Amazon Pauses Huge Development Plans in Seattle Over Tax Plan

[Neomalthusian]

Boeing left too, HQ to Chicago and production increasingly going to lower cost states, and let us remember as we go that as I speak Washington State is giving Boeing huge tax give-backs on the business that remains in this state, trying to convince Boeing to not remove even more work from the state, a project that is likely to fail.

Kshama Sawant, the nutcase Seattle keeps electing to the City Council, had this to say about Boeing:

“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine.”

And a few breaths later, regarding Boeing moving jobs out of state:

“That will be nothing short of economic terrorism because it's going to devastate the state's economy!”

So she's trying to rally workers to seize and shut down factories... and then calls it economic terrorism that such businesses might seek to do their business elsewhere. Seriously, it's one thing to be this ****ing crazy, but how crazy do thousands of people have to be to elect someone like this?

Would you want to set up and grow your business in a place where your fellow residents eagerly elect rabidly anti-business people like this to run the City?

I wouldn't.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Kshama Sawant, the nutcase Seattle keeps electing to the City Council, had this to say about Boeing:

“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine.”

And a few breaths later, regarding Boeing moving jobs out of state:

“That will be nothing short of economic terrorism because it's going to devastate the state's economy!”

Would you want to set up and grow your business in a place where your fellow residents eagerly elect rabidly anti-business people like this to run the City?

I wouldn't.

I am very sour on Seattle, what I have seen since I came here in 2004 is very sad.

But then Portland is not much if any better.

As America declines all sink.

And increasingly stink.

 

[Neomalthusian]

I am very sour on Seattle, what I have seen since I came here in 2004 is very sad.

But then Portland is not much if any better.

As America declines all sink.

And increasingly stink.

What's going on in Seattle is not representative of what's going on everywhere in the country. Several blue and red states are in bad financial condition, and several blue and red states are in good financial condition. Several red states and their largest cities could use some more moderate to left political influence, and several blue states and their largest cities could use a shift to the right.

It's this extremism that pops up sometimes that is just... unhinged in some cases. It makes the places somewhat of a case study that people can watch and see what happens. Seattle and its immediate surrounding area is home to some absolutely enormous companies. Amazon, Microsoft, Costco, Boeing Starbucks, Nordstrom, Paccar, Weyerhouser, Alaska Air, Trident Seafoods. A lot of the progressives there are radicalizing, and if they keep empowering people with rabidly anti-business views, I think the place will make an example of itself, showing that it is possible for people and their governments to chase their economic lifeblood out of their communities. When places grow so strongly and consistently like Seattle has, they don't know how to respond when the tide starts swinging the other way.

 

[Hawkeye10]

What's going on in Seattle is not representative of what's going on everywhere in the country. Several blue and red states are in bad financial condition, and several blue and red states are in good financial condition. Several red states and their largest cities could use some more moderate to left political influence, and several blue states and their largest cities could use a shift to the right.

It's this extremism that pops up sometimes that is just... unhinged in some cases. It makes the places somewhat of a case study that people can watch and see what happens. Seattle and its immediate surrounding area is home to some absolutely enormous companies. Amazon, Microsoft, Costco, Boeing Starbucks, Nordstrom, Paccar, Weyerhouser, Alaska Air, Trident Seafoods. A lot of the progressives there are radicalizing, and if they keep empowering people with rabidly anti-business views, I think the place will make an example of itself, showing that it is possible for people and their governments to chase their economic lifeblood out of their communities. When places grow so strongly and consistently like Seattle has, they don't know how to respond when the tide starts swinging the other way.

Very bad government is more the norm than the exception.

Which is a very big problem to this socialist.

 

[Nap]

Actually, the 'positive' claim (in this context) has been proven. There have been numerous studies showing the benefits of having employers bring jobs, especially higher paying jobs, into a community. Seattle hasn't disputed that -- they want more workers. You even conceded that. So, punt back to you -- what negatives offset the positive economic benefits?

I'll add this, the 'negative' being expressed is that they've brought too many people to the area, and the housing market couldn't keep up. That issue will be balanced out over time, especially if the city works to promote housing development. I would think we'd all sure that the opposite -- having more housing than workers -- is a good thing -- no one wants housing values to plummet, and abandoned properties to be a problem. It has not worked well for places like Detroit.

Also, that negative being expressed isn't the fault of Amazon but poor city planning by the politicians of Seattle.

When Mississippi brought in Nissan they knew what the secondary externalities would be and adjusted accordingly turning what is a considered a negative in Seattle to an incredible positive in Jackson. They immediately began expanding the infrastructure to accommodate the heavier traffic and plenty of housing for the influx of people coming for jobs. Because of this the northern areas in Jackson (in particular the Madison and Flowood areas) have expanded and flourished in ways many never thought possible for the state. Multiple other manufacturing plants popped up bringing even more jobs, more restaurants and shopping centers to accomadate the higher population. Bringing in Nissan literally has super charged the Jackson area without any negative repercussions.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Also, that negative being expressed isn't the fault of Amazon but poor city planning by the politicians of Seattle.

When Mississippi brought in Nissan they knew what the secondary externalities would be and adjusted accordingly turning what is a considered a negative in Seattle to an incredible positive in Jackson. They immediately began expanding the infrastructure to accommodate the heavier traffic and plenty of housing for the influx of people coming for jobs. Because of this the northern areas in Jackson (in particular the Madison and Flowood areas) have expanded and flourished in ways many never thought possible for the state. Multiple other manufacturing plants popped up bringing even more jobs, more restaurants and shopping centers to accomadate the higher population. Bringing in Nissan literally has super charged the Jackson area without any negative repercussions.

If things are so great then why is the state FY 2019 budget smaller inflation adjusted than was the 2018 budget?

Things that make me go Hmmmmmmm.....

 

[Bum]

Amazon pays effectively no federal taxes because of tax tricks they use. It is not unreasonable to expect a multi-hundred billion dollar company to chip in a bit on their communities.

Its not unreasonable to expect Corporations to look for every possible way to avoid taxes and expenditures....their allegiance is to the almighty dollar and their shareholders....I would be absolutely shocked at any Corporation that willing gave up money to a community unless it was as a tax write off or a PR stunt to garner more customers.

 

[Nap]

If things are so great then why is the state FY 2019 budget smaller inflation adjusted than was the 2018 budget?

Things that make me go Hmmmmmmm.....

No idea, never paid any attention to it to be perfectly honest. All I know is the amount of growth I have seen here in the last decade.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Its not unreasonable to expect Corporations to look for every possible way to avoid taxes and expenditures....their allegiance is to the almighty dollar and their shareholders....I would be absolutely shocked at any Corporation that willing gave up money to a community unless it was as a tax write off or a PR stunt to garner more customers.

Once corporations decided that the community was no longer a stake holder, ****em,,,,,who cares.

Before that corporations generally wanted to be good citizens.

Let me quiz you on this: What do we do with bad citizens?

GENERALLY?

 

[Nap]

Its not unreasonable to expect Corporations to look for every possible way to avoid taxes and expenditures....their allegiance is to the almighty dollar and their shareholders....I would be absolutely shocked at any Corporation that willing gave up money to a community unless it was as a tax write off or a PR stunt to garner more customers.

Do you take every tax break available and pay more than what is necessary for what you need?

 

[Hawkeye10]

No idea, never paid any attention to it to be perfectly honest. All I know is the amount of growth I have seen here in the last decade.

Mississippi..."Sure we suck but we are still better than Louisiana!"

You can see how impressed I am.

Economic growth slowed in Mississippi in 2017, with economic growth ranking 46th among states.

Gross domestic product numbers released Friday by the federal Bureau of Economic Analysis measure economic output of each state.

Mississippi's economy grew 0.3 percent in 2017, compared to 2 percent growth in 2016.

Mississippi economy posts weak growth in 2017 | News & Observer

 

[Nap]

Mississippi..."Sure we suck but we are still better than Louisiana!"

You can see how impressed I am.






Mississippi economy posts weak growth in 2017 | News & Observer

That is the entire state, the Job growth in Jackson is twice the national average.

Jackson, Mississippi Economy

EDIT: https://amp.clarionledger.com/amp/86278982 This is an article talking about what Nissan has done for the state.

 

[Nap]

Move Mississippi Forward Press Conference Reveals That Nissan?s Economic Impact in Mississippi Continues to Show Strong Growth - Home Page Featured Article - Mississippi Economic Council

A study on the economic impact of Nissan on MS.

Nissan was given roughly $378 million in incentives/infrastructure to come to Mississippi and is generating roughly $300 million in tax revenue annually, so it has been incredibly positive for Jackson and Mississippi.

 

[AliHajiSheik]

Once corporations decided that the community was no longer a stake holder, ****em,,,,,who cares.

Before that corporations generally wanted to be good citizens.

Let me quiz you on this: What do we do with bad citizens?

GENERALLY?

Let them leave for Oklahoma? Hence the term, "Go Sonics".

 

[bluesmoke]

Boeing left too, HQ to Chicago and production increasingly going to lower cost states, and let us remember as we go that as I speak Washington State is giving Boeing huge tax give-backs on the business that remains in this state, trying to convince Boeing to not remove even more work from the state, a project that is likely to fail.

Idiots.

 

[Lursa]

Kshama Sawant, the nutcase Seattle keeps electing to the City Council, had this to say about Boeing:

“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine.”

And a few breaths later, regarding Boeing moving jobs out of state:

“That will be nothing short of economic terrorism because it's going to devastate the state's economy!”

So she's trying to rally workers to seize and shut down factories... and then calls it economic terrorism that such businesses might seek to do their business elsewhere. Seriously, it's one thing to be this ****ing crazy, but how crazy do thousands of people have to be to elect someone like this?

Would you want to set up and grow your business in a place where your fellow residents eagerly elect rabidly anti-business people like this to run the City?

I wouldn't.

Seattle knowingly voted for a socialist council member. She ran on that platform. :roll:

 

[Lursa]

Do you take every tax break available and pay more than what is necessary for what you need?

Most people would say yes and no, IMO. And then we make our own choices about public contributions.

And that's what these corporations do...they do alot of sponsoring and donating on their own, in a big way.

 

[Neomalthusian]

Seattle knowingly voted for a socialist council member. She ran on that platform. :roll:

She's hardly even socialist. Her ridiculous, rage-filled rhetoric is more Marxist than anything. She doesn't really care about Seattle. She is using Seattle as her platform to agitate the voters of Washington against their own economic backbone.

If Amazon and others don’t evacuate Seattle in response to the absolutely blind rage fueled rhetoric and policy decisions the Seattle city council has been making, then it will signal to radicals elsewhere that there will be no economic consequence for them to attack their own city's largest employers as if they were terrorists.

Sawant has even called them economic terrorists if they left the city, despite the fact that she had just gotten done asserting that workers should seize and shut down Boeing factories. How ****ing crazy do you have to be to say stuff like that? And how stupid do you have to be find that kind of rhetoric influential?

If Seattle doesn't bounce the radicals off their City Council, they will end up proving what every moderate and conservative has always ever said, which is that a government that is aggressively anti-business engages in self-sabotage.

This isn't just Kshama Sawant's fault. There are a lot of mentally disturbed people out there, and it's not their fault they're mentally disturbed. This is the fault of Seattle progressives who elected her and continue to support her.

 

[Lursa]

She's hardly even socialist. Her ridiculous, rage-filled rhetoric is more Marxist than anything. She doesn't really care about Seattle. She is using Seattle as her platform to agitate the voters of Washington against their own economic backbone.

If Amazon and others don’t evacuate Seattle in response to the absolutely blind rage fueled rhetoric and policy decisions the Seattle city council has been making, then it will signal to radicals elsewhere that there will be no economic consequence for them to attack their own city's largest employers as if they were terrorists.

Sawant has even called them economic terrorists if they left the city, despite the fact that she had just gotten done asserting that workers should seize and shut down Boeing factories. How ****ing crazy do you have to be to say stuff like that? And how stupid do you have to be find that kind of rhetoric influential?

If Seattle doesn't bounce the radicals off their City Council, they will end up proving what every moderate and conservative has always ever said, which is that a government that is aggressively anti-business engages in self-sabotage.

This isn't just Kshama Sawant's fault. There are a lot of mentally disturbed people out there, and it's not their fault they're mentally disturbed. This is the fault of Seattle progressives who elected her and continue to support her.

:shrug: I was pretty disgusted and amazed when they voted for her.

I've lived here 30 yrs, including in Seattle. I'm a Democrat...still cannot go along with much of Seattle's 'program' anymore.