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Ann Coulter vows to speak at UC Berkeley after school calls off event

You meant to say southern conservatives .

No, I meant exactly what I said. We had a civil war to put a stop to racist Democratic Party ideals of treating Blacks like sub-humans. That hatred reared it's head again when Democrats rallied behind Hillary Clinton who was supported Barry Goldwater, and laws in the 90's the involved mass incarceration of Blacks. Then Hillary followed that by stating that Black youths need to be brought to heel because many of them were super predators. This racial hatred is what motivated the Democratic Party to support Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders.
 
No, I meant exactly what I said. We had a civil war to put a stop to racist Democratic Party ideals of treating Blacks like sub-humans. That hatred reared it's head again when Democrats rallied behind Hillary Clinton who was supported Barry Goldwater, and laws in the 90's the involved mass incarceration of Blacks. Then Hillary followed that by stating that Black youths need to be brought to heel because many of them were super predators. This racial hatred is what motivated the Democratic Party to support Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders.

vivid imagination you have there--who did African Americans support in the Demicratic primary--

Remember when Ted nugent called Obama a subhuman mongrel--Ted just visited the White House and trump .
 
what exactly is her stupid $()#)#+?

btw her credentials are far higher than most of the leftwinger talking heads that whine about her. Yeah, she is a bomb thrower but that is sometimes needed to blast down the walls of idiocy that the fascist left has constructed.

I shouldn't have to say that a lot of nonsense comes out of Ann Coulter's mouth. She's a provocateur; it's her thing.

I don't care what her "credentials" are.
 
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vivid imagination you have there--who did African Americans support in the Demicratic primary--

Remember when Ted nugent called Obama a subhuman mongrel--Ted just visited the White House and trump .

That some Blacks vote for the same party that hates them is irrelevant to the fact that Democratic Party establishment have for over 100 years hated Black people.
 
This isn't necessarily supposed to be about "liberals" or "conservatives" or the Democrats and Republicans. The Republocrat party structure is one of big government, big war, big interventionism, big brother policy. It's neither here nor there for the context of this thread, other than perhaps the fact that the branches of the Republocrat party working towards the same end, we being entrenched somehow in it, unable to escape, may be one of the fundamentals that fuels the hyperpartisan behavior in this country that is leading to this closing down of open public discourse, of respecting the rights of others, and public civility.

I would prefer we keep the ridiculous partisanship out.

And while I cannot stand Ann Coulter, I am happy to hear that she will try to speak and that she should be given a venue to speak, and those who do not like her are free to protest but not to enact violence.

We have a problem, and it exists on both sides of the isle, where we just aren't listening any more. Some of the responses in this thread are proof to this. It's immediately pointing the fingers at the other side and saying "it's all their fault, look what they do, this is why we cannot have nice things." And while I do agree that the violence seems to come more from the "left" than the "right" it's not to say that the "right" doesn't engage in violence at all nor that they have no share in the blame. The hyperpartisan ignorance saturates both sides, and so long as we allow ourselves to wallow in that ignorance, there will be no change.

it's not just the left's fault, and it's not just the right's fault. It's all our faults actually, we collectively are the ones that allowed things to get this way. We're the ones that engage in this behavior and promote and proliferate it, we're the ones that encourage the destruction of open discourse and debate. And now we're seeing some rather nasty side-effects from this. We have the rise of antifa that are promoting and engaging in violence during protest. We have nothing but finger pointing while the establishment that drives the difficulties and problems is allowed to persist because we cannot evaluate our own side, it must always be the problem with the other side. So more and more government, more and more war, more and more corporate collusion, more and more violence; and we're all at fault. It's time to quit pointing the fingers and start accepting some responsibility because without doing that, we're not going to fix the issue.

In the short term, particularly as it relates to antifa, we're going to need to kick up policing. Protest and Free Speech still need to occur, we have to have these things, but we cannot have violent groups running around using the crowds as cover for their violence. They need to be de-masked, and any engaging in violence need to be arrested and jailed. There are consequences for infringing upon the rights of others. But the long term solution is going to be harder because we're going to have to give up our convenient bins we use to categorize, we're going to have to give up the abject dismissal of those who aren't in our bin, we're going to have to accept some responsibility for the situation we're in, we're going to have to at least engage in discussion and bipartisan compromise, we're going to have to educate our younger generations on the proper course of civility and engaging in civics. We're not going to get any of this if we keep up the partisan ignorance.
 
I shouldn't have to say that a lot of nonsense comes out of Ann Coulter's mouth. She's a provocateur; it's her thing.

I don't care what her "credentials" are.

I agree. Let the Coulters and Milos spew their hateful crud so that it's out there, loud and proud. Protesting is fine, but this violent nonsense helps attract far more attention than either deserve and engenders sympathy. Both revel in the chaos they create.

I would say, don't give them the time of day to even peacefully protest, but I honor the right to protest, and for people to speak in public. We don't have to like what they say, but they have the right to speak since both were invited. That principle is worth more than the whatever the jerks who start the violence get out of it. Which I suspect is similar to Coulter and Milo, chaos.
 
LOL. Your political messiah Trump was a liberal for nearly his entire life until it became convenient for him not to be. The fact that he fooled a bunch of low information right wing dolts into thinking he's some type of conservative champion is on you guys, not liberals. And neither Coulter or Trump have beat anyone at anything other than conning rubes into falling for their garbage race baiting rhetoric.

He fooled only the fools on the Left. He is doing exactly what he campaigned on and making changes that are rectifying the massive damage done by Obama. Yes, they are both beating the Left at their own game. Naysayers are just jealous, butt hurt, fools.

"leftists" weren't the originators of the KKK. Why lie about it?

Who cares about the KKK today? I don't. For that matter, I never did.

The right wing are experts at revisionist history. MLK was a conservative, and so was Abraham Lincoln. The KKK was liberal. These are popular beliefs among right wing circles.

Silly that.

She's a product of affirmative action.

Hardly. Now that, is revisionist history! :lamo
Coulter is smarter than many on this forum.

See below.

really? she was a top student in HS that earned her admission into a top drawer college-Cornell. At Cornell she earned honors grades and had a very high LSAT score. that got her admission into one of the most prestigious law schools in the USA-U of Michigan (getting into Michigan as a non resident is no easy feat-I know several people admitted to Harvard and two to Yale who did not get into Michigan). At Michigan she made order of the coif and the law review. I don't believe U of M had affirmative action in terms of grades or law review based on grades but she may have had a break getting into Michigan as a woman-that is something I cannot state one way or the other though I know other people with similar resumes from Cornell who got into Michigan and other similar law schools who were male.

Then she was a clerk for the Circuit court of appeals-a normal achievement for a law review editor from a top ten law school. and from that a Justice Dept. Honors Hire.

so that is a pretty good resume for a political commentator-way ahead of most of the others

Yes, yes and yes.
 
I shouldn't have to say that a lot of nonsense comes out of Ann Coulter's mouth. She's a provocateur; it's her thing.

I don't care what her "credentials" are.

she certainly likes stirring the pot and goading the moonbats but claiming she is stupid is really



stupid
 
she certainly likes stirring the pot and goading the moonbats but claiming she is stupid is really



stupid

what is especially stupid is referring to her as an intellectual, despite the videos proving otherwise
 
George Wallace gave a speech at UCLA in the 1960s. You can listen to the recording of it on YouTube. The students are totally respectful, and he's able to give his speech without a problem. Have we moved so far that we can't even allow Ann Coulter to speak, who is comparatively far less radical?
 
what is especially stupid is referring to her as an intellectual, despite the videos proving otherwise

She is one smart cookie. What was stupid the past 8 years was believing that Obama was an intellectual! :lamo
He is nothing more than a race baiter.

George Wallace gave a speech at UCLA in the 1960s. You can listen to the recording of it on YouTube. The students are totally respectful, and he's able to give his speech without a problem. Have we moved so far that we can't even allow Ann Coulter to speak, who is comparatively far less radical?

No kidding. But then you have to look back at the times. People had respect, even for racist, back in those days. Today, for the parents and so called educators, teaching morals, is non-existent. Watching teachers on the picket lines, is a case study in disrespect and lack of morals.
 
Other than every major democrat run city in the country, blacks leading the country in every misery index category, the devastation of black families...

nah....

and yet, you failed to prove your assertion that "leftists" started the kkk...

And please tell me, what would life long Democrat Trump do for black voters?
 
He fooled only the fools on the Left. He is doing exactly what he campaigned on and making changes that are rectifying the massive damage done by Obama. Yes, they are both beating the Left at their own game. Naysayers are just jealous, butt hurt, fools.

Nah, he hasn't really done anything. And as his approval ratings continue to be in the gutter, chances are the establishment GOP will abandon him and will try everything to bring Pence to the presidency, which is what they ultimately want any way.

Your political messiah is going down, and you know it.


Who cares about the KKK today? I don't. For that matter, I never did.

Considering they are part of Trump's base, perhaps Trump does. Then again, I don't think he cares about any of the nimrods who voted for him.




B]Hardly.[/B] Now that, is revisionist history! :lamo
Coulter is smarter than many on this forum.

See below.

She may be smarter than your average Trump voter, but she's still an affirmative action hack who's only relevant because she uses race to sell books. Basically a white female conservative version of AL Sharpton.
 
George Wallace gave a speech at UCLA in the 1960s. You can listen to the recording of it on YouTube. The students are totally respectful, and he's able to give his speech without a problem. Have we moved so far that we can't even allow Ann Coulter to speak, who is comparatively far less radical?

Because nobody really gives a crap about what Coulter has to say. Her (and Wallace) type of conservatism has been thoroughly rejected.

Hell, even Trump and his minions don't give a crap about Coulter.
 
I agree. Let the Coulters and Milos spew their hateful crud so that it's out there, loud and proud. Protesting is fine, but this violent nonsense helps attract far more attention than either deserve and engenders sympathy. Both revel in the chaos they create.

I would say, don't give them the time of day to even peacefully protest, but I honor the right to protest, and for people to speak in public. We don't have to like what they say, but they have the right to speak since both were invited. That principle is worth more than the whatever the jerks who start the violence get out of it. Which I suspect is similar to Coulter and Milo, chaos.

Ann Coulter spews hate? Care to give some examples?
 
Because nobody really gives a crap about what Coulter has to say. Her (and Wallace) type of conservatism has been thoroughly rejected.

Hell, even Trump and his minions don't give a crap about Coulter.
Ann Coulter and 'her type of conservatism' has been rejected? Says who? And what is 'her type' of conservatism?
 
Ann Coulter and 'her type of conservatism' has been rejected? Says who? And what is 'her type' of conservatism?

white nationalism.
 
Ann Coulter vows to speak at UC Berkeley - CNN.com


I’ll preface everything by stating that I hate Ann Coulter’s methodology. I view her as the instigator type, that is those who say absurd and outrageous things specifically to elicit an emotional reaction in both supporters and distractors because by doing so, it creates attention, coverage, and sells books. So on some level, I take her as an actor, playing this part in order to make money. Not that there is really anything wrong with making money, but it’s more to do that her style isn’t there to promote any sort of discussion, but rather reaction; a reaction specifically tailored to sell. It’s part and parcel to America’s “drama first” consumption trends these day.

That being said, she should go and seek to make her speech regardless of Berkley because it’s important that we keep free speech open and that we engage in it. Now I do think that the University is between a rock and a hard place. Given the antics as of late, particularly by the Antifa assholes. That organization was, long ago, some anti-fascist organization, but is now the fascists themselves. Terrorists even, on some level, using violence and fear to shut down the free exercise of rights. And so the University now has to look at the safety of their campus and consider what these guys will do. I don’t think the University itself is actively trying to undercut free speech, but that they know that there is going to be violent reaction and they need to time to secure the police force and venue necessary to best protect against it.

But it feels a bit too much like giving into terrorist demands, that by not letting Coulter on campus, it legitimizes their use of violence. This is all wrong. The rights and liberties of the individual, of all individuals, is important and must be upheld. The right to speech and the right to protest alike. But we must abide by the rights of others, and the use of violence to oppose the free exercise of rights cannot be tolerated. But what’s the University to do?

We could just carte blanche increase police protection for these events for the time being. That would cost money, but hopefully we would be driving the system to more reasonable ends in the interim. We could increase policing as well, meaning that we pursue aggressive policing/arresting strategies against groups known to cause violence. Typically for these things the police will stand back somewhat, try to keep the peace, and try to stay out of it unless necessary. This isn’t a bad strategy when rational heads prevail, but as of late rational heads do not seem to be prevailing.

Fundamentally, what is even the cause of this? I think it’s true that we see this sort of violence acted out by “leftist” sides more so than “rightist”, but what happened? Even Berkley back in the day was a champion for Free Speech, and they meant it as such, as an environment where all sides could discuss their ideals and arguments. But it has since moved away, and rather quickly in very recent times. Since the 90’s we have been falling, it seems, into more and more partisan roles. When Reagan and Clinton were in charge, cooperation between the R’s and the D’s wasn’t unheard of. In fact, bipartisanship was often championed (under Clinton it was likely starting to close down, though). But since we have seen, I think, a dramatic shift in the politics and a particular rise in hyper-partisan behavior. To the point now where “bipartisanship” is neigh a dirty word. Is the violence we see now emerging a symptom of that?

Surely Trump is not to blame, per say, but he is certainly a divisive figure, more so than any we’ve had previously. But perhaps that too is a symptom and not the root cause. In fact, I’m inclined to think it is.

Why, then, the sudden shift from open discussion and bipartisan compromise to this inflexible, aggressive, and partisan mindset? How can we fix it?

I agree that she is an instigator, and I agree that it is very sad that the country is so divided today. On one hand, I am happy to see somebody so committed to speaking despite the issues, but I don't think Ann Coulter is the right person to put up this kind of fight. She is so partisan. I don't think a lot of republicans agree with her. I kind of wish the Republican students could find a more moderate person, somebody who could really cross the divide.
 
This should be good. ;)

She, no doubt, says things that they hate to hear - does that count?

No it doesn't. But perhaps that is the problem. To liberals, hate speech is things they hate to hear.
 
She was Milo before Milo turned it up to 13 and really milked that method of money making and media playing. Maybe now that Milo's franchise been killed (at least for now) by it's own, inevitable over-reach, Coulter thinks she can rebuild an audience.

FWIW, didn't Morton Downy Jr. start this spittle-mouth, ranting approach to political "discourse"?
 
Coulter has every right to speak and the violent actions of those protesting are deplorable, however if the Berkeley community and administration do now want Coulter or any speaker then she should not speak at Berkeley. She has every right to speak but people have right tot protest it and no where in the constitution doe sit say the government must provide a platform for people to speak.

I agree.

I also think it is kind of weird that Berkley is already saying there is security concern. Do they know for sure there will be violence, or are they worried they can't contain massive protests and possible violence? If students become violent at protests, they should definitely be suspended to curb future issues.
 
white nationalism.

Coulter is a white nationalist? Says who? I have heard that said of Trump, yet he won the presidency. So its fairly hard for you to make the argument that 'white nationalism' has been rejected. Or that it even played a role in the election
 
She was Milo before Milo turned it up to 13 and really milked that method of money making and media playing. Maybe now that Milo's franchise been killed (at least for now) by it's own, inevitable over-reach, Coulter thinks she can rebuild an audience.

FWIW, didn't Morton Downy Jr. start this spittle-mouth, ranting approach to political "discourse"?

Ann Coulter is the right wing version of Rachel Maddow. Except Coulter is funny, intelligent, is an author and can get an audience.
 
No it doesn't. But perhaps that is the problem. To liberals, hate speech is things they hate to hear.

That seems to be the case but getting folks to see it that way is not likely.
 
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