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Amazon is looking for a 2nd headquarter city, a 'full equal to Seattle'

For young engineers Montreal would be very attractive (outside of the cold). Montreal has a very high number of english speakers as a primary or secondary language. An amazing cultural landscape, great food. Also nearly no one in Canada has any real loyalties to the queen. In general just english immigrants

So positive for Montreal
Diverse ethnic city, with at least 59% speaking english
Generally open immigration, a positive for temporary workers
An international airport which will have access to any major city in NA in 5 hours and Western Europe in 6 (guess's here)
Low crime rate
Low levels of racial issues (except for the horrible french people, why cant they just speak Canadian)
A very good subway system

Negatives
Cold winters
Higher tax levels (this would be the killer)

i occasionally buy and sell specialty musical gear
the biggest barrier to conducting trade with canadian buyers and sellers is the transportation of goods into and out of their country
as amazon is a massive transporter of goods, a significant portion of which are also returned, the delays dealing with canadian customs would likely prove to be a deal killer
 
Amazon Cloud isn't their biggest money maker, but it is a big money maker.. Web Serivices is important for Amazon.

Anyway I'd say.. Boston... Montreal... Maybe Atlanta...
Yeah, Atlanta may be the up & coming underdog challenger. Plus it has Heartsfield.
 
It may not be a tech company per se, but I suspect it has huge I.T. needs, which was his point.

Right but they already have the original HQ which can house that division, my point was there is no need to exclusively look for a 2nd tech friendly city
 
i occasionally buy and sell specialty musical gear
the biggest barrier to conducting trade with canadian buyers and sellers is the transportation of goods into and out of their country
as amazon is a massive transporter of goods, a significant portion of which are also returned, the delays dealing with canadian customs would likely prove to be a deal killer

It would a HQ, not a distribution center. Amazon has dozens across the US if I am not mistaken. So very few items other that those required for the HQ or the staff of the HQ would be required to be shipped.
 
Both cities are excellent, and I'm especially fond of Montreal.

But they'd have to make a decision to have their "co-equal" HQ technically "international" under a foreign government. I don't know if that's their desire, and then there's also possible image problems (leaving America).

Well they are letting Canadian cities bid so I assume they are fine with it. The main thing is tax benefits in Canada.
 
I dont think I would classify Amazon as a "tech company" anymore as most of their business relies on delivering physical items to a physical place and logistics is probably a much bigger division of the company than the website

Not really more, AWS is becoming more and more their main thing.
 
Chicago ? Good luck. Companies have been moving away from areas that are known for their high tax burdens and that includes States like California, New York and Illinois

Im betting they may be looking towards North Texas or even Austin
Maybe.

But there's also still a lot of critical mass in terms of talent and business infrastructure in large established diverse places like Chicago, San Fran, and New York, and that's a draw. Especially as corps expand from manufacturing or single business based, to multi-faceted holding companies.

Boeing moved their HQ from Seattle to Chicago for just that reason.
 
Cleveland. City is turning around and real estate is still pretty cheap. Or they could be really ballsy and go for Detroit.
Interesting and creative choices.
 
Here is a case for Pittsburgh

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/08/pittsburgh-thriving-tech-sector-new-life

More importantly Pittsburgh boasts the robotics department at Carnegie-Mellon University, recognized as the leading academic institution in the field.


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The transportation firm has about 500 employees in the city’s tech Strip district and plans to start testing as many as 100 Volvo sport utility vehicles on the city’s streets. Many of Uber’s employees were hired directly from Carnegie-Mellon’s computer labs and the state’s approach to the technology – called greenlight governing – effectively encouraged investment in the field. Uber estimates its investment will reach $1bn over the next few years.

“It’s not just about self-driving cars,” says Law. “It’s about the future of urban mobility. How do you create smarter and more efficient cities.” Pittsburgh is ideal, he says, “because if you are going to design a car that needs to navigate some of the most complex road networks and systems, you’re not going to get a bigger challenge than here. It’s old, it was planned poorly, it’s built around hills and valleys, and the roads are windy and steep. If it works in Pittsburgh, it can work anywhere.”



The firm is not alone: General Motors, Google – which has centered its engineering facilities here and employs 600 – and Intel have also come to Pittsburgh. While Apple, which employs 500 here, has not stated the reason for its interest, it is known to have already developed a prototype vehicle. But the city’s easy-going regulatory approach and an intelligent workforce is not the only reason Pittsburgh is becoming ground zero for auto-automation, widely regarded as one of the largest untapped economies.

Google’s Mike Capsambelis explains the company’s explicit interest in Pittsburgh is machine learning, a sub-field of computer science that evolved from the study of pattern recognition and computational learning theory in artificial intelligence. In other words, learning without needing to be explicitly programmed.
 
Can't figure that one out either. "HQ" implies ONE location by definition.... Might be a kind of marketing. We're already going to see cities rush to see how much money they can funnel to Amazon with a CEO one of the richest on the planet to pay for the privilege of hosting their "HQ" and maybe labeling it "HQ" increases the bids.

Sort of off topic, but if king for a week or so, this would make the list of stuff to fix. I don't mind cities offering incentives, but if Amazon gets a tax break/incentive package of $50k/employee or whatever sweet deal they'll negotiate, give that to all the existing businesses in that city. Otherwise, I don't see why the government should have the ability to cut deals with a single private company and use taxpayer money to do it. It's straight up bribery, and the other way, Amazon paying a Mayor a bonus of $500k for some favor, someone at Amazon is going to jail. But if the city pays Amazon $1 billion as a bribe, that's fine???
Might be a kind of way of bailing on Seattle, in a discrete fashion.
 
i occasionally buy and sell specialty musical gear
the biggest barrier to conducting trade with canadian buyers and sellers is the transportation of goods into and out of their country
as amazon is a massive transporter of goods, a significant portion of which are also returned, the delays dealing with canadian customs would likely prove to be a deal killer
Uh, but this is a corporate HQ, not an operations level facility.

But I'm still with you in that I think they'll stay Stateside, even though Montreal is a great worldclass city!
 
Might be a kind of way of bailing on Seattle, in a discrete fashion.

You'll want to see this:

Amazon plan echoes Boeing?s move to Chicago, but differences are crucial | The Seattle Times


We will know when they pick, but I am pretty sure two things are at play....One Seattle is getting to be a very expensive town to do business in, and Amazon does not want to get to be branded as a Liberal company such as Starbucks is fine with. Chicago would have been fine if it were not in such decline, St Louis as well.
 
Right but they already have the original HQ which can house that division, my point was there is no need to exclusively look for a 2nd tech friendly city
Unless they're dumping Seattle, which is what I suspect.

Amazon is calling it an "equal" HQ, which would imply they need everything the Seattle HQ has.
 
Uh, but this is a corporate HQ, not an operations level facility.

But I'm still with you in that I think they'll stay Stateside, even though Montreal is a great worldclass city!

How many American companies has hemorrhaged money trying to expand in Canada but not understanding it and that is just the start of the problems with trying to run a company from two different countries.
 
The talent pool is non-existent down south.
That might be right in general, but I wonder if that's true in some of the up-and-coming places like Atalanta?

I suspect Atlanta has at least a spectrum of the basics, though obviously not to the depth & extant of Chicago, NY, or Boston.
 
Those considerations and more are laid out in Amazon’s detailed wish list for its new project, which it is calling HQ2. In addition to a metropolitan area with more than one million residents, Amazon insists that its new project have on-site access to mass transit, a commute of 45 minutes or less to an international airport and easy access to a major highway or arterial road — no more than two miles.

It also asked for evidence of fiber optic internet connections and a coverage map showing strong cellular phone service at the location. Amazon also wants traffic congestion figures, lists of universities and statistics on the qualifications of local workers.

The company is also requesting that the new location have a diverse population and recreational opportunities. In other words, it does not want to stray too far from the lifestyle of Seattle, the home of Starbucks and Nordstrom, sandwiched between mountains and water. The headquarters in Seattle has 24 cafes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/technology/amazon-headquarters-north-america.html
Above is the list of what Amazon wants
 
How many American companies has hemorrhaged money trying to expand in Canada but not understanding it and that is just the start of the problems with trying to run a company from two different countries.
Agreed.
 
Well ****, there goes Kansas City.

Atlanta then...
Atlanta doesn't have any appreciable public transport, 1M population, or a substantial footprint in higher education - all things Amazon specifically stated as their requirements.

Sorry, but I see a Chicago or Boston, not an Atlanta.
 
How many American companies has hemorrhaged money trying to expand in Canada but not understanding it and that is just the start of the problems with trying to run a company from two different countries.

Bu they are usually companies trying to expand into Canadian markets without realizing that Canadians are not identical to American consumers, but Amazon is already here and pretty successful.
 
Atlanta doesn't have any appreciable public transport, 1M population, or a substantial footprint in higher education - all things Amazon specifically stated as their requirements.

Sorry, but I see a Chicago or Boston, not an Atlanta.

You need to look at the metro population of the city, not just the jurisdictional population. By that measure Atlanta has 6 million or so
 
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