An interesting idea

[rocket88]

So with the new ultra-punitive laws about abortion, here's an idea. Require child support from the moment of conception. I mean, we want to equate the unborn with the born, so make the man's duty the same as the woman's.

Doubt this will gain any traction with the "pro-life" crowd, but I like it.

 

[Amelia]

child support + pain and suffering?

Morning sickness. Lost sleep. Hemorrhoids. Lost work days, and resulting loss of status in one's profession. Loss of income attainment contributing to lower social security in old age. Et cetera.

If she's going to be forced to carry the child, she should be compensated for all of that.

 

[SoCal]

child support + pain and suffering?

Morning sickness. Lost sleep. Hemorrhoids. Lost work days, and resulting loss of status in one's profession. Loss of income attainment contributing to lower social security in old age. Et cetera.

If she's going to be forced to carry the child, she should be compensated for all of that.

She should be compensated, but only if she decides to give birth...

 

[Amelia]

She should be compensated, but only if she decides to give birth...

Well, if she is successfully _forced_ to carry the child, then the decision of whether or not to give birth is out of her hands. It's going to happen, unless the fetus dies on its own.

Obviously I took the OP's suggestion as existing in a world where the ultra-non-conservative far right is successful in mandating forced birth after the majority of the nation was not successful in fighting back against that oppression by the minority.

 

[PirateMk1]

child support + pain and suffering?

Morning sickness. Lost sleep. Hemorrhoids. Lost work days, and resulting loss of status in one's profession. Loss of income attainment contributing to lower social security in old age. Et cetera.

If she's going to be forced to carry the child, she should be compensated for all of that.

She opened her legs. She's equally guilty for conceiving the child in the first place especially as there is an abundance of cheap contraceptives and the fact she can say NO anytime she wants. Women are just as guilty as the men. It takes TWO to tango.

 

[Casper]

She opened her legs. She's equally guilty for conceiving the child in the first place especially as there is an abundance of cheap contraceptives and the fact she can say NO anytime she wants. Women are just as guilty as the men. It takes TWO to tango.

Unless they are a child or they are raped. Oh, wait, I forgot even that does not matter anymore.
I love watching people shooting their political careers in the foot.

 

[Amelia]

She opened her legs. She's equally guilty for conceiving the child in the first place especially as there is an abundance of cheap contraceptives and the fact she can say NO anytime she wants. Women are just as guilty as the men. It takes TWO to tango.

If she is forced to pay for the sex act with the next nine months of her life, and with the torture of her body, then the other person in the tango should be forced to contribute as close to an equal share as possible of the costs that she currently has to pay alone, with compensation made for the long lasting physical and earning penalties she will endure as a result of being forced to have the child.

 

[apdst]

So with the new ultra-punitive laws about abortion, here's an idea. Require child support from the moment of conception. I mean, we want to equate the unborn with the born, so make the man's duty the same as the woman's.

Doubt this will gain any traction with the "pro-life" crowd, but I like it.

I'm all for it. That way, the biological father gets a say in the decision making process during the pregnancy.

 

[PirateMk1]

If she is forced to pay for the sex act with the next nine months of her life, and with the torture of her body, then the other person in the tango should be forced to contribute as close to an equal share as possible of the costs that she currently has to pay alone, with compensation made for the long lasting physical and earning penalties she will endure as a result of being forced to have the child.

No. That's her stupid tax.

 

[Amelia]

No. That's her stupid tax.

So the men have decided that the fetus is a person but that the biological father owes no support to that person.

Got it. :thumbs:


Guess what, that is one of the things which will be forced to change when the woman is forced to have the child. One of the many things which will be forced to change when the embryo is granted personhood. The person has rights, and that includes right to support from bio-dad.

 

[snakestretcher]

She opened her legs. She's equally guilty for conceiving the child in the first place especially as there is an abundance of cheap contraceptives and the fact she can say NO anytime she wants. Women are just as guilty as the men. It takes TWO to tango.

And what about the responsibility of the man to ensure he's covered?

 

[snakestretcher]

So the men have decided that the fetus is a person but that the biological father owes no support to that person.

Got it. :thumbs:


Guess what, that is one of the things which will be forced to change when the woman is forced to have the child. One of the many things which will be forced to change when the embryo is granted personhood. The person has rights, and that includes right to support from bio-dad.

You'll never get a sensible response from religious zealots. They just glaze-over and grin vacantly at you, muttering stuff about 'gods' and bibles.

 

[ocean515]

So with the new ultra-punitive laws about abortion, here's an idea. Require child support from the moment of conception. I mean, we want to equate the unborn with the born, so make the man's duty the same as the woman's.

Doubt this will gain any traction with the "pro-life" crowd, but I like it.

How would they determine who the father was?

 

[Fletch]

So with the new ultra-punitive laws about abortion, here's an idea. Require child support from the moment of conception. I mean, we want to equate the unborn with the born, so make the man's duty the same as the woman's.

Doubt this will gain any traction with the "pro-life" crowd, but I like it.

How about we make a trade? Greater restrictions on gun rights for greater restrictions on abortion 'rights'

 

[bongsaway]

How about we make a trade? Greater restrictions on gun rights for greater restrictions on abortion 'rights'

I'm all for that idea fletch. 'If' women get to say what gun measures they want and the gun owners get no say in the women's decision.

 

[calamity]

So with the new ultra-punitive laws about abortion, here's an idea. Require child support from the moment of conception. I mean, we want to equate the unborn with the born, so make the man's duty the same as the woman's.

Doubt this will gain any traction with the "pro-life" crowd, but I like it.

That might win in court tho

 

[calamity]

No. That's her stupid tax.

Ah...because only one person is the blame for unwanted pregnancy. I see.

Her fault she got raped too, amirite?

 

[Fletch]

I'm all for that idea fletch. 'If' women get to say what gun measures they want and the gun owners get no say in the women's decision.

That was hardly the deal :roll: For every new restriction you want to add to guns, one is added to abortion.

 

[bongsaway]

That was hardly the deal :roll: For every new restriction you want to add to guns, one is added to abortion.

That's your deal which I reject.

 

[Fletch]

That's your deal which I reject.

HOw come? Why do you advocate limiting rights in one area but not another? Hypocrisy?

 

[bongsaway]

HOw come? Why do you advocate limiting rights in one area but not another? Hypocrisy?

Where in your proposal did you state women do not get to choose which gun control issue they can choose? Ok, we'll go with your proposal and use alabama as an example. Since alabama went for the gusto and made all abortion illegal the trade is this, no abortion, no guns. Deal?

 

[Fletch]

Where in your proposal did you state women do not get to choose which gun control issue they can choose? Ok, we'll go with your proposal and use alabama as an example. Since alabama went for the gusto and made all abortion illegal the trade is this, no abortion, no guns. Deal?

Sure. BUt I am talking more on a national level than a state level. Point of fact is that the left want ZERO restrictions on abortion but many if not most are prepared to ban guns. The question was how do you square that with the Constitution? And if you want 'reasonable' regulations on guns why oppose reasonable regulations on abortion?

 

[bongsaway]

Sure. BUt I am talking more on a national level than a state level. Point of fact is that the left want ZERO restrictions on abortion but many if not most are prepared to ban guns. The question was how do you square that with the Constitution? And if you want 'reasonable' regulations on guns why oppose reasonable regulations on abortion?

Here's the problem that I see. Any kind of gun control is by definition unreasonable, ask and most gun owners will say they agree because if you give in one time, what's next? Never give an inch. Secondly there are reasonable restrictions on abortion. Unlike the myth the right likes to spread abortion is not done 'at will' in all cases. I would just about bet my life if it were men giving birth, abortion would assuredly be legal.

 

[Fletch]

Here's the problem that I see. Any kind of gun control is by definition unreasonable, ask and most gun owners will say they agree because if you give in one time, what's next? Never give an inch. Secondly there are reasonable restrictions on abortion. Unlike the myth the right likes to spread abortion is not done 'at will' in all cases. I would just about bet my life if it were men giving birth, abortion would assuredly be legal.

Well you would be wrong about that since it isnt a male/female issue but a life issue. Plus, we already have a great deal of gun laws. And I have not heard of a single proposal that would have stopped any of the mass shootings we have seen lately.

 

[poweRob]

She opened her legs. She's equally guilty for conceiving the child in the first place especially as there is an abundance of cheap contraceptives and the fact she can say NO anytime she wants. Women are just as guilty as the men. It takes TWO to tango.

Alabama's law includes forcing birth in the case of rape and incest. That's not her opening her legs.