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Almost 300 migrant children removed from Texas facility described as 'appalling'

This must be that "personal responsibility" thing I've heard so much about.

"The democrats made us do it."

No, it's a response to lying HYPOCRITICAL leftist who want to paint Trump as though this is unique to Trump, which is a lie. This is part of the law that liberals won't work to change.
 
WTF are you talking about?

It's a pretty easy question to answer. I asked if you are a birther?

Slick said;

Obama never vetted anyone coming into our country.

and you replied in part;

Well it all goes hand in hand with the fact that Obama was never vetted either.

What were you referring to?
 
It's a pretty easy question to answer. I asked if you are a birther?

Slick said;



and you replied in part;



What were you referring to?

Vetting is something the Left doesn't do, they clearly hire their politicians on bumper slogans and emotion. The Left is all about politics all of the time, never anything of substance. These illegals coming in are purely for political advantage, the left doesn't care who they are as long as they serve the leftist agenda.............same with Obama. He was picked to fill a leftist agenda. Does that clear it up for you?

As far as your playing on the birther thing, if you actually spent the time to go back and look at what I said then.............I said if the Sec State of Hawaii certified his birth in Hawaii, the birther thing was made irrelevant. But I doubt you'll take the time.
 
Vetting is something the Left doesn't do, they clearly hire their politicians on bumper slogans and emotion. The Left is all about politics all of the time, never anything of substance. These illegals coming in are purely for political advantage, the left doesn't care who they are as long as they serve the leftist agenda.............same with Obama. He was picked to fill a leftist agenda. Does that clear it up for you?

That didn't answer my question American.

Do you hold the belief that Barack Obama was born outside the United States and was therefore ineligible to be president under the provisions of the US Constitution?
 
That didn't answer my question American.

Do you hold the belief that Barack Obama was born outside the United States and was therefore ineligible to be president under the provisions of the US Constitution?

Read my edited response, WE ARE DONE HERE. Stop ****ing up, you're way wrong about me.
 
Read my edited response, WE ARE DONE HERE. Stop ****ing up, you're way wrong about me.

I have no desire to go through your posts American. I'm asking based on the comment you made in this thread. I assume it's ok to ask for clarification on something you raised in a post?

You said Obama was never vetted and I asked for clarification to what you are actually referring to with the "vetted" comment. Vetted by who?
 
I am not at all surprised. Trump ran on mass deportations and said Muslims should register and their immigration banned. He never cared about the rights of people in this country other than his base, and the base doesn't care about anybody's rights but their own. With the dehumanizing speech like calling these kids invaders and the flippant attitude of kids already having been reported dying and being lost in US custody, it's not surprised Trump and his base got us here.

How many of those poor children have you offered to foster in your home?
 
No, this happened under Obama.

Obama isn’t president right now. Trump ended catch and release for long term detainment and family separation. Under Trump we have over flowing detainment centers and people being help in makeshift camps. No Trump supporter ever cared or showed concern for these people or their rights. When the first child died in US custody Trumpers attacked the parents. When Trump separated families, Trumpers again, attacked the people trying to apply for refugee status. You have called these people invaders. You have demonized and dehumanized them. There were even disgusting reports of Jew funded caravans. And now that a little bit had been exposed, you take it as an opportunity to attack Democrats. As far as I can tell, Trump and his base were never concerned about these people and still aren’t. You just want to play politics and say it’s all Obama’s fault. How much more dishonest can you be?
 
How many of those poor children have you offered to foster in your home?

These people are being treated as criminals, and not as refugees in need of sponsoring. I find your statement to be a mixture of ignorance and inability to take responsibility for what you what you voted for. It’s not my personal responsibility to open my house and fix this. This is worse than the Japanese interment camps, and it’s a stain on America. Nothing I personally do will change that.

There are people on trial for leaving water and food in desert so these people don’t die. If I house an illegal, ICE could break my door down, and since my husband is in the immigration process, I don’t want to take a risk. Morning Joe also reported that the day after reports were released, many people tried to donate soap and toothpaste, but donations were turned away because they actually have supplies on hand. The people running the camps just aren’t giving them soap, toothpaste, or showers.

Don’t try to turn this around on me. You should not allow the government to treat anybody like this.
 
Can you offer proof that this started under trump and not Obama. Are you saying Thomas Homan the associate director of ICE under Obama is lying. Because he said he personally oversaw the building of 3000 "cages" during the Obama administration.

Barack Obama's ICE Chief: Don't Blame Trump, ‘Cages’ For Illegals Were Built By Obama Administration | Daily Wire

I am fully aware of the facts, and Obama is fully responsible for his policies and Trump is responsible for his. You’re either being dishonest or you don’t know the facts, because Trump changes Obama’s policies. Trump stop catch and release for detainment and family separation. Trump’s policy is to also detain people at legal checkpoints applying for asylum, which they are legally allowed to do. Trump treats people like criminals for simply approaching a checkpoint. Obama would not detain them nor did he do family separation. Add to that, the mass deportations and ICE raids, and we have a full blown humanitarian crisis under Trump with overcrowded camps. Many camps are makeshift and function as tent cities and open containment. Kids have been lost in the process, and essentially creating orphans. It’s unacceptable.

I was aware when Obama was president that a lot of horrible conditions and policies were in place, but Trump’s policies and the conditions are far far worse and it’s now a humanitarian crisis.
 
Well Shewolf who is lying you are Homan?

I don’t know who Homan is, but if you continue to call me a liar, I will seek mod action
 
I am fully aware of the facts, and Obama is fully responsible for his policies and Trump is responsible for his. You’re either being dishonest or you don’t know the facts, because Trump changes Obama’s policies. Trump stop catch and release for detainment and family separation. Trump’s policy is to also detain people at legal checkpoints applying for asylum, which they are legally allowed to do. Trump treats people like criminals for simply approaching a checkpoint. Obama would not detain them nor did he do family separation. Add to that, the mass deportations and ICE raids, and we have a full blown humanitarian crisis under Trump with overcrowded camps. Many camps are makeshift and function as tent cities and open containment. Kids have been lost in the process, and essentially creating orphans. It’s unacceptable.

I was aware when Obama was president that a lot of horrible conditions and policies were in place, but Trump’s policies and the conditions are far far worse and it’s now a humanitarian crisis.

You're trying to use facts. That's pure Krytonite to much of the Trump base.
 
These people are being treated as criminals, and not as refugees in need of sponsoring. I find your statement to be a mixture of ignorance and inability to take responsibility for what you what you voted for. It’s not my personal responsibility to open my house and fix this. This is worse than the Japanese interment camps, and it’s a stain on America. Nothing I personally do will change that.

There are people on trial for leaving water and food in desert so these people don’t die. If I house an illegal, ICE could break my door down, and since my husband is in the immigration process, I don’t want to take a risk. Morning Joe also reported that the day after reports were released, many people tried to donate soap and toothpaste, but donations were turned away because they actually have supplies on hand. The people running the camps just aren’t giving them soap, toothpaste, or showers.

Don’t try to turn this around on me. You should not allow the government to treat anybody like this.

Of course, citizens have no responsibility for the actions of their government, relinquishing any amelioration through personal responses.

Damn well, I will turn this around on every complainant. Either get off your collective derrieres and do something positive or stop whining. Be a "good German" and do nothing. OMG, ICE will coming knocking down your doors in the early mornings of dawn! :rofl

Yes, it is your personal responsibility. We are our brothers keepers. The Arizona courts cannot bring 100k Scott Warren's to trials and they can't lock them up. They don't have enough police or judges. Besides there is a big difference between those acting like Scott, and those who offer to foster the children in detention with no parents or legal guardians to release them to at the end of 20 days of detention as they are lawfully obligated. Volunteering through legitimate social services is not breaking the laws of the land. But a better temporary solution than cages. So cut the crap, and get off your derriere. The State of Texas Social Services is accepting applications. The State of Californias hasn't received one application, New Mexico, 2.
 
What makes this unbelievable to you?

Media + lawyer does not always make for a believable story. Generally the opposite.

Per the article these abused children were sent to a "tent detention camp".

That's sure to be a solution to the problem.
 
The nation (well, 70% of it) IS civilized and compassionate. But this Trump administration certainly isn't. The hypocrisy of the "Christian" Pence is astounding.

The simple fact is that this facility was designed to house 100 and now it's forced to hold 300+. Without the budget to do so. This is true of the entire top to bottom pipeline. Something has to give. The only thing to give is the care provided. Trump administration did not build these facilities. None are less than 2 years old. Nor did he create the problem. Trump inherited both.

So what's the left's answer? Who knows. They claim that the kiddos do not have beds. There is inadequate space available. Yet when a shipment of beds is scheduled for a new facility, the shipping crew refuses to deliver and the Democratic congress people agree. How does that improve the situation?
 
Of course, citizens have no responsibility for the actions of their government, relinquishing any amelioration through personal responses.

Damn well, I will turn this around on every complainant. Either get off your collective derrieres and do something positive or stop whining. Be a "good German" and do nothing. OMG, ICE will coming knocking down your doors in the early mornings of dawn! :rofl

Yes, it is your personal responsibility. We are our brothers keepers. The Arizona courts cannot bring 100k Scott Warren's to trials and they can't lock them up. They don't have enough police or judges. Besides there is a big difference between those acting like Scott, and those who offer to foster the children in detention with no parents or legal guardians to release them to at the end of 20 days of detention as they are lawfully obligated. Volunteering through legitimate social services is not breaking the laws of the land. But a better temporary solution than cages. So cut the crap, and get off your derriere. The State of Texas Social Services is accepting applications. The State of Californias hasn't received one application, New Mexico


These kids are not in foster care. They are in cages and the president labels them invaders and criminals. Trump is not his brothers keeper. Trump talks like he only cares about his base. He insults many other Americans and divides America. America is not acting like it’s brothers keeper. What I do, in my spare time and volunteer work, is my business. I am not responsible for government failure, and this humanitarian crisis is not going to be resolved by people offering to foster these kids. This a huge problem not only affecting kids, but adults too. The government is detaining people seeking asylum at legal check points, and treating them like criminals, and housing them in unacceptable conditions. Does that not bother you in the least? Do you not care about other people’s rights?

And if you’re so naive to think some good Americans trying to foster this kids, is a solution to the issue, then how many of these kids are you willing? Because I bet you haven’t filled out an app yourself.

All you’re doing is trying to shift blame onto me personally, and like others in the thread, you just can’t condemn the Administration or criticize the policies. This isn’t about me.
 
No, it's a response to lying HYPOCRITICAL leftist who want to paint Trump as though this is unique to Trump, which is a lie. This is part of the law that liberals won't work to change.

No, it's not unique to Trump. Lots of authoritarian people shoved people in camps.
 
I am fully aware of the facts, and Obama is fully responsible for his policies and Trump is responsible for his. You’re either being dishonest or you don’t know the facts, because Trump changes Obama’s policies. Trump stop catch and release for detainment and family separation. Trump’s policy is to also detain people at legal checkpoints applying for asylum, which they are legally allowed to do. Trump treats people like criminals for simply approaching a checkpoint. Obama would not detain them nor did he do family separation. Add to that, the mass deportations and ICE raids, and we have a full blown humanitarian crisis under Trump with overcrowded camps. Many camps are makeshift and function as tent cities and open containment. Kids have been lost in the process, and essentially creating orphans. It’s unacceptable.

I was aware when Obama was president that a lot of horrible conditions and policies were in place, but Trump’s policies and the conditions are far far worse and it’s now a humanitarian crisis.
Trump signed an E.O. to stop family separations. Obama was called the Deporter in Chief.
 
Of course, citizens have no responsibility for the actions of their government, relinquishing any amelioration through personal responses.

Damn well, I will turn this around on every complainant. Either get off your collective derrieres and do something positive or stop whining. Be a "good German" and do nothing. OMG, ICE will coming knocking down your doors in the early mornings of dawn! :rofl

Yes, it is your personal responsibility. We are our brothers keepers. The Arizona courts cannot bring 100k Scott Warren's to trials and they can't lock them up. They don't have enough police or judges. Besides there is a big difference between those acting like Scott, and those who offer to foster the children in detention with no parents or legal guardians to release them to at the end of 20 days of detention as they are lawfully obligated. Volunteering through legitimate social services is not breaking the laws of the land. But a better temporary solution than cages. So cut the crap, and get off your derriere. The State of Texas Social Services is accepting applications. The State of Californias hasn't received one application, New Mexico, 2.

That's just not true, we're all being lied to. These kids, many of them are kept for weeks and even months. In one case in Homestead where the team of lawyers inspected, one 14 year old boy had been there 3 months. He was wearing a wrist bracelet with "American mother" written on it in indelible ink. The lawyers had case workers that followed up with this boy and found out his mother is living in California and has been living there for a long time. They called her. She was hysterical finding out her boy was right here, in Florida.
 
That's just not true, we're all being lied to. These kids, many of them are kept for weeks and even months. In one case in Homestead where the team of lawyers inspected, one 14 year old boy had been there 3 months. He was wearing a wrist bracelet with "American mother" written on it in indelible ink. The lawyers had case workers that followed up with this boy and found out his mother is living in California and has been living there for a long time. They called her. She was hysterical finding out her boy was right here, in Florida.

What kind of government tears children away form their parents and holds them in camps? What kind of corporation profits off this kind of incarceration?

I pity the citizens in whose name this is done.

They have truly lost their way.
 
What kind of government tears children away form their parents and holds them in camps? What kind of corporation profits off this kind of incarceration?

I pity the citizens in whose name this is done.

They have truly lost their way.

Obviously it's the result of a government gone rotten. And with the new bill passed, there's going to be even more of these detention camps being opened up.
 
Trump signed an E.O. to stop family separations. Obama was called the Deporter in Chief.

Uh-huh

Exactly one year ago on Thursday, after a national uproar, Donald Trump signed an executive order ending his administration’s policy of separating migrant children from their parents. Six days later, a federal judge ordered the reunification of thousands of parents and children whom the American government had torn apart. Even though the separation policy had already been officially halted, the court issued a preliminary injunction against it. ...But if there’s one thing this administration rarely backs down on, it’s cruelty. Family separation, it turns out, never really stopped. According to Lee Gelernt, deputy director of the A.C.L.U.’s National Immigrants’ Rights Project, just over 700 families were separated between last June and late May. Without legal or political intervention, he fears that the number could reach 1,000 by the end of this summer. In New York alone, Anthony Enriquez, director of the unaccompanied minors program for Catholic Charities, estimated that his office has seen more than 100 separated kids in the last year. “As the time between the injunction and the present increases, more and more separated youth are in fact arriving in New York shelters,” he said.

...There are kids in this country being systematically brutalized by the American government, and it’s hard to keep that in the forefront of your mind all the time without going mad. I understand why, bombarded with stories about the Trump administration’s sadism, people can just shut down. One some level, I think Trump understands this as well.

The truth has died. Fascism has arrived.
 
Obviously it's the result of a government gone rotten. And with the new bill passed, there's going to be even more of these detention camps being opened up.

There are plenty of people, some right here, only too happy to deny it, defend it, rationalize it or change the subject.

Bystanders, without whom atrocities cannot occur.
 
That's just not true, we're all being lied to. These kids, many of them are kept for weeks and even months. In one case in Homestead where the team of lawyers inspected, one 14 year old boy had been there 3 months. He was wearing a wrist bracelet with "American mother" written on it in indelible ink. The lawyers had case workers that followed up with this boy and found out his mother is living in California and has been living there for a long time. They called her. She was hysterical finding out her boy was right here, in Florida.

Really? What lies? The law is the law, regardless of whether or not it is being fulfilled. One case is all you have as an example? With no proof it wasn't an oversight, or any investigation into the boy's own actions for not seeking out his parent? You'll have to do much better before making any accusations. And show me where I said they were being released within the terms of the law.

And nevertheless, you haven't opened your home to fostering some of the children you whine about. Why not? Many, if not most, have no parents or guardians seeking them. Many were sold by their families to other adults who hoped to use them as a reason for being granted asylum. Your sentiment is meaningless without action. No excuses.
 
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