason Kessler is not a proud boy and was booted once his racist ideologies were exposed. So right off the bat, you have a lie, and a direct attempt to link civic-nationalism with ethno-nationalism, which is what your ilk do, which is false, and a lie. It also ignores the direct condemnation of racism, and the disavowing of the "Alt-Right" in favor of lies that some public radio SJW wishes to spew.

Please read the following:
Gavin McInnes: Virginia Unite the Right Rally DISAVOWED - Proud Boy Magazine

Jason Kessler was booted out of any affiliation with the Proud Boys as soon as his idiotic views came to light.

How many times must racism be disavowed before you accept that a group is not racist?? How come those of you who support the terrorists ANTIFA Don't constantly berate them to disavow any support stalinism that they clearly have no problem standing with.


"So here’s the deal Proud Boys, if you want to go to the rally, I can’t stop you. But just don’t ****ing wear your Fred Perry, or decide to belt: “Proud of Your Boy.” Remember, we don’t allow racists in Proud Boys, if you decide to rub elbows with those people in colors, you very well could find yourself being disavowed."


You can post every little sniveling article and podcast you want. but if you don't want to consider what they actually say and actions they actually took, all while making excuses for the terrorist antifa, we may be at an impasse.

Since it was an interview with the founders of the Proud Boys...it would seem that.you're the one that doesn't want to consider what they actually have to say. Personally, I found the interview very enlightening....especially the part about "no wanking". lol It's also BS that they don't allow racists in their midst.

There was a second podcast of an interview with Jessler that was also interesting....very interesting indeed. They discuss the Charlottesville rally.

So if you don't want to listen to it...then don't whine about others not listening when you refuse to listen yourself.


PS: they all claim to be libertarians...except on immigration, of course.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

No. I was just pointing out there are a lot of Alt-right fakers out there.

Posting the same story about the bike lock guy over and over doesn't quite prove what you think it does.

If you feel the need to use fakery and exaggeration to make your case....then maybe you don't have a case at all.

Real communists, if they even exist, are so few and far between in the US that I'm not going to worry about standing next to one. Can you say the same about white supremacists and the Alt-right?

Speaking of "fakery and exxageration!"





https://twitter.com/berkeleypolice/status/908760250592792576



Who's lying here? look at that blood, you believe the berkely police dept? why the lack of media curiosity? She wasn't stabbed but was slammed to the ground by two men.


Listen to the video at the beginning.

if you don't want to listen to her whole story start at 6 mins.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Since it was an interview with the founders of the Proud Boys...it would seem that.you're the one that doesn't want to consider what they actually have to say. Personally, I found the interview very enlightening....especially the part about "no wanking". lol It's also BS that they don't allow racists in their midst.

There was a second podcast of an interview with Jessler that was also interesting....very interesting indeed. They discuss the Charlottesville rally.

So if you don't want to listen to it...then don't whine about others not listening when you refuse to listen yourself.


PS: they all claim to be libertarians...except on immigration, of course.

So they reject racism on thier home page, eject them out of thier group, but you want to claim they allow racists in thier midst.

WE ARE NOT ALT-RIGHT - Proud Boy Magazine
Interracial Couple Booted from Bar for Bigotry - Proud Boy Magazine
Gavin McInnes: Virginia Unite the Right Rally DISAVOWED - Proud Boy Magazine



Racist groups don't hide thier racism, they celebrate it, why would the proud boys denounce racism if they are cozy with it?



why would they have a black guy doing video's for em?

Use your head, it's embarrassing to see you ignore reality because you want to follow a communist agenda.

 

[Moot]

Speaking of "fakery and exxageration!"

[video=youtube;0WRYcycCag8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=408&v=0WRYcycCag8[video]


https://twitter.com/berkeleypolice/status/908760250592792576


Who's lying here? look at that blood, you believe the berkely police dept? why the lack of media curiosity? She wasn't stabbed but was slammed to the ground by two men.


Listen to the video at the beginning.


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Thats the same fake story I mentioned in [url=https://www.debatepolitics.com/freedom-of-speech/295039-antifa-and-freedom-speech-horses-mouth-34.html#post1067653360]post #333[/url]. Obviously you didn't read it...so here it is again....

[url=http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Berkeley-Police-Squash-Viral-Rumor-of-Stabbing-at-Ben-Shapiro-Speech--444771053.html]Berkeley Police Squash Viral Rumor of Reported Stabbing at Ben Shapiro Speech - NBC Bay Area[/url]

[url]https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2017/09/15/18802947.php[/url]


[url]https://twitter.com/berkeleypolice/status/908734424090525697[/url]

[url]https://twitter.com/berkeleypolice/status/908760250592792576[/url]


The Proud Boys are proving themselves to be liars.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Thats the same fake story I mentioned in post #333. Obviously you didn't read it...so here it is again....

Berkeley Police Squash Viral Rumor of Reported Stabbing at Ben Shapiro Speech - NBC Bay Area

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2017/09/15/18802947.php


https://twitter.com/berkeleypolice/status/908734424090525697

https://twitter.com/berkeleypolice/status/908760250592792576


The Proud Boys are proving themselves to be liars.

You didn't read the article, or watch the video. you are letting other liars tell you nothing happened. She wasn't stabbed, she was picked up and slammed on her head for the crime of displaying a sign that displeased ANTIFA.. Do you deny that happened? Read the berkely police comments, they are slaughtered with evidence that thier claim is untrue.. pictures, videos interview with the victim.

Stop being a sheep.

 

[jet57]

You can move to any country of your choice that does not have a past. Good luck and godspeed.

Denial, and not the river in Africa

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Denial, and not the river in Africa

denial of what?

 

[jet57]

Considering how the only arguments you have are fallacies and you use them over and over, maybe you don't know what the hell you are talking about...again.

Here's your definition of fascism:

They are choosing violence over the ballot box to achieve a political goal, that is a hallmark trait of fascist activity

Which of these did not use violence?

American patriots pre and during the American Revolution.

The Irish against the English; both in the middle ages and up through modern times.

The Scots in the middle ages and up through the 18th century.

Christianity (Catholicism) from its founding up through the 17th century.

Therefore by your own definition all of these participants were fascist.

So, why don't you read about the subject of fascism and then comment on it.

 

[jet57]

denial of what?

:roll:

 

[OpportunityCost]

Here's your definition of fascism:

Which of these did not use violence?

American patriots pre and during the American Revolution.

The Irish against the English; both in the middle ages and up through modern times.

The Scots in the middle ages and up through the 18th century.

Christianity (Catholicism) from its founding up through the 17th century.

Therefore by your own definition all of these participants were fascist.

So, why don't you read about the subject of fascism and then comment on it.

More has been said since then, but why add that, it punches holes in your argument.

 

[jet57]

More has been said since then, but why add that, it punches holes in your argument.

Nothing you've said punches holes in my argument. Once again you don;t know what you're talking about.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Nothing you've said punches holes in my argument. Once again you don;t know what you're talking about.

That's not the limits of what I said, nor is it contextual, nor does it address sovereignty, all of which has been discussed but hey circle back to your original argument once its been beat to death. Seems legit.

 

[William Rea]

That's not the limits of what I said, nor is it contextual, nor does it address sovereignty, all of which has been discussed but hey circle back to your original argument once its been beat to death. Seems legit.

None of that has actually been discussed in depth because, we are still stuck on your false assertion of what constitutes fascism and hellhounds cherry picking of a definition. There have been lots of posts but, as far as I am concerned nothing has moved beyond that because you have both provided plenty of rhetoric and evasion but, nothing of substance

 

[Moot]

So they reject racism on thier home page, eject them out of thier group, but you want to claim they allow racists in thier midst.

WE ARE NOT ALT-RIGHT - Proud Boy Magazine
Interracial Couple Booted from Bar for Bigotry - Proud Boy Magazine
Gavin McInnes: Virginia Unite the Right Rally DISAVOWED - Proud Boy Magazine



Racist groups don't hide thier racism, they celebrate it, why would the proud boys denounce racism if they are cozy with it?



why would they have a black guy doing video's for em?

Hey man, 'The Pope' is black, too.

The NPR podcast I posted was an interview with black Proud Boy member, Dante Nero whom Gavin McGinnes nicknamed "The Pope" because it was his philosophy or idea to stop masturbating so they could meet chicks. Dante was with the PB from beginning and a third or fourth level member...he even had the "Proud Boys" tattooed on his neck. HIS NECK!!! Thats how proud he was to be a PB. But he ain't proud no mo because he couldn't take the PB's over lapping with white supremacist beliefs and the racist PB membership, anymore. So maybe the black guy in your video is just blind like The Pope was before he woke.

But, not even The Pope could stop Gavin from recruiting new members that he knew were racists (ie: Kessler). Kessler was attracted to the PB because they espoused many of the same things that white supremacists believe. Kessler told Gavin when they first met that he was a white supremacist and yet, Gavin still made him a member...hazing ritual and all. It's a bit late for Gavin to close the door after he's already invited them in and they're sitting at the table.

Our culture is better than your culture.

Our women should stay home and make babies

Our country has no more room for immigrants

We are being persecuted.​

 

[jet57]

That's not the limits of what I said, nor is it contextual, nor does it address sovereignty, all of which has been discussed but hey circle back to your original argument once its been beat to death. Seems legit.

You don't know what you're talking about dude.

 

[haymarket]

Then I hope for your sake that you're not standing with the Alt right and Nazi's.

There are some on the far right who hate those on the left so deeply, and have been so brainwashed to hate the left, that even if it means defending the worst of those on the right, they cannot help themselves and cannot restrain their knee jerk impulse to attack groups like ANTIFA even though they are largely just boogey men in the minds of right wingers and have no real consequence in the real world.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Hey man, 'The Pope' is black, too.

The NPR podcast I posted was an interview with black Proud Boy member, Dante Nero whom Gavin McGinnes nicknamed "The Pope" because it was his philosophy or idea to stop masturbating so they could meet chicks. Dante was with the PB from beginning and a third or fourth level member...he even had the "Proud Boys" tattooed on his neck. HIS NECK!!! Thats how proud he was to be a PB. But he ain't proud no mo because he couldn't take the PB's over lapping with white supremacist beliefs and the racist PB membership, anymore. So maybe the black guy in your video is just blind like The Pope was before he woke.

But, not even The Pope could stop Gavin from recruiting new members that he knew were racists (ie: Kessler). Kessler was attracted to the PB because they espoused many of the same things that white supremacists believe. Kessler told Gavin when they first met that he was a white supremacist and yet, Gavin still made him a member...hazing ritual and all. It's a bit late for Gavin to close the door after he's already invited them in and they're sitting at the table.

Our culture is better than your culture.

Our women should stay home and make babies

Our country has no more room for immigrants

We are being persecuted.​

What table? Link to this table with the white power doods.

kessler has been disavowed, racism has been disavowed, the alt-right disavowed.

By your logic, since Anthony wiener is a pedophile, all democrats are pedophiles, even if they claim they are against it. There is no atonement and no absolution for any democrat because once there was a democrat pedophile.



ANTIFA, like your posts show, are clowns looking for a circus. fighting a non existent enemy.


No here you are, having an issue with the things that made this country great.

Our culture is better than your culture.

Our women should stay home and make babies

Our country has no more room for immigrants

We are being persecuted.

Is this a quote or something you created in your own mind?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

None of that has actually been discussed in depth because, we are still stuck on your false assertion of what constitutes fascism and hellhounds cherry picking of a definition. There have been lots of posts but, as far as I am concerned nothing has moved beyond that because you have both provided plenty of rhetoric and evasion but, nothing of substance

So what are the actual fascists you are fighting antifa guy?

can you name them?

ANTIFA are clowns looking for a circus.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Hey man, 'The Pope' is black, too.

The NPR podcast I posted was an interview with black Proud Boy member, Dante Nero whom Gavin McGinnes nicknamed "The Pope" because it was his philosophy or idea to stop masturbating so they could meet chicks. Dante was with the PB from beginning and a third or fourth level member...he even had the "Proud Boys" tattooed on his neck. HIS NECK!!! Thats how proud he was to be a PB. But he ain't proud no mo because he couldn't take the PB's over lapping with white supremacist beliefs and the racist PB membership, anymore. So maybe the black guy in your video is just blind like The Pope was before he woke.

But, not even The Pope could stop Gavin from recruiting new members that he knew were racists (ie: Kessler). Kessler was attracted to the PB because they espoused many of the same things that white supremacists believe. Kessler told Gavin when they first met that he was a white supremacist and yet, Gavin still made him a member...hazing ritual and all. It's a bit late for Gavin to close the door after he's already invited them in and they're sitting at the table.

Our culture is better than your culture.

Our women should stay home and make babies

Our country has no more room for immigrants

We are being persecuted.​

Let me address this one a second time.


1. Kicks racists out of group.
2. disavows racism
3. disavows the alt-right
4. disavows fascism
5. has people of many ethnic origins in the organization....
6. accepts gays as well.



To you, this is a racist, fascist, homophobic organization, the question is why?

 

[OpportunityCost]

You don't know what you're talking about dude.

Please comment on the topic not what you believe you think I know.