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Allan Dershowitz says no crime

JasperL said:
I'm not aware he holds himself out as an attorney for campaigns in any capacity, much less as strategist, which is what he was opining on in most of that piece. He said that impeachment was a political loser for Democrats. Why should I care more about his view than yours, or mine?
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I was joking about politicians needing defense lawyers.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Cut me a break. :doh

Your entire response was one big ad hominin, attacking Dershowitz's character citing all those "bad people" he has defended.

Then you deflect to the ACLU? Asking me for MY "Liberal credentials?"

How about stopping with all the character assassination efforts and just discuss the issue? Otherwise, tagline time. :coffeepap:
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Dershowitz is currently fighting a defamation suit brought by a Epstein victim. He hung out with Epstein and is trying to get it thrown out now.

Dershowitz is not arguing he defamed her he is saying she missed out because of statue of limitations. Not his finest hour.
 
Chomsky said:
Exactly. We can't forget this is the guy that helped get Epstein off-the-hook. And now he's lobbying for Trump, who ironically is one of Epstein's partying buddies.
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You mean he did his job as a defense attorney? I hope you never need the services of one, but if you ever do I hope he/she is every bit as effective as Dershowitz.
 
Simpletruther said:
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One of the most respected legal minds in the world, and certainly not biased toward republicans, says there was no crime, and this may hurt the dems.
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Dershowitz is only respected by OJ and Trumpkins.
 
Moon said:
You mean he did his job as a defense attorney? I hope you never need the services of one, but if you ever do I hope he/she is every bit as effective as Dershowitz.
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The short version is the OP is an appeal to authority. The linked video is titled, "Alan Dershowitz: Impeachment will backfire on Dems"

For the issues at stake in this case, I don't even recognize him as AN authority, much less one whose opinion I need to respect any more than any other talking head with an opinion and willing to go on TV to express it. Impeachment is political. The impact of impeachment on the 2020 congressional and POTUS races is all political. Dersh is a defense attorney...

If the issue was whether or not post-Presidency Trump can be indicted, tried and convicted of a crime in a criminal court, and potentially jailed, Dersh's opinion might be relevant.
 
JasperL said:
The short version is the OP is an appeal to authority. The linked video is titled, "Alan Dershowitz: Impeachment will backfire on Dems"

For the issues at stake in this case, I don't even recognize him as AN authority, much less one whose opinion I need to respect any more than any other talking head with an opinion and willing to go on TV to express it. Impeachment is political. The impact of impeachment on the 2020 congressional and POTUS races is all political. Dersh is a defense attorney...

If the issue was whether or not post-Presidency Trump can be indicted, tried and convicted of a crime in a criminal court, and potentially jailed, Dersh's opinion might be relevant.
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Like most talking heads on TV he also has a bia. It would be rather awkward for him to argue that Trump should be impeached while selling a book arguing that Trump should not be impeached.

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One thing nobody discussed is how Dershowitz characterizes Trump's actions as "rough politics." That's a euphemism for immoral political activities. At least he's honest enough to admit there is something "rough" and "political" here. Trump is using his power to play political hardball against his opponents.

I wish the interviewer had the courage to ask him what he meant by "rough politics."
 
JasperL said:
The short version is the OP is an appeal to authority. The linked video is titled, "Alan Dershowitz: Impeachment will backfire on Dems"

For the issues at stake in this case, I don't even recognize him as AN authority, much less one whose opinion I need to respect any more than any other talking head with an opinion and willing to go on TV to express it. Impeachment is political. The impact of impeachment on the 2020 congressional and POTUS races is all political. Dersh is a defense attorney...

If the issue was whether or not post-Presidency Trump can be indicted, tried and convicted of a crime in a criminal court, and potentially jailed, Dersh's opinion might be relevant.
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Well, of course it’s an appeal to authority, just like a whole lot of other threads on this site. Like the Harvard professor (I think) who claims Trump retweeting someone else is impeachable. Random opinions only ever gain traction because the person stating the opinion has some perceived authority.

At any rate, Dershowitz has been around the court and constitutional issues enough that I’ll listen to his opinion, just like I listen to others with similar credentials. That doesn’t mean I agree with them, but I respect their knowledge and background.

Please note my comment was only about Dershowitz as defense counsel for Epstein in response to Chomsky’s post that he got Epstein off. That is the job of defense attorneys, and I’ve never said anything contrary to that, regardless of the situation.
 
Simpletruther said:
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One of the most respected legal minds in the world, and certainly not biased toward republicans, says there was no crime, and this may hurt the dems.
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He always says that. For him, a crime has to be on the order of shooting someone on 5th avenue.
 
roughdraft274 said:
They'll change their minds as soon as they start up another Benghazi type ie about the next president after Trump gets his ass kicked in 2020.
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and just which one of the dwarves will be doing the "kicking"?
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Like most talking heads on TV he also has a bia. It would be rather awkward for him to argue that Trump should be impeached while selling a book arguing that Trump should not be impeached.

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One thing nobody discussed is how Dershowitz characterizes Trump's actions as "rough politics." That's a euphemism for immoral political activities. At least he's honest enough to admit there is something "rough" and "political" here. Trump is using his power to play political hardball against his opponents.

I wish the interviewer had the courage to ask him what he meant by "rough politics."
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Everyone in the world, save you, knows what it means.
 
smallvoice said:
Everyone in the world, save you, knows what it means.
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Fantastic, you tell me. What did Dershowitz mean by "rough politics?" What was the politics? What was the "rough"?

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JasperL said:
I know this is an ad hominem attack, but the guy defended Epstein, and got him a sweetheart deal. I don't really care what he has to say. He's got an opinion like a lot of other people and I'd rather hear from someone whose ethics aren't clearly for sale to the highest bidder.

Most of what he says is political opinion. Who cares? What campaigns has he run? What offices has he been elected to?
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Dershowitz is also suspected of of partaking in some of the services Epstein offered at his island
 
smallvoice said:
Everyone in the world, save you, knows what it means.
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What it means to me is the sort of global "both sides" excuse. Everyone in politics is corrupt, everyone breaks the rules, laws are for little people, all that matters is winning, don't worry about abuses of power because everyone does it.

That's of course a big reason why a lot of us think Trump is so damaging long term. If he does it, his supporters adopt that as the new 'normal' and expected and that's the new standard of behavior.
 
Simpletruther said:
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One of the most respected legal minds in the world, and certainly not biased toward republicans, says there was no crime, and this may hurt the dems.
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Please shwo that Allan Dershowitz 'has one of the most respected legal minds'. I mean, this is a guy who defending Jeffery Epstein, and he wants to reduce the age of consent. I mean, that seems entirely creepy to me.
 
Chomsky said:
Exactly. We can't forget this is the guy that helped get Epstein off-the-hook. And now he's lobbying for Trump, who ironically is one of Epstein's partying buddies.
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And, in addition, he pushed for the lowering of the age of consent.
 
Simpletruther said:
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One of the most respected legal minds in the world, and certainly not biased toward republicans, says there was no crime, and this may hurt the dems.
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Yes, a "respected legal mind" who claims to this day he "knows for a fact" O.J. is innocent of murder. A "respected legal mind" who claims he "kept his underwear on" while getting a massage at Jeffery Epstein's house.

LOL - thanks for the laugh!
 
JasperL said:
What it means to me is the sort of global "both sides" excuse. Everyone in politics is corrupt, everyone breaks the rules, laws are for little people, all that matters is winning, don't worry about abuses of power because everyone does it.

That's of course a big reason why a lot of us think Trump is so damaging long term. If he does it, his supporters adopt that as the new 'normal' and expected and that's the new standard of behavior.
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I personally don't care why you think Trump's behavior is the "new normal". I do not. It is certainly better than any liberal scheme that deflates American ingenuity and will to succeed.
 
Simpletruther said:
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One of the most respected legal minds in the world, and certainly not biased toward republicans, says there was no crime, and this may hurt the dems.
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Well, the crime is what the Democrats are doing...
 
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