And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments [W:744]

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

You call for facts when you haven't even posted anything either, so your claims are just as hallow as you claim mine to be.

"The right to refuse service" has been a standard for businesses here in the states for a long time and they only are required to give service when it comes to accommodations, such as motels and any other business that offers rooms for rent. This is a bakery that offers no such service.

If you think that its correct to walk into a conservative establishment and force them to cater to a function that goes against their beliefs. Then I guess you have no issue with someone going into a Muslim owned deli, placing a side of pork on the counter and telling them to make you a ham sandwich.

Which by your estimations would be completely okay it seems.

https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/the-right-to-refuse-service-business-owners-and-gay-marriage/
damn links breaking

1.) You call for facts when you haven't even posted anything either, so your claims are just as hallow as you claim mine to be.
2.)"The right to refuse service" has been a standard for businesses here in the states for a long time and they only are required to give service when it comes to accommodations, such as motels and any other business that offers rooms for rent. This is a bakery that offers no such service.

3.)If you think that its correct to walk into a conservative establishment and force them to cater to a function that goes against their beliefs.
4.) Then I guess you have no issue with someone going into a Muslim owned deli, placing a side of pork on the counter and telling them to make you a ham sandwich.
5.)Which by your estimations would be completely okay it seems.
6.)https://www.learnliberty.org/blog/the-right-to-refuse-service-business-owners-and-gay-marriage/
damn links breaking

1.) why do you post so many lies, I did post facts and you lying about that doesn’t make them magically go away LMAO
2.) wow thank you for proving to us all you are severely uneducated about this topic. "right to refuse service" has NOTHING to do with this. DO you seriously know that little about this topic? Are you really from the united states?
Quick question do you think "right to refuse service" allows a person to not serve blacks or Christians or women?
Hint: no it doesn't, please just stop and educate your self about this topic. If you disagree by all please post facts and links that show right to refuse service tops illegal discrimination and equal rights, we would LOVE to read it. Send it to the courts that already ruled against the baker in this case too lol
3.) nobody is forcing them please stop with the retarded lies im christian myself and ZERO of my religious rights are violated by illegal discrimination and public access laws ZERO. Disagree? post the ones that are violated and prove it, thanks!
4.) thats not how delis work LMAO and it doesnt matter who it is, christian like myself, Muslims, jewish people etc we dont get special treatment and get to break the law because of our feelings we have to play by the same rules as everybody else. None of use are allowed to illegaly discriminate and or break laws that govern our business.
5.) factually not true thats just another retarded strawman you tried and it failed for all to see
6.) ?????? what in THAT article do you think is fact and supports any of your destroyed lies about THIS case?:shock:

i cant wait to read your answers, this is awesome

Fact remains this is discrimination based on facts, definitions and current laws
I will ask you again if you disagree present ONE fact that shows other wise . . ONE, thanks

opcorn2:

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

1.) Its funny that no one has realize, when you force someone to do something against their will.
2.) It is also considered a violation of your personal rights and while the couple had every right to go to another business, seeing as its the baker who would actually be losing out by not giving them their requested service.

This form of grandstanding is taking place and will most likely mar the bakers business in a horrible stain for some time, if not eventually forcing it to close.

1.) accept the fact nobody is forced so your false claim completely fails before it even starts. disagree? then prove theres factual force LMAO
2.) no personal rights were violated, disagree list them and factually prove it

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

1.) accept the fact nobody is forced so your false claim completely fails before it even starts. disagree? then prove theres factual force LMAO
2.) no personal rights were violated, disagree list them and factually prove it

If they attempt to force a business to commit a service that they would not otherwise do, is an actual breach of their personal rights.

Your calls for facts, when you continue to run your own argument into the ground. Has become a rather laughable topic in my office at this point.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

1.)If they attempt to force a business to commit a service that they would not otherwise do, is an actual breach of their personal rights.
2.)Your calls for facts, when you continue to run your own argument into the ground. Has become a rather laughable topic in my office at this point.

1.) what force? who is being forced? what service do they not do? seems you keep avoiding this question (and all the others when i asked you for proof LMAO)
2.) translation you are still dodging all my questions and your post continue to get destroyed.

now we are waiting what force? and dont forget the questions in post 551 you ran from, try not to dodge it this time

opcorn2:

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

1.) why do you post so many lies, I did post facts and you lying about that doesn’t make them magically go away LMAO
2.) wow thank you for proving to us all you are severely uneducated about this topic. "right to refuse service" has NOTHING to do with this. DO you seriously know that little about this topic? Are you really from the united states?
Quick question do you think "right to refuse service" allows a person to not serve blacks or Christians or women?
Hint: no it doesn't, please just stop and educate your self about this topic. If you disagree by all please post facts and links that show right to refuse service tops illegal discrimination and equal rights, we would LOVE to read it. Send it to the courts that already ruled against the baker in this case too lol
3.) nobody is forcing them please stop with the retarded lies im christian myself and ZERO of my religious rights are violated by illegal discrimination and public access laws ZERO. Disagree? post the ones that are violated and prove it, thanks!
4.) thats not how delis work LMAO and it doesnt matter who it is, christian like myself, Muslims, jewish people etc we dont get special treatment and get to break the law because of our feelings we have to play by the same rules as everybody else. None of use are allowed to illegaly discriminate and or break laws that govern our business.
5.) factually not true thats just another retarded strawman you tried and it failed for all to see
6.) ?????? what in THAT article do you think is fact and supports any of your destroyed lies about THIS case?:shock:

i cant wait to read your answers, this is awesome

Fact remains this is discrimination based on facts, definitions and current laws
I will ask you again if you disagree present ONE fact that shows other wise . . ONE, thanks

opcorn2:

Are you really this immature, or are you trolling me for the hell of it. That is an actual question by the way Though you did not answer my last question and the horrendous makeup of your post are both making my co-workers and I rather irritated.

Keep some coherency if you please.

You can call me a liar and insult me all you want, but it does not change the fact that they have the right to make such a decision.

"You also did not answer my last question" So am I to take it that you are perfectly fine with someone ordering prepared pork meal from a traditional Muslim establishment?

This is a case for religious freedom and they should not be punished for at least adhering to their beliefs in such a civilized manner.
They did not kick the couple out, they didn't berate or threaten them. They didn't even say the would no longer serve the couple as a business anymore. They merely refused to cater a cake for a gay wedding, which they have a right to do when it comes to rationalizing their beliefs with their current situation.

This is just you badgering someone with a different opinion. No matter how morally stunted your own world view seems to be.

How can this country be inclusive, if its actively discriminating against individuals based on their faith?

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

1.) what force? who is being forced? what service do they not do? seems you keep avoiding this question (and all the others when i asked you for proof LMAO)
2.) translation you are still dodging all my questions and your post continue to get destroyed.

now we are waiting what force? and dont forget the questions in post 551 you ran from, try not to dodge it this time

opcorn2:

Legal force of course, or are you unaware that this decision has been brought into its own legal system.

Once again you are repeatedly running your own post into he ground.

But go ahead, we still like a good laugh.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

Are you really this immature, or are you trolling me for the hell of it. That is an actual question by the way Though you did not answer my last question and the horrendous makeup of your post are both making my co-workers and I rather irritated.

Keep some coherency if you please.

You can call me a liar and insult me all you want, but it does not change the fact that they have the right to make such a decision.

"You also did not answer my last question" So am I to take it that you are perfectly fine with someone ordering prepared pork meal from a traditional Muslim establishment?

This is a case for religious freedom and they should not be punished for at least adhering to their beliefs in such a civilized manner.
They did not kick the couple out, they didn't berate or threaten them. They didn't even say the would no longer serve the couple as a business anymore. They merely refused to cater a cake for a gay wedding, which they have a right to do when it comes to rationalizing their beliefs with their current situation.

This is just you badgering someone with a different opinion. No matter how morally stunted your own world view seems to be.

How can this country be inclusive, if its actively discriminating against individuals based on their faith?

more dodging and ZERO answers to my questions LMAO thats what I thought!
facts, rights, laws, definitions and court cases > than your proven wrong wrong lies and feelings

Once again when you have any facts, or even ONE fact that supports your proven wrong claims please present them thanks!

opcorn2:

Who wants to bet my earlier questions are dodged again?

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

1.)Legal force of course, or are you unaware that this decision has been brought into its own legal system.
2.)Once again you are repeatedly running your own post into he ground.
3.)But go ahead, we still like a good laugh.

1.) ill do my best to educate you and show you how you are factually wrong but no promises if you refuse facts that on you
legal force? force to do what though? force who?what service do they not do? . . please try to keep up and stop dodging or just admit your claims are wrong lol
2.) nope facts are still winning and owning your every post and your claims are still losing LMAO
3.) glady i love destroying lies and retarded false claims like yous

now answer my questions, ill repost since so you font get lose

legal force, force to do what though?
force who?
what service do they not do (according to you)?

opcorn2:

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

more dodging and ZERO answers to my questions LMAO thats what I thought!
facts, rights, laws, definitions and court cases > than your proven wrong wrong lies and feelings

Once again when you have any facts, or even ONE fact that supports your proven wrong claims please present them thanks!

opcorn2:

Who wants to bet my earlier questions are dodged again?

And yet you apparently love to dodge as well, not to mention moving the damn goal post all the time.

Please grow the hell up.

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

1.) ill do my best to educate you and show you how you are factually wrong but no promises if you refuse facts that on you
legal force? force to do what though? force who?what service do they not do? . . please try to keep up and stop dodging or just admit your claims are wrong lol
2.) nope facts are still winning and owning your every post and your claims are still losing LMAO
3.) glady i love destroying lies and retarded false claims like yous

now answer my questions, ill repost since so you font get lose

legal force, force to do what though?
force who?
what service do they not do (according to you)?

opcorn2:

Please read the OP if you are lost on the topic.

Which its obvious that you constantly are.

Goodbye and please, grow up.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

And yet you apparently love to dodge as well, not to mention moving the damn goal post all the time.

Please grow the hell up.

Hey look more dodging and more lies but ZERO answers to my questions Very telling.
ZERO goal posts were moved, dissagreee qoute me moving goal posts, you cant causer its a lie LMAO

Let me know when you have ONE fact that supports your proven wrong claims, thanks!

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

Please read the OP if you are lost on the topic.

Which its obvious that you constantly are.

Goodbye and please, grow up.

BOOM! another dodge thats what I thought! good move, run away since your posts are getting destroyed you cant support the lies you got caught posting.

when you are ready to post honestly and with integrity dont forget to answer the like 10+ questions you dodged and please let us know when you have one fact that make your claims true, thanks!

start with these

legal force, force to do what though?
force who?
what service do they not do (according to you)?

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

Hey look more dodging and more lies but ZERO answers to my questions Very telling.
ZERO goal posts were moved, dissagreee qoute me moving goal posts, you cant causer its a lie LMAO

Let me know when you have ONE fact that supports your proven wrong claims, thanks!

BOOM! another dodge thats what I thought! good move, run away since your posts are getting destroyed you cant support the lies you got caught posting.

when you are ready to post honestly and with integrity dont forget to answer the like 10+ questions you dodged and please let us know when you have one fact that make your claims true, thanks!

start with these

legal force, force to do what though?
force who?
what service do they not do (according to you)?

Alright, I'll bite and we can give you another chance to prove your not just a troll.

What question is it that you would like me to answer?
Put it down right here for the rest of the thread to read. Clear, concise and hopefully coherent.

You have the floor.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

Alright, I'll bite and we can give you another chance to prove your not just a troll.

What question is it that you would like me to answer?
Put it down right here for the rest of the thread to read. Clear, concise and hopefully coherent.

You have the floor.

LMAO i love your desperation to save face (hint: its to late your posts already lost this is just me kicking your posts while they are down), this is going to be fun!
Here we go

You said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what?
I asked you who is being "forced"?
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to?

opcorn2:

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

LMAO i love your desperation to save face (hint: its to late your posts already lost this is just me kicking your posts while they are down), this is going to be fun!
Here we go

You said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what?
I asked you who is being "forced"?
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to?

oporn2:

Bringing the call before a justice "in this case" Kennedy, is one case of being brought under legal purview. He could force the bakery to serve the couple, or face a fine, even possible jail time if they do not submit to that choice. It is highly rare, but for someone with his history such an action is to be expected as possible.

The owners of the bakery in this case would be the ones being forced if this happens.

Understand yet?

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

He could force the bakery to serve the couple.

The owners of the bakery in this case would be the ones being forced if this happens.

Understand yet?

so you didnt answer everything LMAO again VERY telling.Ill ask AGAIN and follow up questions

You said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what? "Serve the couple"
I asked you who is being "forced"? "OWNERS"
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to?

answer the rest and stop dodging

also service the couple how or what?

opcorn2:

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

so you didnt answer everything LMAO again VERY telling.Ill ask AGAIN and follow up questions

You said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what? "Serve the couple"
I asked you who is being "forced"? "OWNERS"
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to?

answer the rest and stop dodging

also service the couple how or what?

opcorn2:

??? The case is about a Colorado based bakery that refused to cater a cake for a same sex couple. The decision was based off their religious standing, which is a freedom they have. ???

Did you not know what this issue was about?

This is a supreme court case for crying out loud. If the dice fall wrong they could be forced "by the court" to either complete the service. Pay a fine, or serve jail time.

Its a pretty clean cut issue here. Why are you making like its something else entirely?

Bakery does not bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple, the case goes to the court and we are currently waiting on the ruling.

No dodging on my part, this is what information is available if you have the inclination to go look.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

This is a supreme court case for crying out loud. If the dice fall wrong they could be forced "by the court" to either complete the service. Pay a fine, or serve jail time.

Bakery does not bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple, the case goes to the court and we are currently waiting on the ruling.

No dodging on my part, this is what information is available if you have the inclination to go look.

you sure do type alot of meanignless crap to try and hide your answers to simple questions, its almost like you think those deflections will work. LMAO they wont.

ou said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what? "Serve the couple"
I asked you who is being "forced"? "OWNERS"
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to? so they do wedding cakes but NOT wedding cakes for gays, got it
also service the couple how or what? A wedding cake

So why is this a supreme court case?
Why could this baker find himself fined?

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

you sure do type alot of meanignless crap to try and hide your answers to simple questions, its almost like you think those deflections will work. LMAO they wont.

ou said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what? "Serve the couple"
I asked you who is being "forced"? "OWNERS"
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to? so they do wedding cakes but NOT wedding cakes for gays, got it
also service the couple how or what? A wedding cake

So why is this a supreme court case?
Why could this baker find himself fined?

http://beta.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-court-gays-religion-20170626-story.html

Please read the above link, it can help fill it the information you are missing.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

A baker refused to make a cake for a gay couple due to religious beliefs. Supreme Court will rule on the case in fall - LA Times

Please read the above link, it can help fill it the information you are missing.

Nope i know all the answers already you dont though. you said i have the floor so im educating you and proving your lies to be wrong.
now stop dodging, man up and answer the questions or continue to run away further exposing your failed claims just like i knew you would LMAO

you said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what? "Serve the couple"
I asked you who is being "forced"? "OWNERS"
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to? so they do wedding cakes but NOT wedding cakes for gays, got it
also service the couple how or what? A wedding cake

So why is this a supreme court case?
Why could this baker find himself fined?

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

Nope i know all the answers already you dont though. you said i have the floor so im educating you and proving your lies to be wrong.
now stop dodging, man up and answer the questions or continue to run away further exposing your failed claims just like i knew you would LMAO

you said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what? "Serve the couple"
I asked you who is being "forced"? "OWNERS"
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to? so they do wedding cakes but NOT wedding cakes for gays, got it
also service the couple how or what? A wedding cake

So why is this a supreme court case?
Why could this baker find himself fined?

Yes, they were trying to force them to serve the same sex couple.

The owner of the bakery was the one being forced, so in response he withdrew from the market until his appeal to the order was done.

They have served gays and still do, the owner just did not want to cater a wedding cake for them based on his religious beliefs.

The panel ordered him to provide wedding cakes on an equal basis for same-sex couples.

Phillips appealed to the Supreme Court, arguing he deserved a religious exemption based on the 1st Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech and free exercise of religion. His lawyers say he refused to comply with the commission ruling while his appeal proceeded.

They said he had to create cakes for same sex couples "which he still does, just not wedding cakes" and in return he removed himself from the cake catering service alltogether.

STOP PLAYING DUMB

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

1.)Yes, they were trying to force them to serve the same sex couple.
2.)The owner of the bakery was the one being forced, so in response he withdrew from the market until his appeal to the order was done.
3.)They have served gays and still do, the owner just did not want to cater a wedding cake for them based on his religious beliefs.
4.)STOP PLAYING DUMB

1.) why? how can they do that?
2.) why?
3.) which is factually discrimination based on sexual orientation
4.) hey look another lie, nobody is playing dumb i said i know the answers to all these questions but they arent for me they are for you.

ill ask you AGAIN
So why is this a supreme court case?
Why could this baker find himself fined? Because he discriminated against gays

why cant he discriminate against gays?

I can do this all day because eventually you will learn your claims are factually wrong or your posts will continue to get more owned with each question, either way its a win win for me and facts.

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

1.) why? how can they do that?
2.) why?
3.) which is factually discrimination based on sexual orientation
4.) hey look another lie, nobody is playing dumb i said i know the answers to all these questions but they arent for me they are for you.

ill ask you AGAIN
So why is this a supreme court case?
Why could this baker find himself fined? Because he discriminated against gays

why cant he discriminate against gays?

I can do this all day because eventually you will learn your claims are factually wrong or your posts will continue to get more owned with each question, either way its a win win for me and facts.

Actually I am not learning anything I didn't already know.

I post information for you, you don't read it and claim its a lie.

I post you information I know as based on our first amendment rights, which you simple call a lie.

I answer your questions and you continue to rewrite them in the same sniveling manner that you have been doing all morning.

I have more then enough time for this, seeing as I work from a computer in well lit, climate controlled office.

Also my co-workers and a few other posters are getting more then a few kicks out of watching me repeatedly hammer you over the head with logic. Only for you to come crawling back, screaming lies in what has become your usual impotent rage.

You have been weighed, measured and found wanting... This will not end well for you and your one trick pony tactics.

 

[AGENT J]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

Actually I am not learning anything I didn't already know.

I post information for you, you don't read it and claim its a lie.

I post you information I know as based on our first amendment rights, which you simple call a lie.

I answer your questions and you continue to rewrite them in the same sniveling manner that you have been doing all morning.

I have more then enough time for this, seeing as I work from a computer in well lit, climate controlled office.

Also my co-workers and a few other posters are getting more then a few kicks out of watching me repeatedly hammer you over the head with logic. Only for you to come crawling back, screaming lies in what has become your usual impotent rage.

You have been weighed, measured and found wanting... This will not end well for you and your one trick pony tactics.

LMAO hey look you DODGE my questions AGAIN. Owning your posts is so easy i love it, its hilarious when people like you get caught lying and cant back up there proven wrong claims :lamo

Ill just review what you answered and ask my questions again

your answers
you said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what? "Serve the couple"
I asked you who is being "forced"? "OWNERS"
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to? so they do wedding cakes but NOT wedding cakes for gays, got it
also service the couple how or what? A wedding cake

Questions you dodged:
So why is this a supreme court case?
why cant he discriminate against gays?
why are they trying to fine him? how can they do that?
why did the baker withdrawal from the wedding cake market?

everytime you dodge it just further expose the failures of the lies you posted, now please answer, thanks!

opcorn2:

 

[Oborosen]

Re: And then they came for the bakers; Colorado Cake Oral Arguments Encouraging

LMAO hey look you DODGE my questions AGAIN. Owning your posts is so easy i love it, its hilarious when people like you get caught lying and cant back up there proven wrong claims :lamo

Ill just review what you answered and ask my questions again

your answers
you said legal force.
Im asking you legal force to do what? "Serve the couple"
I asked you who is being "forced"? "OWNERS"
You also mentioned a service they dont do, what service are you referring to? so they do wedding cakes but NOT wedding cakes for gays, got it
also service the couple how or what? A wedding cake

Questions you dodged:
So why is this a supreme court case?
why cant he discriminate against gays?
why are they trying to fine him? how can they do that?
why did the baker withdrawal from the wedding cake market?

everytime you dodge it just further expose the failures of the lies you posted, now please answer, thanks!

opcorn2:

Repeat #8 at this point I believe. :lamo

Already answered those questions, yet you just reword and then spew it back out.

I wonder if I can find a poster with some spine before my shift is through?

Its funny that you still play this childish game even though all of your questions have been answered and you have been called out. Makes me wonder just what kind of person sites behind that keyboard.

"For reference"
You have been a point of laughter "and some pity" by -
3 nurses, 2 nursing students, 1 doctor, 5 guards 1 patient and one very entertained physical therapist who keeps wondering why you still trudge on.