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All black police force?

No, it was broken by 4 policemen. 2019 on 11 unarmed men killed by cops. Most of them were attacking.

Police killing unjustly is almost nonexistent. It happens maybe 3 or 4 times a year. This is utter nonsense as an issue.

It happens as many times as is shown by public record, so the moment you say "maybe" this turns into "Simpletruther's OPINION" as to how often it happens.

You might as well try saying that George Floyd’s death was ‘staged’ to hurt Trump as part of a mind control experiment. :lamo
 
Quoted in order of the least relevant first.


[...] my rosy red ass.
While I suspect you of lying about that as well, I will let it go and not demand you prove it.


You make it out like George Floyd was Dwayne The Rock Johnson or Rambo.
No, I actually didn't.
That may be how you took what I said, but is not what I actually said.


An unarmed and handcuffed suspect who can't be subdued by three cops?
Boy howdy I hope their wives don't ever hit them with their purses.

And you?
If you're that terrified at the prospect of an unarmed man in handcuffs, you should probably avoid pissing off a six year-old Girl Scout.

Just more hyperbolic nonsense showing you have no valid arguments.


The weight of three [...]
Yes the weight of the officers contributed to his death.


"Police are trained that this type of restraint with a subject in a prone position is inherently dangerous."
Not relevant.
Why isn't it relevant? Because you need to show how Minneapolis police are specifically trained, what exceptions are available, and show that it was done improperly.
None of this you have done, nor could you at this time.
And even then, something being done improperly makes it an error, not murder.


The knee-to-neck move is banned by several major metropolitan police departments, but Minneapolis police allow police to restrain suspects' necks if they're aggressive or resisting arrest. Floyd was unarmed and handcuffed when he was pinned to the ground.
That it is banned by other departments is irreverent to this case, and as your quote shows, it is allowed in Minneapolis. And whether you know it or not they are allowed to render the person unconscious.
So you are going to have to show it was implemented wrongly to make it an issue, and thus far no one can, especially as the knee was not the cause of his death.


Perhaps you could show us all where Floyd resisted with so much force that it took three officers (lie) AND the full weight of Chauvin on his neck to get him under control.
I've provided links to three videos:

Video 1: Security camera

Video 2: Body cam

Video 3: Cell phone video
:lamo
Video's 1. and 2 are basically useless.
Now if you saw video 3, (which requires a sign in, unless you do what I did and actually link to the video as a video source and preview the post) it shows Floyd resisting when being cuffed. (hint) It doesn't take two officer to apply cuffs to a person who is not resisting.
Then you can see Floyd resisting again as he is being lead to the other car. Non-cooperation in this manner is resisting. He is placing his feet forward to stop/slow forward progression and then he falls down. That act was also likely intentional on his part. He stated he did not want to go into the vehicle becasue he was claustrophobic, even though he was just seated in an enclosed drivers compartment of another vehicle (he is lying and resisting).


By the way, here is a much better conglomeration of the available video evidence by The New York Times.
I do not agree with the entirety of the narrative but the video evidence provided is good.

(If you do not view it in thread, it too will require a sign in.)
 
Time and place for everything, my friend. Have a nice day down there in paradise.

You say that on a day when the temperature dropped 10 degrees F but it sure is still pretty epic.
 
You say that on a day when the temperature dropped 10 degrees F but it sure is still pretty epic.

I've never been to NZ, personally. But I have a friend who vacationed there. Did the moped/scooter thing up in the NE area IIRC. He's been all over the world, and said NZ was the best time he ever had, bar none. And the pictures he brought back, and the stories he shared about hospitality, laid-back people, friendly people, certainly validated his testimony. Gotta say, I'm a bit envious, but certainly happy for you and the kids. Enjoy your special place you have down there. Just beware of the 'shrinkage' when you go surfing on those colder days. ;)
 
I've never been to NZ, personally. But I have a friend who vacationed there. Did the moped/scooter thing up in the NE area IIRC. He's been all over the world, and said NZ was the best time he ever had, bar none. And the pictures he brought back, and the stories he shared about hospitality, laid-back people, friendly people, certainly validated his testimony. Gotta say, I'm a bit envious, but certainly happy for you and the kids. Enjoy your special place you have down there. Just beware of the 'shrinkage' when you go surfing on those colder days. ;)

Long time surfer/body surfer so I know all about 'shrinkage'.

You gotta come out... we have a bit of everything. I am going to do another tour of the South Island next year. I live on the North Island.

A picture that I took of wildflowers in front of Mt Cook in January this year.

EDIT: I have no idea why ALL of my pics are upside down and it has nothing to do with living in the Southern Hemisphere.


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Long time surfer/body surfer so I know all about 'shrinkage'.

You gotta come out... we have a bit of everything. I am going to do another tour of the South Island next year. I live on the North Island.

A picture that I took of wildflowers in front of Mt Cook in January this year.

EDIT: I have no idea why ALL of my pics are upside down and it has nothing to do with living in the Southern Hemisphere.


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You're killing me now! Unfortunately, life dealt the wife I some unexpected cards in the last few years, so our long distance traveling days are most likely over. But that's OK. I've had a great life, lived a LOT, and seen a Lot, and have a LOT to do here.. So, now I will have to accept the current situation, which isn't really that bad, and with extreme sadness have to accept the fact I will never make it down to Kiwi Land and Australia. ( major bummer)
 
George Floyd did not resist arrest. But if anyone doubts the friend's word, the video shows that in no way was he resisting arrest.

Friend at the scene says George Floyd did not resist arrest before death

George Floyd's friend says he did not resist arrest before death
George Floyd tried to defuse the situation and was not resisting in any way before a Minneapolis cop pressed a knee into his neck shortly before he died, a friend who was in the slain man’s car said in an interview.

“He was, from the beginning, trying in his humblest form to show he was not resisting in no form or way,” Maurice Lester Hall told the New York Times.

“I could hear him pleading, ‘Please, officer, what’s all this for?’” Hall told the Times on Wednesday night. “He was just crying out at that time for anyone to help because he was dying.”

He added: “I’m going to always remember seeing the fear in Floyd’s face because he’s such a king. That’s what sticks with me, seeing a grown man cry, before seeing a grown man die.”



This guy uses the wrong statistic to manipulate you. Black people arnt 2.5 times more likely to be killed by a cop than white people, that's comparing death by cops vs population. If you compared the deaths by cops to run ins with the police than you get 3 black people are killed for every 10,000 arrested for violent crimes. Among whites its 4 killed for every 10,000 arrested for violent crimes. White people get killed more often.
 
You're killing me now! Unfortunately, life dealt the wife I some unexpected cards in the last few years, so our long distance traveling days are most likely over. But that's OK. I've had a great life, lived a LOT, and seen a Lot, and have a LOT to do here.. So, now I will have to accept the current situation, which isn't really that bad, and with extreme sadness have to accept the fact I will never make it down to Kiwi Land and Australia. ( major bummer)

I almost said let me know when you come so I can show you around! :(



But :mrgreen: ... I am glad that you both have been able to travel... Best of luck with the unexpected...
 
I almost said let me know when you come so I can show you around! :(



But :mrgreen: ... I am glad that you both have been able to travel... Best of luck with the unexpected...

Thanks, Bhodi. I really appreciate that, and even at my semi-advanced age, I would still kick your butt in those waters and experience less shrinkage. That's my story, and I'm sticking by it. :lol: :peace
 
George Floyd did not resist arrest. But if anyone doubts the friend's word, the video shows that in no way was he resisting arrest.

Friend at the scene says George Floyd did not resist arrest before death

George Floyd's friend says he did not resist arrest before death
George Floyd tried to defuse the situation and was not resisting in any way before a Minneapolis cop pressed a knee into his neck shortly before he died, a friend who was in the slain man’s car said in an interview.

“He was, from the beginning, trying in his humblest form to show he was not resisting in no form or way,” Maurice Lester Hall told the New York Times.

“I could hear him pleading, ‘Please, officer, what’s all this for?’” Hall told the Times on Wednesday night. “He was just crying out at that time for anyone to help because he was dying.”

He added: “I’m going to always remember seeing the fear in Floyd’s face because he’s such a king. That’s what sticks with me, seeing a grown man cry, before seeing a grown man die.”



This guy uses the wrong statistic to manipulate you. Black people arnt 2.5 times more likely to be killed by a cop than white people, that's comparing death by cops vs population. If you compared the deaths by cops to run ins with the police than you get 3 black people are killed for every 10,000 arrested for violent crimes. Among whites its 4 killed for every 10,000 arrested for violent crimes. White people get killed more often.

Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

The Myth of Systemic Police Racism - WSJ
 
Thanks, Bhodi. I really appreciate that, and even at my semi-advanced age, I would still kick you butt in those waters and experience less shrinkage. :lol: :peace

Your masculine endowment is well known in these lands... and mere freezing water would do nothing to deter your prestige.



But unless you are still dropping in on 10 footers you best be backing off... ;)
 
Your masculine endowment is well known in these lands... and mere freezing water would do nothing to deter your prestige.



But unless you are still dropping in on 10 footers you best be backing off... ;)

'10 footers"....Pfffft! rookie stuff. I do back flips in those. Down side is I have to struggle with all of my might to grasp a breath for the next 20 footer.
 
'10 footers"....Pfffft! rookie stuff. I do back flips in those. Down side is I have to struggle with all of my might to grasp a breath for the next 20 footer.




This is where I body surfed... The Wedge. Newport Beach, CA.


We were some of the first to go big here... 20-30 footers... Shore break.

The Wedge Crew and Co.... the first to tackle the Wedge seriously. We would body surf there, or 15th Street, then go mountain biking in Big Bear or Rock Climbing at Joshua Tree, etc... great times.

Now I am stuck in this dump....
 
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All they have to do is assign black cops to the black neighborhoods.

There is a black Virginia Beach cop that frequents this forum almost every day. I know this because we are pretty close friends even if we don't hang out as much these days. He will not post on here or on any media.

My friend is assigned to precinct that is close a mostly black populated neighborhood here at the beach and he has had 16 complaints filed over 4 1/2 years. Not one complaint was ever validated, and most were just flat out lies.

If you really think that having black cops patrolling black neighborhoods is the answer just because you think the folks have more trust in black cops, then you are sadly mistaken.
 



This is where I body surfed... The Wedge. Newport Beach, CA.


We were some of the first to go big here... 20-30 footers... Shore break.

The Wedge Crew and Co.... the first to tackle the Wedge seriously. We would body surf there, or 15th Street, then go mountain biking in Big Bear or Rock Climbing at Joshua Tree, etc... great times.

Now I am stuck in this dump....


I'm familiar withe the famous 'Wedge.' If you've navigated that bad boy, you're most certainly one bad boy yourself. Kudos, Bhodimeister.
 
I'm familiar withe the famous 'Wedge.' If you've navigated that bad boy, you're most certainly one bad boy yourself. Kudos, Bhodimeister.

Yeah... for years me and a few of my guys were Wedge Locals... lived on 15th Street down from D Rodman. Lots of parties.
 
Yeah... for years me and a few of my guys were Wedge Locals... lived on 15th Street down from D Rodman. Lots of parties.

Well, having been a body surfer myself, albeit hanging on to a ski rope on a huge lake, and having been a boxer for two decades plus, I know for a fact you don't mess with the 'Wedge' unless those abs are good and tight. And, since I just noticed we are in a themed thread, and talking about anything and everything, but the thread topic, I think it best we take our convo elsewhere, lest the powers that be tell us to get a room, or worse. :lol: Been nice chatting, Bhodi.At least we displayed some civility. Peace.
 
Well, having been a body surfer myself, albeit hanging on to a ski rope on a huge lake, and having been a boxer for two decades plus, I know for a fact you don't mess with the 'Wedge' unless those abs are good and tight. And, since I just noticed we are in a themed thread, and talking about anything and everything, but the thread topic, I think it best we take our convo elsewhere, lest the powers that be tell us to get a room, or worse. :lol: Been nice chatting, Bhodi.At least we displayed some civility. Peace.

Cheers mate... at the end of the day civility and bonding is what matters... In time I would like to hear where you body surfed though.
 
Cheers mate... at the end of the day civility and bonding is what matters... In time I would like to hear where you body surfed though.

Mostly on Lake Texoma on the OK/Tex. state line. My folks had a nice cabin there since I was a little kid. Turned it over to me when I was 15 1/2, after I got my driver's permit,, as most of the family had tired of the lake thing, except myself and my younger brother.. You can google it for more info...later..
 
It happens as many times as is shown by public record, so the moment you say "maybe" this turns into "Simpletruther's OPINION" as to how often it happens.

You might as well try saying that George Floyd’s death was ‘staged’ to hurt Trump as part of a mind control experiment. :lamo

Yea there is a public record, and it seems at most 3 or 4, though some situations are disputable or ambiguous.

A few borderline cases always come down to opinion.

But the general number is incredibly low thst isn’t opinion. The exact number might be opinion.

Nearly everyone agreed Floyd was murdered. And he would have been charged, the protests were pointless.
 
This guy uses the wrong statistic to manipulate you. Black people arnt 2.5 times more likely to be killed by a cop than white people, that's comparing death by cops vs population. If you compared the deaths by cops to run ins with the police than you get 3 black people are killed for every 10,000 arrested for violent crimes. Among whites its 4 killed for every 10,000 arrested for violent crimes. White people get killed more often.

Yep, the actual statistics point to cops treating blacks with special care, probably out of fear of being labeled s racist if a mistake happens. Whites are abused more.
 
Not sure if the if the courts would let it pass, but given blacks get special treatment, it might.

I would love to see some of these big cities with racial problems go to That. No more blaming Whitey police for their problems then. I doubt things would improve as far as crime or abuse goes, but it might at least help race relations as blacks see maybe it wasn’t such a race thing and the media has been fooling them.

I doubt dem politicians, governors, mayors would go for it at all, because of this. It wouldn’t Change anything, and and would take away their scapegoats and boogie men for their problems.
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"...blacks get special treatment...". Yeah, we noticed that from all the American blacks murdered by cops. The Nazis used the same 'special treatment' appellation for Jews heading for extermination camps.
 
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