AMA calls for total ban on all e-cigarette, vaping products

[Nap]

Sources? And if it's harmless, why didnt the cig companies remove it from the cigs instead of upping the nicotine % content? Oh...because it's the addictive substance?

You answered your own question, because it is addictive which means more profit. Just because something is addictive does not mean it is harmful.

 

[Mongidig]

How about you just not do it and let the rest of us decide for ourselves what is disgusting and stupid.

It is amazing to me that so many in America have given up on the idea of freedom.

When you people come back from your smoke breaks you stink. That affects me.

When I walk outside and your smoke comes in my direction that affects me.

The extra cost of insurance because of smokers affects me.

It's not about freedom it's about common sense. I personally don't trust anybody who smokes.

 

[Nap]

When you people come back from your smoke breaks you stink. That affects me.

When I walk outside and your smoke comes in my direction that affects me.

The extra cost of insurance because of smokers affects me.

It's not about freedom it's about common sense. I personally don't trust anybody who smokes.

Why not ban everything that inconveniences you? I mean why should anyone have the freedom to do as they please if the end result is a bother to you...

 

[Lursa]

You answered your own question, because it is addictive which means more profit. Just because something is addictive does not mean it is harmful.

I disagree.

In this case, it is.

 

[Credence]

AMA calls for total ban on all e-cigarette, vaping products

Has a reformed vaper, who stopped at 4 months after hacking up blood... I support this move.

I have been vaping for 5 years after smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day. I feel so much better not to mention the smell in the house. Nicotine levels vary and I am down to 1.8mg -- after starting at the maximum of 3.4mg

What I don't understand is that the ban seems to be promoted because of teens and adding THC to the products which are mainly bought on black market. Enforce the dang laws on the books and parents should be monitoring their children. Teens shouldn't be doing it and a ban would be totally unfair to adults who have benefited from it. Most of the lung injuries/deaths are related to the additives I mentioned above and vaping is enticing to teens just as cigarette smoking was.

 

[Candyman]

First, let me state that I oppose this ban. As I oppose most bans that the government thinks are for our own good.

I simply find this hypocritical. Smoking kills more Americans every year than vaping. So to say you're banning vape to protect people is lip service bull****. It's merely acquiescing to lobby pressure. If the government really had the best interests of Americans in mind they'd ban cigarettes, cigars, and alcohol. But they won't. Why? Because people like Philip Morris will happily keep the coffers of politicians neatly lined. So expect to see vape painted as the evil culprit until there's a Big Vape lobby that makes it to Washington.

 

[Mongidig]

Why not ban everything that inconveniences you? I mean why should anyone have the freedom to do as they please if the end result is a bother to you...

That's just a lazy answer.

 

[Court Jester]

I am all in favor of dumb people removing themselves from the gene pool. The only action the government might take is to require warning labels on certain products. After that I don't care if people want to drink Drano and eat rat poison because at lest there will be fewer dumb voters around voting in the types of nanny state politicians who couldn't help them anyway.

 

[Nap]

I disagree.

In this case, it is.

Simply being addicted to something isn't harmful. If an elderly person becomes addicted to a Nicotine patch that is helping protect him from Alzheimers or Parkinson's disease, is that harmful? You are conflating Nicotine with the dangers of smoking which is an outdated understanding of the issue.

 

[Nap]

That's just a lazy answer.

I'm the one that asked a question......

 

[Lursa]

Simply being addicted to something isn't harmful. If an elderly person becomes addicted to a Nicotine patch that is helping protect him from Alzheimers or Parkinson's disease, is that harmful? You are conflating Nicotine with the dangers of smoking which is an outdated understanding of the issue.

Yes, I do understand the distinction. Thanks.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Vaping and cigarette smoking are both disgusting and stupid. They both should be banned.

One always loves the calls from people who don't do "X" to ban "X" (when "X" doesn't harm other people).

One laughs uproariously when those people have never done "X" in the first place.

How your comment fits into that equation I have no idea.

 

[PirateMk1]

AMA calls for total ban on all e-cigarette, vaping products

Has a reformed vaper, who stopped at 4 months after hacking up blood... I support this move.

Ah no. If you want to quit that's your business, but I am absolutely against banning vaping. The nanny state can pound sand. If people want to smoke or vape that's their right and problem.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

When you people come back from your smoke breaks you stink. That affects me.

When I walk outside and your smoke comes in my direction that affects me.

The extra cost of insurance because of smokers affects me.

It's not about freedom it's about common sense. I personally don't trust anybody who smokes.

Yep, and I am sure that you have some other equally silly reasons for not trusting people.

BTW, I find heavily scented perfumes, personal care products (including deodorants), shampoos, laundry soaps, fabric softeners, and car "air fresheners" to be "offensive" so I do hope that you don't use any of those products because I'd hate not to be able to trust you.

 

[PirateMk1]

Vegetable oil belongs on your french fries not in your lungs. Nicotine is terrible for your arteries and your heart. AGAIN people need to avoid tobacco and should not switch to a pacifier like vaping. My brother smoked for years and after he arrested TWICE he quit cold turkey. People should quit smoking AND vaping. Vaping is nothing more than a dangerous pacifier.

I smoke cigars. I like smoking cigars. I am going to die whether I stop smoking or not. So I am going to enjoy my cigars. I don't care if its unhealthy. I am not putting up with somebody telling me to stop. They can mind their own business.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I smoke cigars. I like smoking cigars. I am going to die whether I stop smoking or not. So I am going to enjoy my cigars. I don't care if its unhealthy. I am not putting up with somebody telling me to stop. They can mind their own business.

Although it is "anecdotal evidence" and, therefore, should not be relied on in any scientific sense, you might find it amusing that, when my mother (at around 72 years of age) asked her doctor if she should stop smoking (which she had been doing for around 50 years) his advice was "No.".

Why?

His reason was that, at her age and after smoking for so long, the stresses of stopping smoking would shorten her lifespan by more than stopping smoking would extend it.

 

[SLC]

I smoke cigars. I like smoking cigars. I am going to die whether I stop smoking or not. So I am going to enjoy my cigars. I don't care if its unhealthy. I am not putting up with somebody telling me to stop. They can mind their own business.

I'm not trying to stop you from smoking cigars. But I have worked with patients that have had throat, larynx and mouth cancer surgeries . Cigar smokers have a much higher chance of contracting throat, larynx , mouth , lung cancers and heart disease. Trust me you wouldn't enjoy those. Dying from throat larynx and mouth cancer particularly suck. I rather die from old age in bed. Enjoy your smokes.

 

[RAMOSS]

It changed my life. No more waking up in the middle of the night gagging for air and I can walk up a mountain with ease since giving up cigs for vaping.


If people are putting THC, dope or anything else into their vape juice, that's their problem. Leave the rest of us alone.

Actually, it seems the problem is some of the bootleg products use vitamin E oil as a vaping base, and that is what is causing the lung damage.

 

[RAMOSS]

What the AMA failed to list is that most of the causes are due to THC and CBD oils.

the THC oils that people were smoking and dying was for 2 reasons.

1. they contained synthetic marajuana aka bathsalts.
2. some of the THC oil out there contains vitamin E acetate

this is an oil substance that is used to cut and stretch THC oils.
THis stuff is like tar almost.

I have not seen other people getting sick from smoking regular regulated nicotine products.
it seems to be all of the THC and CBD oils or whatever it is called.

Vaping-Related Death Toll Rises to 42, CDC Confirms | Time

US health officials link vaping deaths to vitamin E acetate | News | DW | 08.11.2019

 

[PirateMk1]

Although it is "anecdotal evidence" and, therefore, should not be relied on in any scientific sense, you might find it amusing that, when my mother (at around 72 years of age) asked her doctor if she should stop smoking (which she had been doing for around 50 years) his advice was "No.".

Why?

His reason was that, at her age and after smoking for so long, the stresses of stopping smoking would shorten her lifespan by more than stopping smoking would extend it.

George Burns lived to 99 and he smoked cigars daily.

 

[PirateMk1]

I'm not trying to stop you from smoking cigars. But I have worked with patients that have had throat, larynx and mouth cancer surgeries . Cigar smokers have a much higher chance of contracting throat, larynx , mouth , lung cancers and heart disease. Trust me you wouldn't enjoy those. Dying from throat larynx and mouth cancer particularly suck. I rather die from old age in bed. Enjoy your smokes.

I could also be run over by a bus or bitten by a diseased bug. Life is a terminal disease. I will take my chances with my smokes. By the way my doctor smokes. Best doctor I ever had. One of the few practitioners that know how to combine homeopathic medicine with standard medicine well. I find I do best with those kind, I dislike pills and he has helps me get well with a minimum of them.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

US health officials link vaping deaths to vitamin E acetate | News | DW | 08.11.2019

Is it SPECIFICALLY prohibited to use Vitamin E acetate in vaping products? Is Vitamin E acetate a product that the FDA has banned for human consumption?

If the answer to both of those two questions is "No.", then there is absolutely nothing illegal about anyone using it in their products.

If there is nothing illegal about someone using it in their products, then it is purely a marketing decision (based on maximizing profits) whether or not to use it in a product.

Marketing decisions are an essential and underlying part of Capitalism.

The United States of America owes its existence and prosperity to Capitalism.

Therefore to complain about someone using Vitamin E acetate in a completely legal manner that is consistent with the basic premises of Capitalism is akin to an attack on the very existence and prosperity of the United States of America.

An attack on the very existence and prosperity of the United States of America is (in the same sense as the Founding Fathers knew the word [ref Philip Vigol and John Mitchell {Whiskey Rebellion}, John Fries {Fries' Rebellion}, William Dorr {Dorr Rebellion}, John Brown and Aaron Dwight Stevens {the raid on Harpers Ferry}, Walter Allen {the Miner's March}, and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg {Cold War}]) "Treason".

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[SLC]

I could also be run over by a bus or bitten by a diseased bug. Life is a terminal disease. I will take my chances with my smokes. By the way my doctor smokes. Best doctor I ever had. One of the few practitioners that know how to combine homeopathic medicine with standard medicine well. I find I do best with those kind, I dislike pills and he has helps me get well with a minimum of them.

Homeopathic medicine is a scam. Word of advice if you develop mouth tongue larynx cancer consider jumping in front of that bus.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Homeopathic medicine is a scam.

Surprisingly enough ANYTHING that the patient fully believes WILL alleviate a medical (as opposed to surgical) condition has a statistical record of working and ANYTHING that the patient fully believes will NOT alleviate a medical (as opposed to surgical) condition has a statistical record of NOT working.

Word of advice if you develop mouth tongue larynx cancer consider jumping in front of that bus.

I am sure that everyone thanks you for your heart-felt expression of compassion and concern as much as I do.

 

[JasperL]

Sources? And if it's harmless, why didnt the cig companies remove it from the cigs instead of upping the nicotine % content? Oh...because it's the addictive substance?

The question doesn't make a lot of sense as stated. Nicotine is widely recognized as addictive, but it's also well recognized that nicotine by itself, such as delivered through nicotine gum, or patches, or vaping, is FAR, FAR less harmless than tobacco. The evidence appears to show nicotine standing alone is not very risky at all, especially to adults. There are also mental benefits for some users if not paired with tobacco use.

You can do the research, but here's one of many articles on the subject:

Cardiovascular Toxicity of Nicotine: Implications for Electronic Cigarette Use

Electronic cigarettes deliver nicotine without combustion of tobacco and appear to pose low cardiovascular risk, at least with short term use, in healthy users.

The problem is there isn't a lot of long term safety data for those who didn't ever use tobacco. Prior to vaping, it was patches and gum, and most users of those products were doing it to break a years or decades long tobacco habit.