And, the Gun Violence Goes On

[VanceMack]

From the same article

"The shooting was across the street from the scene of a stabbing the night before in the parking lot between Koto and Subway. Police are still looking for the suspect in the stabbing, who they said was a female with jaw-length hair."

Gun control argument are the worst kind of cowardice. They ignore the actual problems in the communities because those making the arguments are unwilling to actually address the problem, primarily because they dont give a **** about the perpetrators OR the victims. All they care about is using victims to further their cause...regardless of the facts.

 

[calamity]

From the same article

"The shooting was across the street from the scene of a stabbing the night before in the parking lot between Koto and Subway. Police are still looking for the suspect in the stabbing, who they said was a female with jaw-length hair."

Gun control argument are the worst kind of cowardice. They ignore the actual problems in the communities because those making the arguments are unwilling to actually address the problem, primarily because they dont give a **** about the perpetrators OR the victims. All they care about is using victims to further their cause...regardless of the facts.

Note the stabbing attack at the Hanukkah party in NY over the Christmas holidays had zero fatalities, even though five were stabbed and seriously injured. If that was a gun assault, like we saw in Harris County Texas on Christmas Eve, there would be at least five dead.

In case this sailed over anyone's head: Guns are far more lethal than knives.

 

[Divine_Wind]

If whoever sold it to him was prosecuted they would care....

Of course. That's given that his buddy who sold it to him knew it was illegal to do so.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Bold: Why, because he's black?

QED: Yes, because that's how the Far "White Guilt/White Privilege/'Only whites can be racist' " Left Liberal Loonies roll. Do you agree or disagree that's what they do?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Note the stabbing attack at the Hanukkah party in NY over the Christmas holidays had zero fatalities, even though five were stabbed and seriously injured. If that was a gun assault, like we saw in Harris County Texas on Christmas Eve, there would be at least five dead.

In case this sailed over anyone's head: Guns are far more lethal than knives.

Translation: Being stabbed is okay. Mental health care bad.

Did you notice that the stabber was a mental ill nutjob who should have had help before permanently hurt so many people?

 

[Glitch]

https://wset.com/news/local/2-hurt-during-shooting-at-lynchburg-mcdonalds-shooter-on-the-run

Gun Control, people. We need it!

Gun Control = The ability to accurately hit your target. Good gun control is always advisable.

What we don't need is our constitutionally protected rights violated by anti-American leftist freaks.

 

[Divine_Wind]

I don't think it is about stopping anything. I think it is about being contrarian. stirring the pot as it were.

Stirring the pot to push gun bans before any other remedy such as better mental health care? The vast majority of "gun violence" is preventable, but the cure is better mental health care. A subject neither the authoritarian Left nor the authoritarian Right care to properly address.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Gun Control = The ability to accurately hit your target. Good gun control is always advisable.

What we don't need is our constitutionally protected rights violated by anti-American leftist freaks.

Agreed, but the same applies to anti-American rightist freaks. In short; any party that pushes restricting rights is bad. I don't care who they are. The main purpose of the American government is to increase freedom of its citizens by protecting it from outside interference, but that's not what is happening. A secondary purpose is to resolve conflicts between the rights of citizens such as one citizen polluting a community water source or harming another citizen, but that's not what the authoritarians are doing. The authoritarians on both the Left and the Right are protecting some who are doing harm (for money) and restricting the rights of citizens for ideological reasons.

 

[Glitch]

almost every constitutional right can be abrogated by due process of law

right to assembly-don't have that in prison-for example

fourth amendment rights-none exist in prison

AProudLefty does raise an interesting point. Prior to the Fourteenth Amendment and inclusion of the Second Amendment among the States in 2010, the States were free to implement any restrictions they liked with regard to firearms. Only the federal government was prohibited. So the States decides to strip convicted felons of their constitutionally protected rights. However, now that the Second Amendment has been incorporated among the States the very same prohibition against the federal government infringing on our rights also applies to the States now. Meaning, it is now unconstitutional for the States to prohibit felons, or anyone else, from owning firearms. That pesky "shall not be infringed" phrase now applies to the States since 2010.

When someone is convicted of libel/slander they are not prohibited from ever speaking again. If someone is convicted for rioting they are not prohibited from future peaceful demonstrations. So why should someone convicted of a armed crime have their individual rights stripped from them (as if government even had that authority)?

 

[Chillfolks]

How about we start with making it difficult for someone like Sherwin to buy a gun by requiring universal background checks on all sales and penalties for selling without a background check...

Here is an example of a bill that would do just that...

Text - H.R.8 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The two issues I take with the way I understand this law;

1. It doesn’t make the background check system open to everyone.
2. It doesn’t cap the amount one can charge to run background check or charge to transfer a firearm.

In order for me to support any UBC law it would have to allow anyone to access the background check system and cap the fees at under 10 for background check and no more than 25 to transfer firearm.

 

[Glitch]

Agreed, but the same applies to anti-American rightist freaks. In short; any party that pushes restricting rights is bad. I don't care who they are. The main purpose of the American government is to increase freedom of its citizens by protecting it from outside interference, but that's not what is happening. A secondary purpose is to resolve conflicts between the rights of citizens such as one citizen polluting a community water source or harming another citizen, but that's not what the authoritarians are doing. The authoritarians on both the Left and the Right are protecting some who are doing harm (for money) and restricting the rights of citizens for ideological reasons.

Anyone, left or right, who vehemently opposes the American founding principle of supporting "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" is by definition anti-American. The right has indeed been responsible for violating the First and Fourth Amendments, while the left are chiefly responsible for violating the Second and Tenth Amendments. At no time will you ever find the Democratic Party advancing the freedom of any individual, citizen or otherwise. Leftists are about an all-powerful centralized government controlling the masses. Hence, by definition leftists are anti-American.

Even factoring in the occasional over-zealous anti-American right-wing violations to our liberties the only people actually advancing individual rights and liberty for everyone and a government with limited powers are the right-wingers, or conservatives, and I definitely do NOT mean the Republican Party.

 

[VanceMack]

How about we start with making it difficult for someone like Sherwin to buy a gun by requiring universal background checks on all sales and penalties for selling without a background check...

Here is an example of a bill that would do just that...

Text - H.R.8 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Where did he get the gun that he used?

 

[VanceMack]

Note the stabbing attack at the Hanukkah party in NY over the Christmas holidays had zero fatalities, even though five were stabbed and seriously injured. If that was a gun assault, like we saw in Harris County Texas on Christmas Eve, there would be at least five dead.

In case this sailed over anyone's head: Guns are far more lethal than knives.

So...the shooting produced fatalities?

Can you point to where it states that in the article?

 

[Glitch]

The two issues I take with the way I understand this law;

1. It doesn’t make the background check system open to everyone.
2. It doesn’t cap the amount one can charge to run background check or charge to transfer a firearm.

In order for me to support any UBC law it would have to allow anyone to access the background check system and cap the fees at under 10 for background check and no more than 25 to transfer firearm.

H.B. 8 attempts to make all firearm purchases federal. Which would require everyone buying a firearm to be subject to federal regulations, and thereby the required background check (not to mention other federal restrictions). Congress was never given any such all-sweeping authority, making the legislation illegal. It is why H.R. 8 is DOA in the Senate.

 

[ArtemisBarca]

What gun control would've stopped this?

Nothing with any chance of passing....but since oodles of other countries don’t really have mass shootings, you definitely can’t say it is impossible..


But Anything that requires all the guns to be licensed and tracked, would eliminate a big chunk of the poor type criminals.. by tracked I just mean a registry....


Imho the problem is they have become so easily available and replaceable, people treat them like garbage..


I think the real “fix” would be to stop selling new guns while leaving the 6 per American still perfectly legal to buy and sell. Then guns become collectors items and family heirlooms..

Aka things that are valuable. So you take care of and protect them..




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[ArtemisBarca]

Don't bother. They never answer basic questions.

Lmao..

I would bet multiple people answered that question..

It is a very easy question to answer after all. There are more than a few countries that don’t even really have mass shootings.. so we are not talking about an impossibility here lol..

That would be like saying the US swapping to metric would be impossible..lol

1) you could require licenses and training classes to buy or own guns...

2) and my personal favorite. Stop selling new guns..

Change them from being easily replaceable, which inherently means disposable, to being collectors items of inherent value..

People no longer leave them unlocked, because they are too valuable to do so. Your poor criminals and drug addicts do not hang on to a gun worth a thousand dollars so they can rob people later.. they sell the gun and get their fix.




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[ArtemisBarca]

the guy who did this is looking at perhaps a life sentence. If that didn't deter him what would have stopped him other than someone else shooting his sorry ass?

Not having a gun.


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[ArtemisBarca]

How will gun control work on criminals?

Easy.. dong have them so easily accessible that criminals can easily obtain them?!??

The fact this is primarily an American issue rather than a human issue kinda poops on claims that it is impossible..

Hell, by the numbers the harder thing to do is to have a bunch of mass shootings..


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[ArtemisBarca]

almost every constitutional right can be abrogated by due process of law

right to assembly-don't have that in prison-for example

fourth amendment rights-none exist in prison

Not can be... they are negated by a felony conviction.. You lose most rights...

Voting, right to resist searches and such..


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[ArtemisBarca]

A dude with a gun inside restaurant.

BWAHAHAHAHA

Now that is funny...


In “stand your ground” states it only created more murder victims...

If you have the ability to run , and you run. You have a 100% chance of survival..


If you have the ability to run , but instead choose to engage your burglar, you no longer have a 100% chance of survival..depending on the person engaging and being engaged you might only have a 5% chance of surviving the engagement..


No one is taking all the guns, but make no mistake, as Americans we definitely are trading safety for people who assume they will successfully play Rambo and save the day, when statistically that never happens..

I think out of 33,000 gun murders a year. Like 300 are justifiable homicide..

The math there is just horrible for those wanting to play Rambo.




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[Divine_Wind]

Anyone, left or right, who vehemently opposes the American founding principle of supporting "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" is by definition anti-American. The right has indeed been responsible for violating the First and Fourth Amendments, while the left are chiefly responsible for violating the Second and Tenth Amendments. At no time will you ever find the Democratic Party advancing the freedom of any individual, citizen or otherwise. Leftists are about an all-powerful centralized government controlling the masses. Hence, by definition leftists are anti-American.

Even factoring in the occasional over-zealous anti-American right-wing violations to our liberties the only people actually advancing individual rights and liberty for everyone and a government with limited powers are the right-wingers, or conservatives, and I definitely do NOT mean the Republican Party.

While I tend to agree, as the speech by Barry Goldwater points out, what we call "conservatives" today are not really conservatives: To Be Conservative - Google Docs

 

[TurtleDude]

Not having a gun.


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lets stick to known reality

 

[Bullseye]

BWAHAHAHAHA

Now that is funny...


In “stand your ground” states it only created more murder victims...

If you have the ability to run , and you run. You have a 100% chance of survival..


If you have the ability to run , but instead choose to engage your burglar, you no longer have a 100% chance of survival..depending on the person engaging and being engaged you might only have a 5% chance of surviving the engagement..


No one is taking all the guns, but make no mistake, as Americans we definitely are trading safety for people who assume they will successfully play Rambo and save the day, when statistically that never happens..

I think out of 33,000 gun murders a year. Like 300 are justifiable homicide..

The math there is just horrible for those wanting to play Rambo.




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No one claims armed citizens will stop every incident like this, but as we just saw in White Settlement, Tx, it can alter the balance of power. Running, avoid conflict, is a good idea when possible. But in a confined space like a fast food restaurant with the shooter likely blocking one exit running just causes a crowd at another.

 

[CLAX1911]

Stirring the pot to push gun bans before any other remedy such as better mental health care?

I don't think it's that thoughtful. He's stirring the pot for entertainment.

The vast majority of "gun violence" is preventable, but the cure is better mental health care. A subject neither the authoritarian Left nor the authoritarian Right care to properly address.

I don't think mental health Care will stop evil people from doing things. They aren't mentally ill in most cases they just want to hurt people, to see how many they can.

 

[Divine_Wind]

I don't think it's that thoughtful. He's stirring the pot for entertainment.

I don't think mental health Care will stop evil people from doing things. They aren't mentally ill in most cases they just want to hurt people, to see how many they can.

Better mental health care won't cure stupidity, but 2/3s of "gun violence" is mental illness - specifically depression although there is the caveat of people committing suicide to avoid the pain of a terminal disease. The other 1/3 largely falls into domestic violence, against mental health related, and gang violence, which has some aspects since the smarter, more healthy solution to gang violence is to run from the area. Obviously most people don't want to leave their friends and family, but that's a mental thing too.

Banning guns doesn't fix any of those.