AntiFa and Freedom of Speech from the Horse's Mouth

[William Rea]

Boring.........



You stand behind a murderous ideology, Communism, which killed more than the nazis. you are no different.

You're right, your cliches are boring.

 

[Moot]

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That pic is a fake. Just thought you should know....

Viral photo of Antifa member 'beating up police officer in Charlottesville' is fake | The Independent

 

[William Rea]

That pic is a fake. Just thought you should know....

Viral photo of Antifa member 'beating up police officer in Charlottesville' is fake | The Independent

Awwwww, come on, don't lets start trading alternative facts.

At the end of the day, this laughable Tu Quoque nonsense evident in this thread among many is transparent, fake and satirises itself without assistance.

 

[Moot]

Awwwww, come on, don't lets start trading alternative facts.

At the end of the day, this laughable Tu Quoque nonsense evident in this thread among many is transparent, fake and satirises itself without assistance.

Not sure what you mean.

 

[OlNate]

That pic is a fake. Just thought you should know....

Viral photo of Antifa member 'beating up police officer in Charlottesville' is fake | The Independent

LMAO.... Awesome. :bravo:


:lamo

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

That pic is a fake. Just thought you should know....

Viral photo of Antifa member 'beating up police officer in Charlottesville' is fake | The Independent

It's not fake, it's just not from charlottesville which I never made the claim that it was.,


It's from athens, greece.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Awwwww, come on, don't lets start trading alternative facts.

At the end of the day, this laughable Tu Quoque nonsense evident in this thread among many is transparent, fake and satirises itself without assistance.

How is it nonsense, you literally support an evil as bad as national socialism. Just ask any ukranian. Had your snivelling little che survived, he would have had his own killing fields.


If you are standing next to a guy with a nazi flag, or a communist flag, you are standing shoulder to shoulder with murderous ideology.

You are no better than the "nazis" you claim to be fighting.

 

[Moot]

It's not fake, it's just not from charlottesville which I never made the claim that it was.,


It's from athens, greece.

Yes, Athens Greece 2009 and the antifa logo was photoshopped on the man's jacket. But you tried to pass it off as recent Antifa violence in the US.

The photo, however, is not from last weekend’s rally, but from a demonstration in Athens, Greece in 2009. In the original photo – which is available on Getty Images – there is no anti-fascist logo on the man’s jacket.

Here's another fake from the Alt-right....

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/28/denver-area-arrest-neo-nazi-stabbing/


And another...

Berkeley Police Squash Viral Rumor of Reported Stabbing at Ben Shapiro Speech - NBC Bay Area

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2017/09/15/18802947.php

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Yes, Athens Greece 2009 and the antifa logo was photoshopped on the man's jacket. But you tried to pass it off as recent Antifa violence in the US.



Here's another fake from the Alt-right....

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/08/28/denver-area-arrest-neo-nazi-stabbing/


And another...

Berkeley Police Squash Viral Rumor of Reported Stabbing at Ben Shapiro Speech - NBC Bay Area

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2017/09/15/18802947.php

So you are trying to claim now antifa is not violent and that wasn't antifa in my picture because someone photochopped it?


ok then....


http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/350524-antifa-activists-say-violence-is-necessary
https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/...h4trump-berkeley-with-pepper-spray-fireworks/
http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/25/f...ted-for-antifa-bike-lock-attacks-in-berkeley/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-went-looking-for-him/?utm_term=.55f84e1b326c (I know you were all upset they "Doxxed" the guy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.5ffa8d6f2262
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/27/right-and-left-facing-off-as-berkeley-protests-turn-tense.html
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/234627
https://70news.wordpress.com/2017/0...urine-and-feces-filled-balloons-at-riot-cops/
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/11/p...antifa-and-patriot-prayer-results-in-arrests/



ANTIFA are scum, as bad as the actual nazis, (They attack any right wing group).

It's ironic they are throwing poop, don't you agree?


IF you are a communist, or stand should to shoulder with a communist you are as bad as any nazi.

 

[HowardBThiname]

You can present fifty more articles just like that expressing disapproval with ANTIFA. Knock yourself out. But until you present an authoritative source on definitions stating what you claimed about what constituted fascism, its still you floundering badly unable to back up your definition which was proven over and over again false.



And you need new shoes because those old ones reek something awful.

Antifa, while they might employ some methods also employed by fascists, they can't really be called fascists because they are not in power. They have no ability to suppress freedom of speech on a large scale because of that. In the same vein, white nationalists cannot be reasonably called Nazis, because they, too, have no power to enforce their ideals.

Antifa would be better suited to being legally labeled a terrorist group because their actions are political and they result in people having to change their activities out of fear of violence.

 

[Moot]

So you are trying to claim now antifa is not violent and that wasn't antifa in my picture because someone photochopped it?


ok then....


Antifa activists say violence is necessary | TheHill
https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/...h4trump-berkeley-with-pepper-spray-fireworks/
Former College Prof Arrested For Antifa Bike- | The Daily Caller
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-went-looking-for-him/?utm_term=.55f84e1b326c (I know you were all upset they "Doxxed" the guy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.5ffa8d6f2262
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/27/right-and-left-facing-off-as-berkeley-protests-turn-tense.html
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/234627
https://70news.wordpress.com/2017/0...urine-and-feces-filled-balloons-at-riot-cops/
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/11/p...antifa-and-patriot-prayer-results-in-arrests/



ANTIFA are scum, as bad as the actual nazis, (They attack any right wing group).

It's ironic they are throwing poop, don't you agree?


IF you are a communist, or stand should to shoulder with a communist you are as bad as any nazi.

No. I was just pointing out there are a lot of Alt-right fakers out there.

Posting the same story about the bike lock guy over and over doesn't quite prove what you think it does.

If you feel the need to use fakery and exaggeration to make your case....then maybe you don't have a case at all.

Real communists, if they even exist, are so few and far between in the US that I'm not going to worry about standing next to one. Can you say the same about white supremacists and the Alt-right?

 

[OpportunityCost]

No. I was just pointing out there are a lot of Alt-right fakers out there.

Posting the same story about the bike lock guy over and over doesn't quite prove what you think it does.

If you feel the need to use fakery and exaggeration to make your case....then maybe you don't have a case at all.

Real communists, if they even exist, are so few and far between in the US that I'm not going to worry about standing next to one. Can you say the same about white supremacists and the Alt-right?

I don't think so Moot, at least I know I wont be apologizing for one the way you are. I know both Antifa and white supremacists are scum.

 

[wellwisher]

Freedom of speech requires emotional, psychological and intellectual maturity. If one is deficit in any of these areas, freedom of speech may be too much for you to handle, since your brain is not completely right and may distort reality and overreact to fantasy.

For example, Gay pride, black pride and white pride are all the same thing at some level. They all reflect people defining themselves based on narrow superficial criteria. None of these do justice to the person underneath that their mother would know. If you can accept any of these, you should be able to accept them all, since they are all functionally the same. The irrational person may not be able to see this common thread; mask.

Say you had a Nazi, Rebel or Gay Pride Flag; none of these flags can be proven to be portals to the other side, which direct the spirits of the dead, to reincarnate among those who stand near that flag. That would be irrational. The past is the past and cannot be transmigrated to the present through flag spirit portals. Those standing next to such flags, should be judged by their own actions, and not the reincarnated spirits of the past who represent the worse case scenarios to support irrational arguments.

The modern idea of freedom of speech was established by those who wrote the Constitution of the USA. To conceptualize the possibility of free speech implied the founding fathers were mature emotionally, psychologically and intellectually. If not, they would have set PC standards, since all types of thought scenarios would have bothered one or more of them; become grouchy, afraid and angry all the time. They were healthy.

If you analyze the historical time for the conception of modern free speech, only the men voted, paid taxes, and spoke up in public. Women, children and slaves could not vote, did not pay taxes, and were limited in public speech. Although, art home, the wife had freedom of speech with her husband and with other women. It was different for the children. They spoke when spoken too until maturity was reached.

The maturity standard, behind the original freedom of speech concept, was connected to self sufficient adult men. It was also connected to British and Christian traditions, since the founding fathers had connections to variations of both. The Brits were/are noted for their calm control over emotions; stiff upper lip. They were not the fly off the handle type. They were expected to think before acting on emotions. Christianity taught love your enemy; accept the free speech of others even if you disagree. It also taught turn the other cheek; be patient and don't let it get to you. Listen even if you don't agree while not letting it bother you so you can think it through before acting. There is recipe for success when it comes to free speech.

In modern times, other recipes are used that have stripped away many or most of original layers until most fall short of the gold standard. The left is the furtherest away and is a good example of what does not work. The left is more atheist and cannot turn the other cheek or love the enemy so it can remain calm. It is not Brit, but more latino, who can be hot blooded. It is not male, since male is evil and needs to be more feminized. It is not adult since marketing is geared toward youth and not maturity. The result is they may need safe places or PC fortifications.

The proper attitude for free speech is sports. In sports, you play hard and do your best, for yourself, your team and your fans. But you are friends with your opponents when you are done; shake hands. In competition nobody gets hurt, accept by accident. Speech is not war. The fans can take sides but they appreciate a good play by the opponents.

 

[jet57]

Countries declare states of war. If Antifa wishes to declare a state of war with the US, they can be treated as such. My god what a dishonest argument you are making. They are not a country in itself, they are not a system of government, they are not insurgents, they are not even disenfranchised (except by choice). They are choosing violence over the ballot box to achieve a political goal, that is a hallmark trait of fascist activity, unless of course you prefer terrorism.

It is not the hallmark of fascism unless you want to include the founders of this country as fascists, which of course means that the US was founded as a fascist country... You can include the Irish and the Scots and the Catholic church while you're at it.

 

[OpportunityCost]

It is not the hallmark of fascism unless you want to include the founders of this country as fascists, which of course means that the US was founded as a fascist country... You can include the Irish and the Scots and the Catholic church while you're at it.

Someone thinks Colonial America is analogous to current America as far as representation. Its not, false argument.

 

[jet57]

Someone thinks Colonial America is analogous to current America as far as representation. Its not, false argument.

I never said anything of the kind; I showed you how your definition of fascism is wrong.

 

[OpportunityCost]

I never said anything of the kind; I showed you how your definition of fascism is wrong.

You reached back and made a comparison of Colonial America. The only way you get anywhere is by ignoring context. Context is important because my definition is in context with describing Antifa.

 

[William Rea]

You reached back and made a comparison of Colonial America. The only way you get anywhere is by ignoring context. Context is important because my definition is in context with describing Antifa.

No. Modern day armed forces use violence and intimidation to achieve political aims. By your definition they are fascist.

 

[OpportunityCost]

No. Modern day armed forces use violence and intimidation to achieve political aims. By your definition they are fascist.

Nope. What are they intending to do? What political aims do they have? Is war declared?

Devil is in the details, you are trying to discredit the idea by widening it to absurdity. Which fallacy is that again?

 

[William Rea]

Nope. What are they intending to do? What political aims do they have? Is war declared?

Devil is in the details, you are trying to discredit the idea by widening it to absurdity. Which fallacy is that again?

No. It fits the definition exactly as you stated it. If you want to revise the definition that is fine, just don't pretend otherwise and try to pile in on people for responding exactly to what you post. What your definition would now appear to include is intent so, in the same context that you are trying to use, I say that opposing fascism is a good intention which justifies at least intimidation, just as it justifies opposing extreme right wing Islamic fascism.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

No. I was just pointing out there are a lot of Alt-right fakers out there.

Posting the same story about the bike lock guy over and over doesn't quite prove what you think it does.

If you feel the need to use fakery and exaggeration to make your case....then maybe you don't have a case at all.

Real communists, if they even exist, are so few and far between in the US that I'm not going to worry about standing next to one. Can you say the same about white supremacists and the Alt-right?

Look you can make excuses for people who stand with people holding murderous regime's flags (hammer and sickle), fact is, this make you no better than one making excuses for actual nazis.

 

[jet57]

You reached back and made a comparison of Colonial America. The only way you get anywhere is by ignoring context. Context is important because my definition is in context with describing Antifa.

Nope, I showed you how ridiculous your definition of fascism is.

Read it again; maybe you'll get it this time.

 

[Moot]

Look you can make excuses for people who stand with people holding murderous regime's flags (hammer and sickle), fact is, this make you no better than one making excuses for actual nazis.

Then I hope for your sake that you're not standing with the Alt right and Nazi's.



If you're interested, this is a good podcast about the Proud Boys... (note: it will be available after 7pm today).

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/626/white-haze?act=1

 

[jet57]

Look you can make excuses for people who stand with people holding murderous regime's flags (hammer and sickle), fact is, this make you no better than one making excuses for actual nazis.

Ya'know, just as an aside; there are people in this world who could hold up our flag as a "murderous regime flag" and they could prove it.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Nope, I showed you how ridiculous your definition of fascism is.

Read it again; maybe you'll get it this time.

Try to stay in context, maybe you will get the definition applies to individuals and small groups, not countries. You still don't get it.