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All This Panic Could Have Been Avoided If Trump Started Working On It In January

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41 minute podcast and interview highlights in link. I did not get to listen to this, just saw it online and thought some here may be interested.

Apocalyptic novelist Max Brooks is something of an expert on planning for pandemics and other disasters. The author, whose books include World War Z, Germ Warfare and the forthcoming Devolution, has toured the CDC and reviewed government response plans related to various emergency situations — all in the course of research.

"We have a network in place that we as taxpayers have been funding to get us ready for something just like this," Brooks says of the U.S. response to the COVID-19 pandemic. But, he adds, "we have been disastrously slow and disorganized from day one."

Brooks says the notion that the U.S. government was blindsided by the pandemic is "an onion of layered lies."

"What could have happened when this virus exploded — even when Wuhan was locked down — is we could have put the word out," he says. "The government could have put the word out to ramp up emergency supplies to get them ready, and then have an information strategy in place."

Instead, Brooks says, President Trump was slow to acknowledge the virus as a real threat. And thus far, the president has resisted using the Defense Production Act to force private companies to manufacture masks, gloves and other essential supplies in the fight against the coronavirus. Many government task forces that plan for disasters have yet to be activated in this crisis.

"One of the biggest problems we're facing now is panic. You see it in the stock market. You see it in panic buying," he says. "'All of this panic could have been prevented. ... If the president had been working since January to get the organs of government ready for this, we as citizens could have been calmed down knowing that the people that we trust to protect us are doing that."

Author Max Brooks On COVID-19: 'All Of This Panic Could Have Been Prevented' : NPR
 
We will hopefully learn from this, and we will hopefully all help government pass legislation that helps make us the world leader in responding to pandemics. But, since there isn’t big money in it...just saving lives, I see little evidence Republicans will be that excited about it.
 
41 minute podcast and interview highlights in link. I did not get to listen to this, just saw it online and thought some here may be interested.



Author Max Brooks On COVID-19: 'All Of This Panic Could Have Been Prevented' : NPR

I do not think the panic could have been prevented by anything short of an ability to see perfectly into the future. And it would have had to be foreseen a decade ago to have prepared for it in any manner that would have come close to adequate. I do concede that Donald Trump certainly should have immediately moved to replenish the Federal government's emergency medical supply stockpile that President George W. Bush had put into place and which was used up by President Barack Obama to fight H1N1.

But no matter what, people would still be out of work and many businesses will be closed forever as a result of this. There still would have been a rush on grocery stores for household supplies and non-perishable foods. This disease is going to cause many of us to lose loved ones who may have survived less serious viral infections due to overwhelming our healthcare infrastructure. Nothing could have or would have completely prevented the sense of emotional panic and dread over this virus.
 
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We will hopefully learn from this, and we will hopefully all help government pass legislation that helps make us the world leader in responding to pandemics. But, since there isn’t big money in it...just saving lives, I see little evidence Republicans will be that excited about it.

That is an incredibly nasty comment. It was the George W. Bush administration which put medical emergency preparedness into place back in 2006. It was because of that preparedness that Obama had the supplies necessary to respond to the H1N1 outbreak back in 2009. Partisan bickering never served to save a single life.
 
41 minute podcast and interview highlights in link. I did not get to listen to this, just saw it online and thought some here may be interested.



Author Max Brooks On COVID-19: 'All Of This Panic Could Have Been Prevented' : NPR

The panic could have been avoided had the democrats in the House been working on it in January instead of tying up all three branches in a pointless political stunt known as Impeachment that stretched into the first week of February after which the democrats obsessed on ermagard, Trump is going to start World War III by bombing a terrorist.
 
41 minute podcast and interview highlights in link. I did not get to listen to this, just saw it online and thought some here may be interested.



Author Max Brooks On COVID-19: 'All Of This Panic Could Have Been Prevented' : NPR

Yeah, and?

Virtually no western leaders took this seriously. And truthfully you can’t take every case of Chinese sniffles seriously because it would create massive inefficiencies in global markets. This was the one off.

A handful of Asian countries that don’t trust China and were worried about SARS took it more seriously and thus did better, but you can’t really criticize Trump unless you criticize the entire EU, Britain etc evenly.

In South America they did nothing at all until last week then suddenly they were rounding up foreigners and telling them to get hell out.
 
I do not think the panic could have been prevented by anything short of an ability to see perfectly into the future. And it would have had to be foreseen a decade ago to have prepared for it in any manner that would have come close to adequate. I do concede that Donald Trump certainly should have immediately moved to replenish the Federal government's emergency medical supply stockpile that President George W. Bush had put into place and which was used up by President Barack Obama to fight H1N1.

But no matter what, people would still be out of work and many businesses will be closed forever as a result of this. There still would have been a rush on grocery stores for household supplies and non-perishable foods. This disease is going to cause many of us to lose loved ones who may have survived less serious viral infections due to overwhelming our healthcare infrastructure. Nothing could have or would have completely prevented the sense of emotional panic and dread over this virus.

All the signs were there. All the evidence was there that this was going to be much, much worse than the flu.

Trump decided not to test people because he felt that higher numbers could lead to an election defeat.

Be careful what you wish for, Mr. President, because you just might get it.
 
The panic could have been avoided had the democrats in the House been working on it in January instead of tying up all three branches in a pointless political stunt known as Impeachment that stretched into the first week of February after which the democrats obsessed on ermagard,

Your president made the decision not to open up mass testing the way South Korea did. Not Congress.

Trump is going to start World War III by bombing a terrorist.

How many casualties from COVID-19 do you require for an adequate comparison to wartime deaths?
 
That is an incredibly nasty comment. It was the George W. Bush administration which put medical emergency preparedness into place back in 2006. It was because of that preparedness that Obama had the supplies necessary to respond to the H1N1 outbreak back in 2009. Partisan bickering never served to save a single life.

You say this, as you liked a partisan bickering post by "Drawdown". Ironic, eh?
 
The President should have shut down this country the second he heard about patient one in Wuhan.
 
China admitted human to human transmission on January 20th.
 
All the signs were there. All the evidence was there that this was going to be much, much worse than the flu.

Trump decided not to test people because he felt that higher numbers could lead to an election defeat.

Be careful what you wish for, Mr. President, because you just might get it.

That is not the problem that is causing the panic.

The panic is caused by supply shortages (of everything), the lack of ICU beads and respirators, AND the stay-at-home orders and business shut down orders. Nothing any president could have done would completely prevent a sense of panic. Nothing. However well-prepared the Federal government was, you cannot tell some tens of million business owners to shutter their businesses and over a hundred million workers to stay home from work and somehow prevent a sense of anxiety and growing sense of panic.
 
You say this, as you liked a partisan bickering post by "Drawdown". Ironic, eh?

It was not a partisan comment, Puigb. Drawdown was correct. It was second guessing Monday Morning Quarterbacking nonsense, because, as I said, even if Donald Trump had done everything recommended by Max Brooks, it would not have prevented a panic.
 
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It was not a partisan comment, Puigb. Drawdown was correct. It was second guessing Monday Morning Quarterbacking nonsense, because, as I said, even if Donald Trump had done everything recommended by Max Brooks, it would not have prevented a panic.

Right, I'm sure.
 
That is not the problem that is causing the panic.

The panic is caused by supply shortages (of everything), the lack of ICU beads and respirators, AND the stay-at-home orders and business shut down orders. Nothing any president could have done would completely prevent a sense of panic. Nothing. However well-prepared the Federal government was, you cannot tell some tens of million business owners to shutter their businesses and over a hundred million workers to stay home from work and somehow prevent a sense of anxiety and growing sense of panic.

first, I'm not seeing the shortages you're seeing. And I'm going to type this real slow for you because I think I've overestimated your intelligence but the Federal Govt was not "well-prepared". the guy in charge of the Federal govt not only ignored the intel that could have made the Federal govt "well-prepared" but he was also telling us it was a hoax. This is actually starting to remind me of bush ignoring the intel that could have prevented 9-11. He too pushed back at reality for his own agenda.
 
first, I'm not seeing the shortages you're seeing. And I'm going to type this real slow for you because I think I've overestimated your intelligence but the Federal Govt was not "well-prepared". the guy in charge of the Federal govt not only ignored the intel that could have made the Federal govt "well-prepared" but he was also telling us it was a hoax. This is actually starting to remind me of bush ignoring the intel that could have prevented 9-11. He too pushed back at reality for his own agenda.

May I ask you something personal, Vern? Are you working right now?
 
May I ask you something personal, Vern? Are you working right now?

Because I like you felis I will answer your deflecting question. Yes I am working. Now can we get back your "well-prepared" comment that defies reality and ignores trump's gross incompetence?
 
41 minute podcast and interview highlights in link. I did not get to listen to this, just saw it online and thought some here may be interested.



Author Max Brooks On COVID-19: 'All Of This Panic Could Have Been Prevented' : NPR

Um, Trump DID start working on it in January. He instructed his CDC to offer China help, which was refused, and he banned travel from China in January. The story is a damned lie.

What was Cuomo doing in January to get ready? What was De Blasio doing? Both have done piss-poor jobs in their state and city. Trump has this thing almost licked. Things will start to level off before April 10 according to my calculations.
 
Because I like you felis I will answer your deflecting question. Yes I am working. Now can we get back your "well-prepared" comment that defies reality and ignores trump's gross incompetence?

That is good. I am not. The point I am making and I would argue is that most people are panicking due to being furloughed or permanently laid off and the uncertainty of not knowing when they will be able to go back to work, and if they do, whether they will have a job waiting for them. Most Americans do not have savings to cover cash emergencies. Thankfully I am not in that category, but I cannot live forever on my savings. The panic is not merely a matter of health, it is the fear of economic uncertainty and insecurity.

So let us pretend that Donald Trump had listened to his experts, never disbanded the CDC's Pandemic response team, and replenished the Federal emergency stockpile from the beginning of his tenure, and worked from around the clock from the time that this coronavirus appeared on our national intelligence's radar to build up the United States' medical infrastructure capacity to deal with the outbreak. Okay. Well, irrespective of that, tens of millions of workers would still be put on a stay-in-place order AND hundreds of thousands of businesses across the United States would have to be shuttered for an indeterminate length of time, because the goal is to flatten the curve of transmission.

We would still be facing the almost-certain prospect of a massive recession in order to combat the spread of this disease. There would be no realistic way around it, unless we are to be so callous as to say "Sayonara" to our friends and loved ones over 60, with compromised immune systems, or with preexisting cardiovascular and/or pulmonary disorders. Unless and until we are find some kind of quick-to-develop and distribute cure that in hindsight was just so incredibly obvious, we are stuck with a regimen that is going to brutally contract our nation's economy and will reverberate for years to come. Having a billion extra masks and a few tens of thousands of quickly-made new respirators would certainly have helped from the healthcare side for bettering capacity, but do nothing to cure the economic shock that is going to leave many people in this country in financial ruin.
 
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That is not the problem that is causing the panic.

The panic is caused by supply shortages (of everything), the lack of ICU beads and respirators, AND the stay-at-home orders and business shut down orders. Nothing any president could have done would completely prevent a sense of panic. Nothing. However well-prepared the Federal government was, you cannot tell some tens of million business owners to shutter their businesses and over a hundred million workers to stay home from work and somehow prevent a sense of anxiety and growing sense of panic.

Really? Define "panic." Are you talking about the very real fear that people are having about the worst pandemic to reach America in a century? Or the group psychology behind panic buying?

trump had all the warnings needed to make an informed decision all the way back in January but chose not to. You and I get to live with the consequences of that decision.
 
Second guessing bull****.

Nope. :) It is an accurate assessment of what your president chose to do when it was told all the way back in January, "We have a big problem about to come." But in its hubris, it fiddled while Rome was about to catch on fire.
 
first, I'm not seeing the shortages you're seeing. And I'm going to type this real slow for you because I think I've overestimated your intelligence but the Federal Govt was not "well-prepared". the guy in charge of the Federal govt not only ignored the intel that could have made the Federal govt "well-prepared" but he was also telling us it was a hoax. This is actually starting to remind me of bush ignoring the intel that could have prevented 9-11. He too pushed back at reality for his own agenda.

What trump did is much, much worse than what Bush did pre-9/11. Bush could get a hindsight-is-2020 pass for not recognizing how powerful that terrorist attack would be. trump had every piece of evidence at its disposal to understand the threat of COVID-19. But as usual, trump dismissed that evidence. To it, reelection was more important. :doh
 
I do not think the panic could have been prevented by anything short of an ability to see perfectly into the future. And it would have had to be foreseen a decade ago to have prepared for it in any manner that would have come close to adequate. I do concede that Donald Trump certainly should have immediately moved to replenish the Federal government's emergency medical supply stockpile that President George W. Bush had put into place and which was used up by President Barack Obama to fight H1N1.

But no matter what, people would still be out of work and many businesses will be closed forever as a result of this. There still would have been a rush on grocery stores for household supplies and non-perishable foods. This disease is going to cause many of us to lose loved ones who may have survived less serious viral infections due to overwhelming our healthcare infrastructure. Nothing could have or would have completely prevented the sense of emotional panic and dread over this virus.

Epidemic response 101.

1). move quickly and aggressively.
2). test and isolate
3). Backtrace contacts, test, isolate.
4). Test test test test

This is why we didn’t have a SARS, MERS, EBola, H1n1, Etc.. pandemic. If we had worked with China and pressure them, put in a global testing regime then we’d be mildly inconvenienced at worst.

Its like a fire. Put it out early and it’s not big deal. Trump unplugged the fire alarm, threw out the extinguishers, went back to sleep and was shocked when he woke up to a house was on fire.
 
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